Beepster
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At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
If it is working well enough for basic stuff with minimal crashes I might install it tonight or tomorrow. Cheers.
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 16:47:39
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X1 was a nightmare for me.......
X2 has been running now on heavy use for 48 hours of studio time with one very small crash.
X1 would crash on me on a regular basis.
If you read through this forum tho, many people are having issues with X2... I however am not one of them.
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 16:52:27
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@Markyzno... Thanks for the input. Yeah there seem to be various issues but they seem to be more power user issues. I'm hoping just running it for basic recording and editing it'll outdo X1. X1 tends to do wacky stuff that I think the new audio engine might help and I really want to get my hands on TH2, the take lanes and R-Mix... but not if it's gonna impede my learning curve. Cheers.
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 17:00:31
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No. X1 was very stable for me from the first day. X2 is stable but not so much. It has some teething problems that need to be sorted out. Its still a great first release though.
However all my remarks about X2 have to be viewed through the fact that I am on Vista 64 bit.
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 17:00:38
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I think you'll be fine then. Like I say, I'm a "power User" but have no issues. The thing you will love is the continuity in workflow in X2.... It makes X1 look like a hand job given by barbed wire (Ouch!) Take Lanes have had some criticism from other threads but I have found them a joy, also R-Mix has been great and I dont know what they have done to the audio engine but my processors are quite happy with 12 synths, **** loads of Plugs, Busses, Midi etc etc etc (so around about a 40 track project) X2 is ALL about better editing. Beepster
@Markyzno... Thanks for the input. Yeah there seem to be various issues but they seem to be more power user issues. I'm hoping just running it for basic recording and editing it'll outdo X1. X1 tends to do wacky stuff that I think the new audio engine might help and I really want to get my hands on TH2, the take lanes and R-Mix... but not if it's gonna impede my learning curve. Cheers.
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StarTekh
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 17:02:48
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Its a lott more stable and easy to work on !! In order for it to be this responsive, they had to real'y work on the Audio Engine !! and do remember every ones system here is different os/parts/setup !!
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 17:02:54
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BE ADVISED: When I installed X2 it permanently corrupted my installation of X1. Now I can't go back to what once worked for me. Be careful.
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Beepster
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 17:12:04
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Great info, guys. This is exactly what I wanted. I'll be making a full system image on my E drive before installing so I can just go back (hopefully) if it screws up my computer. Also truncated specs are: i7 2600k, 16GB DDR3 Corsair Vengeance, 500GB/1TB Caviar Black 7200 6.0 drives, 700W PSU, ASUS Pro Gen3 MOBO, Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and I'm running Win7 Pro. Cheers.
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 17:13:50
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And, John... when the heck are you gonna join the Win7 crowd, buddy? You'll love it!
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 17:23:37
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"No. X1 was very stable for me from the first day. X2 is stable but not so much. It has some teething problems that need to be sorted out."
This is my experience too. win7/64bit
post edited by backwoods - 2012/09/23 17:32:07
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 17:30:27
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Running on a test rig very stable so far 64 bit windows 7. I feel plugins are the main issue with daws. Some are well crafted other not so good.
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 17:34:03
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Star, care to elaborate on corruption of X1. I was going to post that exact question, but came across this first, I have 8.5.3 Prodx64, X1d Expandedx64, all on same machine, and was going to put X2 right along with them. Now, a little worried, because X1 is stablw as hell, and has been since d! Looks like I need to spend a few hours going through posts, thanks for heads up!
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 17:35:50
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That's a good point, fitzj. The only plugs I'm using are Sonar plugs with the exception of GR5 and BFD Eco so hopefully that will help keep any wackiness at bay. Cheers.
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gray36
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 17:43:04
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Beepster, maybe you can save me a few hours, have you seen any other major problems with people loading X2 along with X1 Producer? I haven't been on for a few days, so kinda out of touch with the majority of what users are saying. I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks!
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Beepster
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 17:51:33
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@gray... There have been mixed reports (I've been scouring the forum since its release) but most don't seem to really apply to what I'm doing right now. Just little glitches that sound more like nuisances than anything else but a couple of people seem to have had a couple of catastrophes but probably due to their systems or how they went about their installs. I will be running it alongside X1 until I completely wipe the system (probably in a few months). I just don't want to go through the hassle of installing if there are any major show stoppers at the basic level. To me it sounds like everything will be fine but I wanted to double check before moving forward. In other news I just blasted out my ears will trying to get a final mix on my project. I was moving my trackball unit around on my desk and one of the buttons got hit by my keyboard which apparently decided to crank the volume on my piercing lead guitar track. Right before mixdown and mastering. I am not having a very good day.
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StarTekh
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 17:52:55
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gary36 and others we can talk/chatt afer dinner 6.pm here
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John
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 18:06:09
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Beepster
And, John... when the heck are you gonna join the Win7 crowd, buddy? You'll love it!
Never! Win 7 would offer nothing to me. I may go with win 8 though.
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 18:20:06
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@John... Duuuuuuuuude, let Win8 mature (or flop). Win7 Home and Pro will be supported through to 2018 and is tried and true. Then if 8 gets it's act together you have an easy upgrade path but if it flounders you won't be stuck with it and can move on to whatever MS releases to replace it. You're gonna need something before the first X2 patch methinks. I saw the bakers talking about how the current version of X2 will be fine for XP and Vista but as soon as they implement the touchscreen stuff it might bug right out on both OSs (please folks don't quote me on that it is just what I've gleaned from what they've said on the forum and may not be reality). Win 7 however is supported so you'd be safe on both the OS and Sonar fronts. I'm sure you've heard the Win7 arguments to the point of obnoxiousness at this point though but I'd hate to see you stuck. Anyway... finally got a mix I can master. Might be up on the songs forum later if all goes well. Cheers.
