MetalMan
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Backing everything up to be safe?
I've made multiple mistakes in the past few months, and there were times where I wish I would have just taken a few seconds and backed a few things up. Anyway, that being said. I do have an external hard drive and everything is backed up right now. I even went so far today to backup my internal hard drive, and my external hard drive to backup DVD disc incase both of those fail. I use "Acronis True Image" latest version to backup my files and my hard drive. I can't tell you how many times I have backed things up so that I could try other things and then re-installed my computer using this software. I use Windows Vista Home Premium. Anyway I know fully about System Restore With Vista. I don't trust it. Here's my question : "What do you use to backup your computer and music files"? I know you can say "Flash Disc" or "External Hard Drive" : I am talking methods, not just hitting a button? Advice for all who might read please? I feel I've got it covered in the event of lightning hitting my computer or anything : "I have an external backup, I have DVD Seperate Backups of my computer and my external hard drive for backup backed up on DVD DISC also"? Any thoughts on improvement?
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RE: Backing everything up to be safe?
2009/06/25 17:10:47
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I've made multiple mistakes in the past few months, and there were times where I wish I would have just taken a few seconds and backed a few things up.
Anyway, that being said. I do have an external hard drive and everything is backed up right now.
I even went so far today to backup my internal hard drive, and my external hard drive to backup DVD disc incase both of those fail.
I use "Acronis True Image" latest version to backup my files and my hard drive.
I can't tell you how many times I have backed things up so that I could try other things and then re-installed my computer using this software.
I use Windows Vista Home Premium. Anyway I know fully about System Restore With Vista. I don't trust it.
Here's my question : "What do you use to backup your computer and music files"?
I know you can say "Flash Disc" or "External Hard Drive" : I am talking methods, not just hitting a button?
Advice for all who might read please?
I feel I've got it covered in the event of lightning hitting my computer or anything : "I have an external backup, I have DVD Seperate Backups of my computer and my external hard drive for backup backed up on DVD DISC also"? Any thoughts on improvement?
If you are using per project folders backups of Sonar data is very easy. All you have to do is copy one folder and all sub folders to the external drive. If you manage your projects well and always make sure you create them off the same main defalut folder everything will be there. You don't even have to have any fancy "restore" tools to get your stuff back. It's just files. I use a USB drive and also make DVDs to keep off site in case the house burns down.
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MetalMan
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RE: Backing everything up to be safe?
2009/06/25 17:38:17
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I have had a TOTAL and complete crash before. I am talking about that mainly. I mean even with the best protection you can lose everything on your COMPUTER's Hard Drive, and YOUR BACKUP EXTERNAL HARD DRIVE. That's the point I am trying to get across, and ask advice on how to avoid this.
Yeah you can purchase : "Power bars with spike protection and all of that". But Hardware failure in the end will be the demise of any scheme that you come up with IMO......
I believe at this point in time a couple of complete DISC Backups might be the way to go?
Just a few thoughts. I don't use Sonar BTW.
There are a lot of things to think about on backing up. I just don't wanna miss nothing.
Either way thank you for the advice and information. I appreciate it.
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RE: Backing everything up to be safe?
2009/06/25 17:43:05
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I don't back up my whole system, I just do it by SONAR project. I'll just burn a DVD with a few SONAR projects, and just keep my prior DVD where I've backed up the previous projects, rather than backing everything up over and over.
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RE: Backing everything up to be safe?
2009/06/25 17:54:26
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I also use Acronis True Image for my system drive. For my data/music drive, I just do a straight copy of the entire drive to an external eSATA drive. Then I copy the external drive onto another PC. Now I just need to have a off-site archive in case the place burns down.
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MetalMan
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RE: Backing everything up to be safe?
2009/06/26 00:30:09
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I also use Acronis True Image for my system drive. For my data/music drive, I just do a straight copy of the entire drive to an external eSATA drive. Then I copy the external drive onto another PC. Now I just need to have a off-site archive in case the place burns down.
