Audio Interfaces: Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 or Steinberg UR44?

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Audio Interfaces: Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 or Steinberg UR44?

I have avoided computer-based recording because I try to keep 90% of my recording time focused on the music, versus the gear. I have been happy with the Tascam 2488 neo integrated hard disk recorder/mixer. I want to dip my toe in Sonar, mostly to be able to more easily collaborate with other musicians, mixing in drum and keyboard tracks recorded by others. 
 
I'm looking at the Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite 6i6 and Steinberg UR44 interfaces. Any opinions on which one might sound best or be most hassle free with Sonar? 
 
One advantage of the Tascam unit is that it comes with Sonar LE, so I could try the software and upgrade at at discount if I like it, or return the unit within 30 days if I don't like the software or the unit. 
 
Is there any benefit to Tascam and Sonar being in the same corporate family, in terms of drivers that are kept up to date, etc.?
 
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    Re: Audio Interfaces: Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 or Steinberg UR44? 2015/06/09 14:28:09 (permalink)
    I'm happy with the 6i6.  Just saying.
     
    Its a well built and supported piece of kit.

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    Re: Audio Interfaces: Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 or Steinberg UR44? 2015/06/09 15:02:20 (permalink)
    I am switching my PC DAW audio i/f from a PreSonus 44VSL to a Tascam US-16x08 (arriving tomorrow). I could never get the 44VSL driver to play nicely with my iLok. I arrived at the Tascam decision before I knew that it was part of the same family as Cakewalk. Yes, it has great mic preamps. Yes, it's a well-built piece of kit. But the primary reason I picked Tascam was that they moved their driver development back in-house, at least for their new lines, like the US-XXxXX audio i/fs. PreSonus haven't updated the drivers for the VSL i/fs in over a year, in the face of numerous complaints and documented bugs and mal-behaviors. They have been totally silent, hanging their forums mods out to dry.
     
    When I buy a piece of kit that I plan to give significant use over an extended period of time, I need to know that the supplier is on my side, vis-a-vis my beneficial use of their product. I'm buying the company as well as the product.
     
    But that's just me. And I'm nowhere close to perfect.

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    Re: Audio Interfaces: Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 or Steinberg UR44? 2015/06/09 15:41:44 (permalink)
    My vote goes to Focusrite. I have had a VS-100, and a Tascam 2x2, as well as a Toneport UX2. I had issues with both the Roland and The Line 6. The Tascam was ok, but I like the way Focusrite thinks...and works.

     
     
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    Re: Audio Interfaces: Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 or Steinberg UR44? 2015/06/09 18:46:23 (permalink)
    I'm very happy as well with my Focusrite 6i6
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    Re: Audio Interfaces: Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 or Steinberg UR44? 2015/06/09 18:52:20 (permalink)
    Another happy Focusrite customer here (18i6). However it seems good things are starting to happen at Tascam again... or so the rumors go.
     
    Still Focusrite makes good gear with good support for a good price. Can't miss.
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    Re: Audio Interfaces: Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 or Steinberg UR44? 2015/06/09 20:36:52 (permalink)
     
    I like the Steinberg UR-44.  The Yamaha preamps are nice sounding and the inboard DSP is really convenient for me on vocal mikes.  It was easy to set up.  No glitches or instability.  I've never tried Focusrite, but I certainly would not attempt to override the consistent high marks their products receive on this forum.
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    Re: Audio Interfaces: Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 or Steinberg UR44? 2015/06/09 21:28:12 (permalink)
    I have a 6i6 and it's great. But I also have an older Tascam and since they updated the drivers last Dec it's working better than ever. The Scarlett still has better drivers overall but I think the new TAscams are working out top shelf.
    That deal with Sonar LE is well worth it. That is how I got my upgrade to X3 studio for only $99. LE came with my Roland A 49. LE is so basic it is not a great way to try Sonar. Your better off paying a monthly fee as there seems to be no demo for Sonar anymore, and I would try Artist or Professional first. LE doesn't come with very good soft synths. It's only good point is it's value as an upgrade pathway. 

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    Re: Audio Interfaces: Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 or Steinberg UR44? 2015/06/09 22:13:04 (permalink)
    I've reviewed a ton of interfaces over the years. I'm currently using the TASCAM US-4x4, which replaced the audio part of the V-Studio. I was having lots of instability issues with the V-Studio and because I had access to the TASCAM to try out (hey, it's a Gibson Brand), I gave it a shot. I was extremely impressed with the mic preamps and also appreciated that it had a MIDI 5-pin DIN connector. 
     