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 18:24:37
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Beepster, maybe you can save me a few hours, have you seen any other major problems with people loading X2 along with X1 Producer? I haven't been on for a few days, so kinda out of touch with the majority of what users are saying. I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks!
I am not sure how a corruption could happen. I have 8.5 Pro, X1 Ex d and X2 Pro all on the same machine. I did have X1 LE on it too but deleted it before I installed X2 I also deleted my 32 bit X1. Never used it except once. There was a post with X1 some time back where it was said their 8.5 install was messed up by the X1 install. Few if any others had that problem. I wonder what the person reporting a messed up X1 after an X2 install did to cause it. Its not impossible but I have been adding versions for as long as Sonar's been around and never had an issue. Also because they always install in their own directory unless you make them do otherwise its hard to see how one install could effect the other. For me X1 is the more stable so far yet X2 is very close to it.
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 18:24:59
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Never say Never !! the floor is open, no hardware support. you want hardware support irc.freenode.com ##Hardware
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 18:38:58
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Beepster
@John... Duuuuuuuuude, let Win8 mature (or flop). Win7 Home and Pro will be supported through to 2018 and is tried and true. Then if 8 gets it's act together you have an easy upgrade path but if it flounders you won't be stuck with it and can move on to whatever MS releases to replace it. You're gonna need something before the first X2 patch methinks. I saw the bakers talking about how the current version of X2 will be fine for XP and Vista but as soon as they implement the touchscreen stuff it might bug right out on both OSs (please folks don't quote me on that it is just what I've gleaned from what they've said on the forum and may not be reality). Win 7 however is supported so you'd be safe on both the OS and Sonar fronts. I'm sure you've heard the Win7 arguments to the point of obnoxiousness at this point though but I'd hate to see you stuck. Anyway... finally got a mix I can master. Might be up on the songs forum later if all goes well. Cheers.
Beep I truly appreciate the concern you express. Believe me when I say I do know what I am doing. No matter what you may have heard or read or even seen for yourself, Vista is a a great OS. My only issue is the premature loss of support its getting. When you and other talk about Win 7 being good I believe you. I have run it but for me it did nothing more than I got with Vista. I know few understand that but it is a fact. Really the two OS's are nearly identical. Actually with Win 7 you actually loose things that came in Vista Ultimate. I will grant the performance may be marginally better in Win 7. But for me its simply not worth the upgrade to receive little in return. Win 8 is nearly out and the way I have my system setup changing an OS is as simpl as popping in a new HD using drive drawers. My system drive is in front in a removable drive using a drawer with a cradle. I run XP Linux and Vista. I have 5 HDs on the system. and 3 HDs in drawer cradles.
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 18:48:49
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StarTekh
Never say Never !! the floor is open, no hardware support. you want hardware support irc.freenode.com ##Hardware
Did you know that Vista works with win 7 drivers? In fact its Vista that changed the driver types. Win 7 uses Vista drivers or a case could be made that it does. All the drivers I am running at present are Vista and Win 7 compatible. Now Win 8 may require different drivers. Though it worked with my Vista drivers.
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 18:50:59
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Like John, X1d has been pretty dang stable for me. I've already had two hangups with X2 doin nothing more than inserting or deleting an effect and trying to close the console view.
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Keysman
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 18:51:06
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As 2 still seems to have the same console and track jumping problems as X1, I would say its about the same...maybe after a release or two we will see these kind of things worked completely out.
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Taurean Mixing
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 18:54:00
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X1d was a rock for me...X2, some new issues
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Beepster
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 18:56:20
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Oh yeah I know you know what you're doing and as much as I rag on Vista I realize that it was the early releases that were the problem (I had to suffer through them at work and that's where my displeasure came from) and it did eventually become an extremely powerful and stable OS... but by then the name had been sullied in the consumers minds. Thus Win 7 getting pushed through and Vista support now being dropped well before its time. There just aren't enough people using it to make it worth coding to. Win7 obviously would not have been possible without Vista and I do believe you when you say it rocks out. The problem is it just ain't gonna be supported anymore and will probably just turn into a nuisance. I've seen good and bad reports in regards to Win8 and Sonar but I'm a very cautious fellow when it comes to computer stuff. It seems if I try to be even the slightest bit adventurous in my tech choices something screws up (thus this thread). I waited a goooood long time before dropping my beloved XP and I can say 7 really has stacked up quite well (however I do still like most of XP better because it's just easier to use to me). Just don't want to see my buddy get stuck with MSs latest experiment if it goes awry. Anyway I'm just rambling while I give my ears a rest before doing a quick master on my poopy project so don't mind me. I'm sure you have everything under control. Cheers, dude. ;-)
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StarTekh
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 18:57:08
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John: I totaly skip'd Vista and went to win 7. and from here im sure glad i did !! now Win 2000 was a os !
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jbow
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 18:57:23
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I think you will have a much better shot at stability if you stay all 64bit, including and especially all VSTs. I could be wrong but I think it makes a difference. Perhaps all 32 bit works as well, I don't know.
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 18:58:53
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Wayyyyy more stable. I am actually using this daw more than I used to. I feel like I don't have to worry as much about a crash. Thank you cakewalk. I knew you could do it.
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 18:59:38
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I must say I agree with John regarding Vista.
I still have a Vista partition on my studio PC along with, XP and Win 7 HDD. VISTA Ultimate x64 SP2 gets better DPC than either of the other OS and SONAR running under VISTA is much smoother. I only ended up going to Win 7 for a greater degree of future proofing not because of any performance issues.
I haven't installed X2 on that PC and not likely to as I'm without a studio or permanent home at the moment so stuck with laptop only. But guys don't be so quick to dismiss ViSTA. Once SP2 came out it was every bit that Win7 became.
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