With my virus/spyware/firewall etc... protection I have 2 GB's of free offline protection for files, but the problem is when the subscription runs out then so will my storage space, not very reliable IMO.... Although I do have Windows Live Space to put some stuff. And I know there are tones of free storage places for files online, but there again, what if they decide to stop offering the services, or charging people.... I have made multiple tweaks with my computer over the last year or so, trying to get things just right for recording with my software, I finally got it that way and backed up. That's the main reason I got in the habit of backin everything up. I think I've settled on my OS setup "Windows Vista Home Premium", and settled on the programs that I have installed for now to record with. I have it all backed up in case of emergency on my External HD, and DVD DiSC. I think I am gonna setup the computer to backup only the things that have changed after I record something if I feel it's important. I don't really know how that is gonna work on backing it up to DVD disc also though, I mean this is the first time I have done that, I've always trusted my external Hard Drive for backups. But that being said I did make the mistake a few times of thinking "I have everything backed up to ext. HD, and formatted the hard drive after a few tweaks". I didn't realize at the time or wasn't thinking : "I backed it up 2 hours ago, and I was tired, and the song I recorded in the process after and between that time was totally lost, or the mix anyway". I want do that again. I am thinking now about using a flash drive 8 GB's that I have to save all of my cakewalk masters..... I dunno. I used to think I had it all covered on backing things up, and I thought "Yeah it's just common sense type of things", but when you have hardware failure, time of backup issue's, corrupt data etc....... Nothing is safe. JMO..... That's why I posted this thread was to hear about techniques, I hope it helps, not just me but others also. I mean we are all sometimes just one power surge away from losing everything even with tried and true protection : "Be it powerbar with surge protection or whatever". JMO.... Thanks for the information. I hope and think I got it covered now. But I am always open to advice. Thanks again Bobby
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RE: Backing everything up to be safe?
2009/06/26 06:34:36
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I think your making it harder than what it is.
This is what i do.
1. I back up every session on my external hard drive (using CWP and per project. Never use CWB)
2. When the song is done, i back it up on another external hard drive or DVd, so that i have 2 back-ups. One i keep off site, in case of fire or theft.
3. I use Acronis to do a complete backup every week or after an update or install of new software.
That's all you need to due.
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RE: Backing everything up to be safe?
2009/06/26 12:20:08
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Just a quick note, I have had two 8gig flash drives fail already. Neither had music files, they were both work related (when I was lucky enough to have a job, pre obamanation debacle), huge document files, mostly pdf's. They were stored in a desk drawer, not exposed to anything, never disturbed. But they went completely blank,and nothing was retrievable. Obviously something had to cause this, but I have no idea what.
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RE: Backing everything up to be safe?
2009/06/26 12:58:35
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Just a quick note, I have had two 8gig flash drives fail already. Neither had music files, they were both work related (when I was lucky enough to have a job, pre obamanation debacle), huge document files, mostly pdf's. They were stored in a desk drawer, not exposed to anything, never disturbed. But they went completely blank,and nothing was retrievable. Obviously something had to cause this, but I have no idea what.
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DVDs are turning out to be good for long term storage and you won't be tempted to reuse them.
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RE: Backing everything up to be safe?
2009/06/26 13:47:12
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Buy a Windows Home Server - seriously, it's is the bomb. If you ever blow up your machine or even just want to go back to the day before or last week just insert the bootable CD you make and select the backup on the server via drop down box and go eat dinner. The best part is - it's a delta backup each night so the first time takes an hour or two depending on disk size then every night you are only backing up 10-15 minutes. It's a file based backup as well, so you can 'mount' the backup as a local disk drive and browse through it to grab old files, etc... You can buy an OEM copy at Newegg and other places or buy the whole appliance from HP. I run a Windows Server at my house that runs Hyper-V. I have WHS running in a VM w/ 256MB of RAM and it's backing up 5 machines every night (Windows XP through Windows 7). Seriously, this is a great product...saved my ass twice with laptops that fried. Get a new HDD, connect to WHS, 40 minutes later I'm booting right where I left off... It's basically just a Windows 2003 STD server with WHS components: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116550
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MetalMan
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RE: Backing everything up to be safe?