    I then did some tests to see if the specs matched what I thought I was hearing. The results of those tests are here, and speak for themselves. Note that these are real-world specs - I tested noise with the mic pres up, ditto crosstalk.
     
    Of course, Focusrite makes fine interfaces and every one I've tested over the years worked well. The only issue I ran into was that with the USB interfaces, the +48V phantom power measured around +35V on two units I tested. It appears to remain a problem as someone from Gibson tested one on the floor at a GC, and it was still +35V. However, virtually all condenser mics work fine with +35V so I don't think it's a significant issue.
     
    Some people find the Focusrite mixer applets confusing because there are quite a few mixing and routing options. The TASCAM applet is extremely bare bones - no internal mixer or DSP, just output routing and sample buffers. I was told by TASCAM all the parts cost went into the discrete mic pres, and I believe them. However, they're all Class A which means that USB does not provide enough power to the unit. It requires using an AC adapter so bear that in mind if you expect to be the 4x4 in a portable application involving a laptop.
     
    I've also used the Octa-Capture and really liked the mixer applet, the fact that it could expand the V-Studio, and the auto-level set function (which I think is great). Although quite a few people in these forums have reported stability issues, it worked fine for me as long as I kept on top of the latest drivers.
     

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    Re: Audio Interfaces: Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 or Steinberg UR44? 2015/06/09 23:01:08 (permalink)
    The Steinberg UR44 is a great value. I switched from a Roland Quad Capture in order to get more inputs and UR44 surprised me with all the other things it does.
     
    Two headphone outs that can be mixed individually, Independent main volume, not connected to phones. Phantom can be activated on 2 or 4 inputs independently. Hardware DSP that integrates into the included plug ins. Software mixer for the interface and 4 amp sims in hardware and as plugs.
     
    It also comes with a light version of Cubase but if you use Cubase it does offer some amount of integration into the DAW. It also works great with Sonar.

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    Re: Audio Interfaces: Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 or Steinberg UR44? 2015/06/10 09:44:40 (permalink)
    Almost any modern interface will work fine.  There isn't that much difference in preamp or converter components in the same price range.  The biggest differential has to do w/ your computer and interactions w/ the interface drivers.  99% of the time everything is fine w/ out of the box, but if you are the unlucky 1% it is nice to have a retailer that will let you exchange the hardware - no questions asked.
     
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    Re: Audio Interfaces: Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 or Steinberg UR44? 2015/06/10 15:46:18 (permalink)
    Focusrite works great under Linux. That is normally a guarantee for the endless support in the future as well as no general mistakes in the hardware design. I have no experience with other mentioned interfaces.

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    Re: Audio Interfaces: Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 or Steinberg UR44? 2015/06/10 17:36:33 (permalink)
    I like the UR44 a lot. Focusrite seems like a good choice as well.
    The UR44 has great preamps, four mic inputs, lots of outputs, records up to 192K, will do re-amping well, works with my PC and iPad, works well with Sonar and Studio One. The list goes on...

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    Re: Audio Interfaces: Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 or Steinberg UR44? 2015/06/10 17:43:53 (permalink)
    One thing I like with the Focusrite is that you get a free version of Live Lite which gives you a cheap upgrade price. Perhaps there are other ways to get that same price, though.
     

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    Re: Audio Interfaces: Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 or Steinberg UR44? 2015/06/10 17:52:07 (permalink)
    do any of these offer 'latency free' monitoring?
     
     

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    Re: Audio Interfaces: Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 or Steinberg UR44? 2015/06/10 23:17:39 (permalink)
    UR44 uses a mixer that lets you dial in source vs. DAW. I rarely use it for source because I am getting a fast response thru the DAW. With the mixer, I can use the built in EFX to play along with YouTube videos. Sounds great.

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    Re: Audio Interfaces: Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 or Steinberg UR44? 2015/06/11 11:35:43 (permalink)
    Thanks everyone for the great advice. It sounds like all three devices are quite good and are being used successfully with Sonar. 
     
    AT mentioned the value of buying from a retailer who has a hassle-free returns policy. Which retailers are the best in terms of returns and general support?
     
    thanks again,
     
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    Re: Audio Interfaces: Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 or Steinberg UR44? 2015/06/11 13:12:22 (permalink)
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    AT mentioned the value of buying from a retailer who has a hassle-free returns policy. Which retailers are the best in terms of returns and general support?

    I like Sweetwater the best. On Amazon, you have to be careful which vendor you select from those available for any given product. Dealing with Sweetwater directly has worked great for me. Unless Musician's Friend has a killer price (like the Stupid Deal I got on the US-16x08), I stick with Sweetwater.

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    Re: Audio Interfaces: Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 or Steinberg UR44? 2015/06/11 13:44:37 (permalink)
    Sweetwater.
     
