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Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum

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I wanna buy the Avid Artist Mix and Artist Transport to manage Sonar Platinum under Windows 8.1. Anyone who works successfully with this stuff ? Other users reported problems.  
 
 
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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2015/05/12 05:10:48 (permalink)
    Really noone? Maybe in other configurations / EUCON-Hardware? (X3 / Windows 7 etc.)
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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2015/05/12 07:22:13 (permalink)
    I've wondered this myself, they look really nice, but Avid is such a walled garden most of the time it makes me wonder if they're likely to get behind serious support for other DAWs.

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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2015/05/12 07:42:01 (permalink)
    I think you're right and maybe the plugin by azslow3 will help:
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/Download-an-Alternative-to-ACT-MIDI-ControllerGeneric-Surface-Plugins-Here-m3046052.aspx
     
    But I don't buy such expensive stuff and then maybe it will work or maybe not ...
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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2015/05/12 08:09:36 (permalink)
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    Artist Mix is an 8-fader control surface that offers greater speed and control than a mouse when mixing audio in any EUCON-enabled audio or video application

    It requires EUCON-enabled software....

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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2015/05/12 08:56:02 (permalink)
    Karyn: Yes, you´re right. The Artist Mix is no midi-module. My mistake ... So I think the Artist Mix is a no go for Sonar Platinum Users ... sounds bad
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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2015/05/12 09:00:40 (permalink)
    According to the documentation Sonar supports the Euphonix Eucon control protocol. Or is that something entirely different?

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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2015/05/12 09:18:00 (permalink)
    I reviewed the Artist Series several years ago, and it worked fine with SONAR (which does support EUCON). However, I don't know if there have been any changes over the years that broke anything...I can probably borrow a controller to find out.

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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2015/05/12 09:31:04 (permalink)
    Hey Craig,
    that would be very, very nice. I hesitate to buy one, cause other users had problems with this scenario. I need someone, who has an Avid Artist Mix and/or Artist Transport and Sonar Platinum working fine together with all functions under Windows 8.1 (drivers?) and says: yes, it works ...
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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2015/05/12 09:44:39 (permalink)
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    Karyn: Yes, you´re right. The Artist Mix is no midi-module. My mistake ... So I think the Artist Mix is a no go for Sonar Platinum Users ... sounds bad


    Sorry,  I wasn't trying to say it wouldn't work, only that it's not midi like just about every other controller out there and so doesn't come under the standard "If I play with it enough I should be able to get it to work" scenario.
     
    Sonar is EUCON enabled, but I have no idea of compatibility with Avid controllers, or even if there would/should be a compatibility issue..
     
    Get Craig to test one for you

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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2015/05/12 10:30:56 (permalink)
    I do not have any EUCON, but from documentation it should be possible to use EUCON daemon as Mackie translator. That means there will be some "MIDI Ports" which you can connect usual way, and so use MCU plug-in (or other).

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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2015/05/12 10:35:54 (permalink)
    What do you want to do with the control surface?  That is the main question.   Beyond volume  TRANSPORT, faders, pan solo and mute functions, Sonar does not well integrate out of the box.  Prochannel does not work well and you can't get control of modules other than then the first one in the chain./  Maybe they fixed stuff but do not think so.   If you only need basic automation  functions I mentioned above including transport, there are very good and MUCH cheaper alternatives.    None of the major control surface companies offer much for Sonar because they're implementation if non standard (Mackie for one).   I bought a used Tascam FW 1884 and use ONLY the control surface portion and ignore the interface. I got it for under 300 bucks!  It works perfect for the basic functions mentioned above but again there is no integration with Prochannel or deeper functioned.  (as mentioned, maybe Azlow's work is worth checking out but I just don;t have the time to see).  It does need FW though but was easy to set up once you realize u need to use the FW legacy driver.  It is fully touch sensitive and works perfect with Sonars automation writing unlike the cheap Behringer which is NOT touch sensitive and does NOT properly write Sonar automation curves or properly capture the fader movements.
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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2015/05/12 10:42:10 (permalink)
    azslow3: Thanks for your information. Currently I have a Mackie Control Universal. Does it make sense to use your plugin instead of the Cakewalk surface? What is the difference?
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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2015/05/12 11:53:19 (permalink)
    FYI I'm running W7, not 8.1, so there's another variable...

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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2015/05/12 12:46:26 (permalink)
    Ah ok, then the test is not necessary, cause I don't wanna go back, if there is no chance to run the Artist stuff under W8.1. I asked the Avid Support last week, but I got no answer.
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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2015/05/12 13:28:22 (permalink)
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    azslow3: Thanks for your information. Currently I have a Mackie Control Universal. Does it make sense to use your plugin instead of the Cakewalk surface? What is the difference?

    It depends what you want from it and either you are ready to spend some time to make it work.
     
    I do not have MCU and so I can not really test (my own) MCU preset.
     
    The difference is comparable in size with the difference between digital multitrack recorder and a DAW. The first one is stable in what it can do, but in case some functionality is not implemented, you can not add it. With DAW you can do whatever you want, but it can take time to setup everything. AZ Controller is "a DAW" in "multitrack recorder" plug-ins world.
     