2009/06/26 15:47:59
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This sounds great. But the problem is, your talking "Spending some big bucks", or spending money to backup your hard drive with. Thanks KenJr - What you are saying sounds like the ultimate backup system. I'm getting a lottery ticket later, maybe I'll get lucky and can afford to set things up this way.  In my case, I have "Acronis True Image latest version, I also have Perfect Image by AvenQuest, but right now Perfect Iamge is not installed or in use to save space - but I should also say that Perfect Image program seems to take forever to back anything up", and that's why. I have an external Hard drive and I have several blank DVD's to backup my files to. I also have a few flash drives. I am sticking with Acronis True Image, it's saved me a lot of times on restores after trying out different programs/tweaks/etc..... Honestly, I think IMO, In my case CJaysMusic pretty much give me the best solution on how to backup my files. I've lost a lot in the last year by piddling around with my computer, not just music but other things. Most backup programs just wanna backup "Pictures/Music Files/Data". This can be a real program if your entire computer fails, even though you have the backups and have a backup of your operating system, if it's a backup from 2 years ago then it is the same as starting from scratch IMO...... Thanks CJaysMusic, I'm going to do what you said you were doing, and you were right, I was making things too complicated. Thanks Albert - You are right on the money when it comes to flash drives the more I think about it. My first one that I ever got just stopped working for no reason at all. I kinda think it mighta been because I didn't plug it in for a while and it may have needed power from time to time, not sure. Thanks ohhey - Man, I would have lost everything before I started getting back into music again on my old XP computer I used to have if it wasn't for DVD backups. When I say that, the operating system when I got it allowed me to make "ONE" set of backup DVD's, after that I couldn't make anymore, I stored them in a safe place, and after a hard drive crash if it wasn't for those disc, I woulda been computerless so to speak. Thanks to everyone for all the information, please keep it coming. Something else, if you have a "RESTORE" or "LOSS OF DATA" story to tell, please do so here so that others can AVOID the same mistake. Thanks again all! Bobby
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RE: Backing everything up to be safe?
2009/06/26 15:50:24
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Are zip drives or floppy disk still a realistic option? I doubt it, the storage space is just too small. I saw one at Office Depot last week and I was looking at the storage size, it was a joke. I guess if you are playing mary had a little lamb with extreme primitive software then it might be. Or older software like a Commodore 64 or Amiga with Dr. T's. Just a few thoughts. Let me hear yours on this?
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RE: Backing everything up to be safe?
2009/06/26 16:05:47
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External hard drives are the way to go. Back up regularly and keep them disconnected from your PC when not in use so that if you get a lightning "hit" the external drive won't get fried too. I always unplug all of my PC's and peripherals from power and modem connections when there is a threat of thunder storms (like today). Gotta go...!
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RE: Backing everything up to be safe?
2009/06/26 16:09:15
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This sounds great. But the problem is, your talking "Spending some big bucks", or spending money to backup your hard drive with. Well, it depends on what it's worth to you. I don't think $100 for software and piecemilling a machine (could probably do one for under a couple hundred bucks) is a lot to spend to save you days or weeks worth of agony should you have to completely reinstall your DAW (or other machines). I use my WHS for not only my DAW but for my wife's laptop, who is a CPA and has all kinds of crap on there I don't want to know about, two of my work laptops and my own personal desktop that I use. You literally install an agent that automagically connects to the server and then you're done. The piece of mind knowing that everything I own is being backed up every night while I sleep is worth the cost of my backup system. Hell, not having to completely rebuild two machines in the past couple months was worth the price of admission. There's a lot more coolness to WHS than just the backup stuff - there's remote access (share files, pics with other folks or even access your desktops via RDP through the WHS web interface), it's a Windows Media Center extender so you can use it to store music and movies and play it all from other windows PC's or XBOX units in your house, etc... It's a great solution and one I obviously highly recommend from experience. Everyone thinks spending money on backup is stupid until they have to recover something. :)
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RE: Backing everything up to be safe?
2009/06/26 16:31:14
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Are zip drives or floppy disk still a realistic option?
I thought you were joking.  I'm surprised they're still around. No, it's not a realistic option. Like many have said, external drives and DVD media.
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RE: Backing everything up to be safe?
2009/06/26 16:45:07
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Honestly, I think IMO, In my case CJaysMusic pretty much give me the best solution on how to backup my files Very cool and i never lost any songs or files to this date using my method Cj
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RE: Backing everything up to be safe?
2009/06/27 02:19:27
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I haven't done this yet myself, but seriously thinking of it - there's heaps of free server space on the net, where you can upload data files to. Obviously do all the usual stuff as well, like external drives, DVD etc.
I'm still putting together my 'Stoojo' website through a free server. I can upload an unlimited amount of files via FTP (there is a fair-use policy obviously)
Something to think about I spose
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MetalMan
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RE: Backing everything up to be safe?