    Remember they have a 2 year warranty. Most others only have a 1 year.
    http://www.sweetwater.com/about/warranty/
     

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    Re: Audio Interfaces: Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 or Steinberg UR44? 2015/06/11 13:52:34 (permalink)
    Sweetwater. Remember that they have a 2 year warranty instead of just the 1 year manufacturer's warranty. Check that out:
    http://www.sweetwater.com/about/warranty/
     

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    Re: Audio Interfaces: Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 or Steinberg UR44? 2015/06/12 01:51:53 (permalink)
    To answer Batsbrew's question, I don't think there's any such thing as an new audio interface that doesn't have direct monitoring. 
    It confuses people because direct monitoring gets called zero latency. duh of course it's zero   because its the analog input to your headphones before the A/D then mixed with the offset adjusted output of your DAW.
     
    But, and a big but!  if the drivers are crappy the offset timing is not accurate so therefore the need to always perform a loop back test to see if Sonar and the audio drivers are correctly setting the offset. We have a thread where I invited people to try this. The results were interesting. And it also showed how using anything other than ASIO mode results in tracks not lining up by varying amounts of offset. 
     
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/Lets-all-TEST-our-Interface-driver-for-offset-m3178396.aspx
     
     

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    Re: Audio Interfaces: Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 or Steinberg UR44? 2015/06/12 10:10:01 (permalink)
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    To answer Batsbrew's question, I don't think there's any such thing as an new audio interface that doesn't have direct monitoring. 
    It confuses people because direct monitoring gets called zero latency. duh of course it's zero   because its the analog input to your headphones before the A/D then mixed with the offset adjusted output of your DAW.
     
    But, and a big but!  if the drivers are crappy the offset timing is not accurate so therefore the need to always perform a loop back test to see if Sonar and the audio drivers are correctly setting the offset. We have a thread where I invited people to try this. The results were interesting. And it also showed how using anything other than ASIO mode results in tracks not lining up by varying amounts of offset. 
     
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/Lets-all-TEST-our-Interface-driver-for-offset-m3178396.aspx
     

     
    good to know, clear and concise, thanks.
     

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    Re: Audio Interfaces: Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 or Steinberg UR44? 2015/06/17 02:38:37 (permalink)
    I am looking at these same interfaces, in particular the Focusrite 6i6. I have seen some reports that the driver installation requires all other audio drivers be removed. I want to use the interface with a laptop+Sonar, but I would want the built-in MME audio to be available to use just for playback, so I can rock out at Starbucks while checking email.
     
    Has anyone heard of this limitation?

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    Re: Audio Interfaces: Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 or Steinberg UR44? 2015/06/17 03:25:52 (permalink)
    I have not heard of such a limitation, but ASIO4ALL will cause freaky things to genuine ASIO drivers. I actually run 32-bit Adobe Audition 4 in MME mode side-by-side with SONAR (on a separate set of speakers) quite often without issues. One thing I have noticed (if more than one sound device) is that the default device must be explicitly set while both are on (Windows does not have my Saffire "as default"). Unless that is done, Win(7) will try to hog the Saffire when it comes online, but setting the RealTek as default makes Win7 ignore the Saffire (unless I specifically assign it as default).
     
    That question is probably best sent to Focusrite directly though. Better to get the answer from the horse's mouth, as it were. They typically respond to emails in 24 hours from my experience.

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    Re: Audio Interfaces: Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 or Steinberg UR44? 2015/06/17 13:34:39 (permalink)
    Thanks mettelus. Good info. This forum is almost always faster than the manufacturer, but you're right - I should contact them. The 6i6 is on sale for $210 for a while (Sweetwater). Hate to miss out if it turns out that's the one I want. (BTW, I've never used ASIO4ALL.)

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    Re: Audio Interfaces: Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 or Steinberg UR44? 2015/06/17 21:14:16 (permalink)
    I am on the market for a 4 mic input interface and I have been following this thread. What I really want is the steinberg ur44 because it is the only one with dsp reverb and effects at this price range. It would be great for tracking vocals with reverb send to the singers. It is such a bummer because i live in Malaysia (a very small country) and my retailer say it will 2 weeks wait and I need it next week.

    There is also not a strong and consistent motu and tascam retailer either in my country.

    So I will be off to another shop to get a scarlett 18i8. We do have a shop that speciaize it focusrite, m-audio and uad.

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    Re: Audio Interfaces: Tascam US-4x4, Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 or Steinberg UR44? 2015/06/18 10:29:53 (permalink)
    musichoo,
    that's the one i'm considering as well.
     
     

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