    If for example you are interested in controlling ProChannel EQ or ACT, it make sense to give it a try. In case something is not yet working, I can fix that (since that is just a preset, you theoretically can fix/modify it even without my help). The price ($0) and the size (~400kB) are good

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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2016/07/05 13:57:22 (permalink)
    So, whats the latest verdict?
    Does avid artist mix work with sonar platinum or not?
    Anderton, do hou have a chance to try it out (win10)?

    If volume faders, pan knobs, solo/mute and track/bus names showing on controller lcd works out of the box, its enough for me...

    I know x touch is here now but artist mix seems smaller and slimmer size and it seems to have track/bus names on the lcd screens, that seems a nice bonus...
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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2016/07/05 14:55:29 (permalink)
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    So, whats the latest verdict?
    Does avid artist mix work with sonar platinum or not?
    Anderton, do hou have a chance to try it out (win10)?



    I relocated in May and am still setting up my studio, so it will take a while before I have an answer...sorry.

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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2016/07/05 19:56:00 (permalink)
    Here is a proof that the old model works with Sonar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxEhe3M3M2c
    Even the prochannel seem to work
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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2016/07/06 16:31:12 (permalink)
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    So, whats the latest verdict?
    Does avid artist mix work with sonar platinum or not?
    Anderton, do hou have a chance to try it out (win10)?



    I relocated in May and am still setting up my studio, so it will take a while before I have an answer...sorry.


    ah, ok, I can wait a while :), thanks in advance

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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2016/07/09 08:53:02 (permalink)
    Anderton, no stress, I went for the Behringer X-touch instead for now, just got it and basic stuff seems to work so far...
    Thanks anyway

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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2016/07/09 10:04:58 (permalink)
    Thanks for following up, I'm still going to test it out at some point thought because this question pops up periodically...and the Artist Series are classy controllers 

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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2016/07/09 10:17:46 (permalink)
    Yepp, that would be great, thanks :)

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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2016/09/03 00:03:17 (permalink)
    Anybody tried recently ?

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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2016/09/03 08:02:52 (permalink)
    Yes - I use An Artist Mix & control every day & can't live without faders.
    The basic functions work fine ( record enable, faders, mute, solos, automation modes, banking nudging, hot keys etc.)
    Sonar's Eucon support hasn't been updated for a while so there are a number of functions that don't work including Pro Channel. 
    If you want to try it out, get the free Eucon Control app for iPad ( assuming you have an ipad) 
     
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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2016/10/07 23:53:03 (permalink)
    Just noticed this thread tonight.  I had been enjoying an Avid Artist Mix since January of 2014 with Sonar X3 on Windows 7.  Very responsive interface and great to be able to actually touch the faders while you're adding automation to your mix!
     
    I recently upgraded to Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum.  Unfortunately, I cannot seem to get Sonar Platinum to recognize Artist Mix even though the EuControl program is running and is aware of the Artist Mix hardware.
     
    Can anyone offer guidance as to how I can get Sonar Platinum on Windows 10 (64 bit) to recognize the Artist Mix hardware and EuControl service?
     
    Thank you in advance,
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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2016/10/08 16:50:16 (permalink)
    I found a Knowledge Base article on the Eucon SW plug-in for Sonar X1 here: http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013271/EUCON-Control-Surface-Support-for-SONAR-X1
     
    I installed the plug-in.  I am now able to see "Eucon Controller" when I try to add a surface under Edit | Preferences | MIDI Control Surfaces | Control Surface Settings | Controller / Surface dropdown.  However, still no response from the Artist Mix hardware so Sonar is not yet talking to it.  Is there an updated plug-in required for Sonar Platinum?  What am I missing?
     
    Appreciative of any available guidance,
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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2016/10/15 17:25:25 (permalink)
    Community,
    I haven't received any replies to this post and no replies from Cakewalk's Email support.  
    Is there anyone out there that has an Avid Artist Mix working with Sonar Platinum on a Windows 10 environment?
    Wondering if I should sell the Artist Mix and purchase a more compatible surface.
    Any thoughts?
    Thanks,
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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2016/10/15 20:36:13 (permalink)
    I've finally had a chance to sort out various studio thingies, and have been working with the Artist Series Mix all day using 64-bit Windows 10, and 64-bit SONAR Platinum. My experience is basically the same as Synaptic. 
     
    I'm going to work with it a while more and write up a full report of what works, what doesn't work, and what sorta works for next week's Friday's Tip of the Week. Meanwhile, make sure you have the latest version of EuCon control (3.4.1) and that you've updated the firmware. It's working fine here with Windows 10; for Ethernet, I've been going into a switcher and it's been reliable/stable.
     
    I will say this is one of those situations where I thought things weren't working, so I poked around and tried a bunch of different and lo and behold, everything worked. Remember that it does take some time for the controller to recognize your system. 
     
    More to come next week, but not sure I can offer any specific advice on how to get it working with SONAR Platinum. 

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    Re: Avid Artist Series and Sonar Platinum 2016/10/17 23:33:58 (permalink)
    Update: I've been doing a lot of work with this to find out what makes the Artist Series Mix happy. The net is littered with people who have issues with it and Windows/Pro Tools. However, when I power things on in the correct order (router if applicable, controller, computer), and after SONAR has booted, right-click on the EuCon icon in the system tray and choose "Restart EUCON Application," it seems to work reliably. Details/more on Friday when I do the tip. 

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