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BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
Hi, I have been having problems with my BCF2000 in the track EQ mode as explained in this thread:- http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?high=&m=2052355&mpage=1#2053179 FastBikerBoy and Ba_midi have been very helpful in trying to solve this probelm for me. It seems after reading a post about the same issue in Sonar 7 (posted some time ago) that there may be a problem using the BCF2000 in track EQ mode with studio versions of Sonar. Seen here:- http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=1643630&high=bcf2000+eq+mode Can anybody confirm that is using Studio 8.5.3 and BCF2000 that this function is possible before I go down the route of returning the unit as faulty. Many thanks in advance.
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
2010/07/14 05:23:29
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I guess the unit is going to have to go back. Just tried with Sonar 8 producer web trial and still no cigar. I know not what I can do now apart from that.
Oh well.
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
2010/07/14 06:34:53
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I have a BCF 2000 but mostly just use it for levels and with the automation for levels. The first one I got was bad and was returned. The second one worked OK. Have you check Blades web site? He has some setups and info on this unit and what I used to get mine setup and installed http://www.blades85.com/sonar.htm
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
2010/07/14 07:30:44
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Hi Firebird,
Yeah I have checked his website. It's great, however everything works fine, apart from track EQ, In my other thread there was extensive investigation done by myself anf Fastbikerboy, who has masses of experience with the BCF and has written a guide on how to use it in Mackie mode...link in my last thread. we thought it might have been a Studio/PE issue, but alas from my post above you can see that its not.
Nevermind I will just return it and see what happens then.
Thanks for taking the time to post though...appreciated.
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
2010/07/14 07:50:22
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STinGA
Hi Firebird,
Yeah I have checked his website. It's great, however everything works fine, apart from track EQ, In my other thread there was extensive investigation done by myself anf Fastbikerboy, who has masses of experience with the BCF and has written a guide on how to use it in Mackie mode...link in my last thread. we thought it might have been a Studio/PE issue, but alas from my post above you can see that its not.
Nevermind I will just return it and see what happens then.
Thanks for taking the time to post though...appreciated.
Stinga, let me suggest one other thing that helped my unit greatly when I first got it. I re-flashed the bios, so to speak. IOW, I reloaded the firmware update (Behringer have a utility for doing so). And the problems I had, coupled with my turning sysex back on in Sonar, solved every issue I had. It's worth a shot.
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
2010/07/14 08:14:58
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...I shall away now and try.
Thanks Billy.
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
2010/07/14 08:28:59
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Sadly no joy.....but was worth a try
Thanks again.
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
2010/07/14 08:53:34
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STinGA
Sadly no joy.....but was worth a try
Thanks again.
Have you contacted Behringer?
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
2010/07/14 10:53:48
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I would just return it, as he plans on doing. As I mentioned the first one I got did not work, but the second works good.
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
2010/07/14 13:04:09
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Yeah spoken to the store they have a replacement for me to collect tomorrow....sadly a 40 mile trip. Hey ho, win some loose some :-)
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
2010/07/14 13:43:05
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STinGA
Yeah spoken to the store they have a replacement for me to collect tomorrow....sadly a 40 mile trip. Hey ho, win some loose some :-)
Good luck STinGA
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
2010/07/14 13:54:51
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Thanks Billy, and thanks everyone for your help on this .....fingers crossed!
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
2010/07/15 07:02:33
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Ok,
So now I really am confused. I have my new unit, and STILL no track EQ control. The same thing happens as soon as I hit F1, the faders shoot to the bottom, if i move them 2 secs later they shoot to the bottom again, BCF view still saying no plugin. UGHHHH, its such a small thing....BUT it should work.
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
2010/07/15 11:45:56
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STinGA
Ok,
So now I really am confused. I have my new unit, and STILL no track EQ control. The same thing happens as soon as I hit F1, the faders shoot to the bottom, if i move them 2 secs later they shoot to the bottom again, BCF view still saying no plugin. UGHHHH, its such a small thing....BUT it should work.