2009/06/28 13:42:31
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ORIGINAL: MetalMan
Are zip drives or floppy disk still a realistic option?
I thought you were joking. I'm surprised they're still around. No, it's not a realistic option. Like many have said, external drives and DVD media.
LOL! I was laughing as I posted that, but you would be surprised at people just starting out with computers that don't know any better, so I thought I needed to throw that one in the mix in this thread to point out what a mistake it is with today's computer. Yeah, I saw a 1.44MB drive at office depot just a few weeks ago. It was USB driven and external. I guess it's good if you are using old computers for something other than recording music. I have an old computer with Windows 2000 on it, of course besides my computer I have now, and a printer, I am thinking of using the old computer for database purposes since I have some nice software for that purpose on that computer, it has a 1.44mb floppy drive already built in, LOL, And I think it's a WHOPPING 8GB Hard drive!!! BUT, I must say it does have 2.0 flash drive support, so...... Ya know..... Nah, It will be a database and that's it.
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RE: Backing everything up to be safe?
2009/06/28 13:44:04
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Honestly, I think IMO, In my case CJaysMusic pretty much give me the best solution on how to backup my files
Very cool and i never lost any songs or files to this date using my method
Cj
Thanks CJ! You said the most logical setup for my computer setup. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a fancy system or nothing like that, and I am only using MC4 as of now, but a lose of a song is like losing some priceless family photo's. Great advice! Thanks again! Bobby
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MetalMan
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RE: Backing everything up to be safe?
2009/06/28 13:50:03
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Rob, I have been wanting to ask you, the stuff I have heard you record just sounds GREAT! What kinda software are you recording it with?
I just saw your computer specs. at the bottom of the screen and was thinking : "WOW! This dude knows what he's doing!".
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RE: Backing everything up to be safe?
2009/06/28 14:04:47
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In addition to the usual recommendations, I also suggest uploading your work to your website storage if you have it.
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RE: Backing everything up to be safe?
2009/06/28 17:28:03
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Norton Ghost - create the image to a second internal HD, then copy that to an external. I've had system crashes where - after correcting the issue - I've been back up and running inside of 10 minutes.
Oh - and I NEVER store my data on the system drive. Always store it on the second internal, regular copies to externals and/or thumbdrives.
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RE: Backing everything up to be safe?
2009/06/28 18:24:06
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Norton Ghost - create the image to a second internal HD, then copy that to an external. I've had system crashes where - after correcting the issue - I've been back up and running inside of 10 minutes.
Oh - and I NEVER store my data on the system drive. Always store it on the second internal, regular copies to externals and/or thumbdrives.
Yes ! I use Ghost at home and at work. Having more then one drive or partition makes it easy and fast to back up your boot drive. I boot to a bootable CD then run Ghost and make my backup to files. Then burn those to DVD and copy them to an external drive. I like to do that before and after each change to the system such as installing new hardware or software. I also do one once a month. I've set all my applications to save their files on my second drive even my e-mail client. So if I have to restore a Ghost of C: I don't lose anything.
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RE: Backing everything up to be safe?
2009/06/28 18:48:24
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Well, it depends on what it's worth to you. I don't think $100 for software and piecemilling a machine (could probably do one for under a couple hundred bucks) is a lot to spend to save you days or weeks worth of agony should you have to completely reinstall your DAW (or other machines). Must check that out - thanks for the tip.
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MetalMan
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RE: Backing everything up to be safe?
2009/06/29 03:17:04
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In addition to the usual recommendations, I also suggest uploading your work to your website storage if you have it.
This is always great advice. The only problem with that is : "If you get out of a Job and can't pay for that space then all is lost, or if the service decides to end all services then you have no say or choice in what happens to your musical files". I know there are free spaces, I would recommend WINDOWS LIVE because for one it's free and second, if it ever goes down then we are all in trouble because most all of us use Windows ya know. JMO...... Just a few thoughts. I am currently unemployed, my stupid idiotic boss decided to go with somebody younger and more stupid , so I am living day to day and that's why I mentioned what might can happen. Sometimes you have to be like macgyver with what you got, and that's the main reason I started this thread : so that everyone could share what/how/what to do if/etc...... This is an excellent suggestion for backing things up! Thank you for the advice, I am just pointing out the what if's because I'm kinda in that what if boat right now as I know a lot of people are also.  Bobby
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MetalMan
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RE: Backing everything up to be safe?
