ORIGINAL: jimmyman



hey egevari

I'm glad to know that I am now not a thorn in your side with my comments. I was really starting to wonder about being candid?
You Know? am I being a snotty critic?

I've had more problems like you mention with timing while playing
back or recording than I care to think about.

Here is one example:

I have sonar 8. if i insert the vc64 compressor it delays becuase
thats the way it works. Its meant for a look ahead type of thing to do
its work well. If I have it in the music mix and vocal then its o.k

But if i add it to vocal or music "only" then one or the other is delayed.
How much? i dont know? sounds like about 5 to 10 ms

You asked what made your sytem behave this way?
I go through that too! I sometimes think its my human error
and it is sometimes. But sometimes it aint

It messes with my head.

Another crazy thing is sonar8 is said to be a resourse hog yet I
can sometimes record at a 2 ms lacentcy. It has been on average
a 8 to 20 lacentcy.

From my ears or expereince lacentcy is for playing a vertual instroment
and knowing you'll hear it back a little later. it doesn't apply so mutch
to recording wav tracks.

But again some effects do and will delay the sound

Oh man. I just wish it wouldn't play with my head after a long days
work at the music desk!

The drum timing is intentional. I can obviously go back and re-program it (this is not a real drummer - this is ezdrummer with the nashville kit. I guess it's good that you didn't know!). The off timing with the snare gave it energy and movement and feel to me.

ORIGINAL: jimmyman

Oh my gosh! just listened to it. remarkible but you arent
playing with my head are you? You didnt really upload with
corrected timing but said you did?

Don't make me think I've gone insane over timing.
oh what an improvement.

On the jubject of lots of plugins I've noticed this. on my older
systems before upgrading the computer it would actualy slow down
as the song went on.

Now my computer doesnt sound like its slowing down it just starts choking and poping after about 30 tracks and 50 plugins. I guess i
would too if i were the computor.

Sonars TL 64 compressor will delay the sound no mater what the
drain on the system and some other 64 stuff will too. I think there
for mastering anyway which isn't a timing issue.

If you get a lot of plugins going you know you can "freeze" tracks
right?

I look forward to checking out more of your stuff

Jimmy

ORIGINAL: jimmyman

When you say freeze tracks, do you mean export the track and then import the somewhat-mixed track back into the project? Or does Sonar actually have a feature to do that handily? If so, that would be great! I never knew that!

Lets say you have a track with an eq, comp,verb, chorus this is my
situation because i could have say 30 tracks like this and it gets
to a point where it chokes the computor because of so many plugins.

I think your computor is much more powerfull than mine so you may not have my problem. Still a a usfull tool

but anyway here is what happens when you "freeze". it takes all that
track and mixes it down to itself so the computer is now playing the
wav file instead of processing the plugins too. this gives you more
resourses.

You cant edit the plugins while in freeze mode but you can still change
volume etc.

When ever you like you can unfreeze the track and go back to adjusting the plugins.

Click the track to freeze. clic "tracks" at the minu bar scroll down to freeze and clic it. it writes the whole track down to itself. a little icon
will show up in the track as "frozen"

When you go backup on that same track and clic "track" and drop down
it will now say unfreeze instead of freeze.

If you clic the mouse in an open spot in the tracks view (i dont use
console view much) and then click the go to beginning icon clic it
and then go to Edit/ bounce to tracks it will mix down the whole project to a new mixed track.

you might have to clic an open area a cuople times and rewind cause
it will some times say no files to mix.

I like this because i dont have to mark all the files to mix down.

or you could mark say 4 tracks and bounce them to one and leave
others unbounced.

you can also archive tracks. that just puts em in storage and you can
unarchive too.

Another neat feature is in your master bus you can click an icon there
that shows the mix as if it were allready done.
from left to right theres the M S (the veiw mix icon) RD W

I love that feature. I dont have to mix down to see it as a wav file.
learning to use envilopes is cool too once you get the hang of it.

also say you have a clip 4 bars long on track 1 then another at bar
6 another at bar 15. you can right click the clip and add an effect
just to that clip alone and a little icon shoes up in the clip

you can add as many plugins as you want to that clip alone just
like you can in the track itself

cheers jimmy

ORIGINAL: jayhill

Your guitar playing is always very good.

Keep working on the snare sound. It's a bit in the........"deadzone". Where's the crack? Where are you zoning in on the upper frequencies - to enhance?....I don't think you've found the sweet spot up there....How are you eq'ng it now? with what? tuning?

Snare Reverb - those tails aren't doing much. What verb's you using? - ....predelay?

What's your attack/release on snare comp's?

Also, I can't get a true sense of snare placement...Direct & Early Reflections are messed.

I'm just on headphones - so the list of kick issues I can't comment on right now.

Good music, talent and creativity - you do nice stuff.

Jeff

I'm not being hard on anyone - just pointing out some things for them to think on....

I think he is very talented and has much potential (and I love to hear people's progress)....that's why I comment "straightforwardly".

Jeff