Hmm, there's gotta be something I'm not getting here. I doubt one would get 2 bad units in a row (though anything is possible). Is there anyway you can do a screen shot to show us what you see? Maybe it's something simple, like not having the EQ GUI in focus/open, or something like that. The faders shooting to the bottom means the BCF is getting some type of feedback from Sonar where it sees -inf as the setting, so there is communication there.
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
2010/07/15 12:27:15
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Yup very unlikely that two have the same problem, although........
Sure I can do some shots I will have to do it tomorrow, what would be helpful?
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
2010/07/15 12:28:47
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Did you completely uninstall the legacy drivers? If you check back at the other thread I posted the driver info you should see in the device manager.
The legacy drivers really need removing from your Windows/System32/DriverStore folder. That's the location where installers put the drivers so windows can find them. When the drivers are un-installed the drivers remain in the Windows/System32/DriverStore folder but become 'unknown' to the system.
So when you install the Behringer drivers they too get put into the Windows/System32/DriverStore folder for windows to find when it installs the BCF. There is a chance that Windows is picking up the older drivers rather than the Behringer ones.
Deleting drivers from the Windows/System32/DriverStore folder is not recommended though (Microsoft's words not mine) so I would check the device manager for driver info and only delete the older drivers from the Windows/System32/DriverStore folder if the Behringer one's aren't being installed.
I agree with ba_midi it's extremely unlikely that you have 2 dodgy units on the trot, plus the fact that you are getting a brief message about 'no plugin' and fader movement suggests that Sonar & the BCF are communicating, just not the right info.
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
2010/07/15 13:08:04
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Hi again FBB,
Yup I checked the driver info, it was and is identical to yours.... however, I haven't deleted the legacy ones from the Sys 32 folder. Is there anyway the two could still be interfering with each other even though it says in device mangager that it is using the behringer ones?
This is going to be someting really simple isn't .....I hope i can get it fixed...It's really bugging me now!
Thanks again.
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
2010/07/15 13:15:21
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STinGA
Yup very unlikely that two have the same problem, although........
Sure I can do some shots I will have to do it tomorrow, what would be helpful?
I think seeing the state of your main screen (I assume Track view?) would be helpful -- but it should be like a snapshot of it when you get the "missing plugin" message.
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
2010/07/15 13:40:55
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I wouldn't go deleting the other drivers then. If you have the correct driver installed that's not the issue. As suggested a screenshot may be useful. I think the other thing is a detailed description of exactly what happens when selecting the EQ. Forgive me if we're going over old ground here, I can't remember exactly where we were at. For example what does the virtual LED display after the first press of EQ, 2nd press and 3rd? TBH I'm really racking my brains here for something small & obvious. One of those DOH!! moments. 
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
2010/07/15 16:13:59
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TBH I'm really racking my brains here for something small & obvious. One of those DOH!! moments. That's why I think a screen shot - and as you suggest a detailed procedure to recreate the condtion - would be invaluable.
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
2010/07/15 16:15:03
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STinGA,
Maybe you said this and I missed it, but do you have the Sonitus EQ open (GUI showing) and in focus when trying to use the EQ function of the BCF?
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
2010/07/16 02:23:53
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Hi guys,
Yup got sonitus EQ GUI visible and first 4 band activated, just like in Blades video. I will take a screen shot later, only just awake here I guess you are still sleeping Billy, so there is gonna be a time lag on this one anyway.
One Q Billy about the SYSEX thing you mentioned in a previous post. I have tried what I thnik you are talking about in Global options can you go over that bit again with me slow time, just incase.....
Thanks again.
Paul
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
2010/07/16 02:32:16
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STinGA
Hi guys,
Yup got sonitus EQ GUI visible and first 4 band activated, just like in Blades video. I will take a screen shot later, only just awake here I guess you are still sleeping Billy, so there is gonna be a time lag on this one anyway.
One Q Billy about the SYSEX thing you mentioned in a previous post. I have tried what I thnik you are talking about in Global options can you go over that bit again with me slow time, just incase.....