2009/06/29 03:23:20
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Norton Ghost - create the image to a second internal HD, then copy that to an external. I've had system crashes where - after correcting the issue - I've been back up and running inside of 10 minutes.
Oh - and I NEVER store my data on the system drive. Always store it on the second internal, regular copies to externals and/or thumbdrives.
I had Norton Ghost a while back, and I still got it, AND WILL NEVER USE IT AGAIN. BECAUSE : it uses far too many resources that my computer needs to record with, so I decided it wasn't worth using in my case. There is no SUBSTITUTE for backing up your computer TO A SOLID FORM OF BACKUP, those quick fixes IN MY OPINION are a waste of computer usage/SPACE/and TIME.... KEEP IN MIND THOUGH : "I am talking about my setup, and I am no dissing on your suggestion", yeah that might be great if you have a high powered system, but in my case I don't have a dual core or quad core or nothing like that, I have a single Celeron D 3.33Ghz processor so I'm kinda stuck to backup methods that don't use many computer resources so it doesn't effect other programs, such as my recording software. Great advice! Thank you! And Like I said no Pun intended, I am just trying to point out how things are different for backing things up for everyone, and advice can differ depending on what type of options you have available. Thanks again! Bobby
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RE: Backing everything up to be safe?
2009/06/29 04:35:38
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Magnetic Pulse!!!
DVD is the best way to avoid loss, and of course, store it somewhere quite safe, which is most likely not in the same place as the studio-
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Also remember to store ANY DISKS!!! Away from ANYTHING THAT HAS A MAGNET IN IT.... This includes speakers.
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2010/03/17 21:14:32
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For my backups I use a couple strategies. For starters, I have two 1.5 TB seagate drives, but I do not configure them for soft or hardware RAID. Instead I use SyncToy from Microsoft to backup everything on the one drive (L:) to the other drive (M:) at 11:00PM. What I like about this is it gives me an "oh #!)(@#" window typically of a few hours incase I do something stupid like delete files off of L: using shift-delete.
The second part of my backups is that I backup all of my cakewalk data, in addition to family pictures, home videos, important documents, etc. to Mozy. I currently have 160 GB backed up to Mozy for a flat $50 a year. In other words, I can backup 160 MB, 160 GB, or 160 TB to Mozy and its $50. Granted, the upstream speed isn't great, so especially when I transfer some new home videos which are AVCHD, it often takes a week or two to upload everything :-). That's okay though, when I was 7 years old my families house burned down so the only videos and photos of me and my brothers are the ones that family members have. Now that I have my own family I don't want the same thing happening so the $50 piece of mind is well worth it.
Okay, now I'm sounding like a Mozy sales person. I'll shut up now :-).
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RE: Backing everything up to be safe?
2010/03/17 22:49:14
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MetalMan
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Norton Ghost - create the image to a second internal HD, then copy that to an external. I've had system crashes where - after correcting the issue - I've been back up and running inside of 10 minutes.
Oh - and I NEVER store my data on the system drive. Always store it on the second internal, regular copies to externals and/or thumbdrives.
I had Norton Ghost a while back, and I still got it, AND WILL NEVER USE IT AGAIN. BECAUSE : it uses far too many resources that my computer needs to record with, so I decided it wasn't worth using in my case. There is no SUBSTITUTE for backing up your computer TO A SOLID FORM OF BACKUP, those quick fixes IN MY OPINION are a waste of computer usage/SPACE/and TIME....
KEEP IN MIND THOUGH : "I am talking about my setup, and I am no dissing on your suggestion", yeah that might be great if you have a high powered system, but in my case I don't have a dual core or quad core or nothing like that, I have a single Celeron D 3.33Ghz processor so I'm kinda stuck to backup methods that don't use many computer resources so it doesn't effect other programs, such as my recording software.
Great advice! Thank you! And Like I said no Pun intended, I am just trying to point out how things are different for backing things up for everyone, and advice can differ depending on what type of options you have available.
Thanks again!
Bobby
I'm not sure what part of Ghost you are using but the way I use it it uses zero resources. I only have the command line version on a bootable CD so it's only in use when I'm Ghosting a partition. There are no parts of Ghost "installed" on my computer at all.
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