Thanks again.
Paul
Paul, I'm a vampire. My hours are so weird it even fools me lol. I just shut down my DAW for the night, but in the Global options somewhere are the various types of MIDI data that will be recorded, such as aftertouch. In that same set of check boxes is SYSEX. It must be enabled for the BCF to work properly. But here's an easy test: take a track with a wav file (any). Have the BCF setup so that it's FADER 1 is controlling the fader of the wav track (easiest if it's also track 1). Turn on WRITE AUTOMATION by hitting the "W" on the track. Start playback and move the BCF Fader 1. Hit the W again (turn off) when done. You should see the automation being written. If you don't, it's probably due to not having SYSEX in the data stream. That would explain the EQ problem as well. But to be sure, after writing some fader movements, hit stop, rewind and play. The fader should move along with the automation that was written. Can you try that and let me/us know?
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
2010/07/16 02:37:01
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Hi Billy the vampire...... Yup I can say for sure that it works as I was writing track automation just yesterday with it.....It's just that darn track EQ that wont work. Silly isn't it ! PS- now go bite some necks!...or just get some sleep :-)
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
2010/07/16 02:43:04
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STinGA
Hi Billy the vampire......
Yup I can say for sure that it works as I was writing track automation just yesterday with it.....It's just that darn track EQ that wont work. Silly isn't it !
PS- now go bite some necks!...or just get some sleep :-)
Heh, I do intend to get to sleep shortly (after catching up a bit here). Well, I'm a little stumped. I know that not having the Sysex turned on was the problem for me. Everything works as expected. One other questions (for now); Are you 1000% sure you have it in Mackie Control Mode (holding down button 4 when turning it on)? And are you 1000% sure you've chosen the right surface template? When I'm at my DAW tomorrow, I'll get the info and relist my setup here for you to double check. There's gotta be an answer ... and I do suspect it's something in your configuration. Maybe you have some setting that causes the conflict. One example might be an improper setup with two controllers fighting for the same thing, though it may not be likely; I'm just trying to get you to think it through and recheck everything. And, of course, be sure about the sysex as well. (I love a good crime drama lol)
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
2010/07/16 02:48:35
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I will go and re-check everything once I have the wife safely off to work, however I am definately in the correct mode, I'll get as much relevent info as I can too, and post later.
In global options midi the only sysex relevant thing I could find was about sysex, midi echo? or something like that, which is ticked and the BCF selected in the box below..... but like I said, tha automation was working anyway.
We'll get there fo sho.....
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
2010/07/16 02:54:36
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STinGA
I will go and re-check everything once I have the wife safely off to work, however I am definately in the correct mode, I'll get as much relevent info as I can too, and post later.
In global options midi the only sysex relevant thing I could find was about sysex, midi echo? or something like that, which is ticked and the BCF selected in the box below..... but like I said, tha automation was working anyway.
We'll get there fo sho.....
There's another section where you can enable / disable MIDI recording events. There's one for SYSEX, and there's even a field to enter a value for how many SYSEX buffers (which defaults to 64 if I'm remembering correctly). It's the same section for options where you can enable/disable AFTERTOUCH, for example.
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
2010/07/16 02:58:30
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In global options midi the only sysex relevant thing I could find was about sysex, midi echo?
I just checked the Reference Guide. Under GLOBAL OPTIONS->MIDI you should see what I'm referring to with regard to sysex. It's under the RECORD options. ----> • System Exclusive data • Buffers. Choose how many MIDI buffers you want SONAR to use. The default value of 64 works well most of the time. If you experience frequent MIDI overflow from using MIDI plug-ins or lots of Sysx data, try a larger number, such as 128. • Echo System Exclusive. Choose this if you want to echo Sysx data to the MIDI channels shown in the Options > Project dialog box on the MIDI Input tab.
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
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Re:BCF2000 with Sonar Studio 8.5.3
2010/07/16 13:27:39
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