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Re: Band In A Box - Is there anything else out there?
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Thanks for the info Bapu ... I guess I need to scratch some hardware off of the list 
With a high enough credit limit, you CAN have both. IJS.
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Re: Band In A Box - Is there anything else out there?
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Thanks for the info Bapu ... I guess I need to scratch some hardware off of the list
Or.......just start collaborating!!
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Re: Band In A Box - Is there anything else out there?
2015/11/16 11:36:51
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BobF
Thanks for the info Bapu ... I guess I need to scratch some hardware off of the list
You got Cat Scratch fever?
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Re: Band In A Box - Is there anything else out there?
2015/11/16 12:02:38
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BobF
Thanks for the info Bapu ... I guess I need to scratch some hardware off of the list
With a high enough credit limit, you CAN have both. IJS.
I just realized ... I still have both kidneys - a quick sale and I'm golden!!
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Re: Band In A Box - Is there anything else out there?
2015/11/16 22:34:24
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OK, I officially hate you guys.
Why should I get BIAB? What do you compare it to? What am I missing?
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Re: Band In A Box - Is there anything else out there?
2015/11/17 04:07:49
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OK , since a good deal of this thread is about is there anything else out there besides BIAB … it is my duty to mention one of the best open source freeware options out there … Impro-Visor https://www.cs.hmc.edu/~keller/jazz/improvisor/ Impro-Visor when it first came out was geared more towards Jazz players who want to explore the advanced elements of improvisation . As it has grown in acceptance and gotten a larger user base it has added other genres ( I still use it mostly for Jazz and I haven't added the other styles yet ) Impro-Visor is not as sophisticated and complex as BIAB when it comes to creating backing tracks of various musical genres , Yet Impro- Visor does in fact hold its own up against anything I have ever heard when it comes to creating improvised solo's over chord changes … I have used this program for about 3 or 4 years on and off and I can say the vocabularies it bases its solos on are shocking …one of my favorites is the Bill Evans vocabulary …. Anyway , Impro-Visor is a little quirky and takes a little getting used to ….The onboard synth sounds cheesy , but once an export of your song / improvisation is done as a midi file , you have the option to go full tilt in whatever DAW you happen to want to use for your VST sounds…. The main gist of this app is to create solos to play and analyze, so the backing parts are a little light …. Also Bob Keller's personal site is a goldmine of excellent resources if you happen to be into Jazz oriented learning resources … in other news , bapu , I really enjoyed your post and you are making a lot of sense on how you use BIAB …  Kenny
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Re: Band In A Box - Is there anything else out there?
2015/11/17 08:36:02
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BobF,
I've used BIAB for about 4 years now. It's more sophisticated than CP but the results can be magnitudes better. If I didn't have such good friends to collab with (ohgrant, jaymesg1213, daryl1968, Beagle just to name drop a few) I could see myself producing full songs with BIAB being my collaborators.
The RealBand soloist feature (for a non soloist like me) can be a real boon to a song. Of course nothing can replace the originality of collaborators. But if you are limited in budget or collaborators BIAB could be just the thing for any composer to explore not only chord progressions but solos as well.
The only thing I will say that BIAB suffers from (if one were to use only it for tracks) is drums. It's not a robotic Casio but it's not very expressive. They say you can get the drums MIDI but I've never been all that impressed with what BIAB does with drums. I usually build my own; typically using grooves from the chosen drum VST or the multitude of purchased grooves I own.
^ THIS (and back atcha baps!) I've had BIAB since version 12, IIRC. the GUI is clunky and very "DOS-like" (8bit graphics, GUI refresh is horrible) and the menus and "finding things" in the menus are complicated and very non-intuitive. But it is WELL worth the effort! I've released songs with parts of BIAB real tracks and even its MIDI sent through Konktakt or other softsyth before. I use it regularly still for scratch pad and once I've hashed out a song structure, I'll send a demo to my collaborators using BIAB. then I'll drag and drop the tracks into Sonar, set up a template with chord changes, measure markers, etc and send that to my collaborators and we'll use that for creating real tracks of our own for use in the master project file for mixing and engineering. beyond that, pg music is an AWESOME customer oriented company! they will bend over backwards for you!
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2015/11/17 08:49:28
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☄ Helpfulby bluzdog 2015/11/17 09:05:03
oh, but also, don't buy it right now! they always come out with a new version at the end of November or the beginning of December for the new year with new features and new real tracks and they ALWAYS have a "new version sale" when they release it!
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2015/11/18 03:35:58
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After reading this thread, I am going to check out Chord Pulse, but I'll be surprised if it can do as much for me as Jammer Pro has. I have not used BIAB, but have checked out their demo samples and have the impression that it's very strong in Jazz, but not as strong in Pop and Rock as what I have found in Jammer Pro (but maybe I am missing something). It's just too bad that Jammer Pro is not actively supported, but can still be bought and used successfully. Like others have mentioned, I also bring the resulting MIDI files into Sonar and use its instruments to improve the sounds and also to lay down a vocal, which can't be done in Jammer Pro. Since I feel I would be cheating anyone who was willing to pay for me singing, I use my production to get feedback on the song and as a work tape to send to a pro demo studio which has singers on call. Although I write both music and lyrics, I am not a performing musician so I use a notation program, MuseScore (free), to come up with the original MIDI file for my piano-developed melody which I bring into Jammer Pro, into which I then insert my chord progressions. Don Coyne http://www.Broadjam.com/doncoyne
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Re: Band In A Box - Is there anything else out there?
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I scored Chordpulse after the comments in this thread, watched a few vids, thought it could be fun and quite useful, and for the price . . . even if I only get an hour or 2 enjoyment/use out of it it would have been worth the price of admission. Wouldn't mind trying BIAB, but I think it is only available as Boxed version, now download, to impatient to wait for it to cross the oceans :(
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Re: Band In A Box - Is there anything else out there?
2015/11/18 06:43:43
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I scored Chordpulse after the comments in this thread, watched a few vids, thought it could be fun and quite useful, and for the price . . . even if I only get an hour or 2 enjoyment/use out of it it would have been worth the price of admission. Wouldn't mind trying BIAB, but I think it is only available as Boxed version, now download, to impatient to wait for it to cross the oceans :(
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2015/11/18 06:58:07
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You Sir are an absolute gem, I looked at this over the last couple of days and come away with the impression it was boxed only for some reason. Purchasing now.
Thank You
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2015/11/18 07:20:34
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hmmm, deciding, might go for Everything Pak or the Mega Pak, wonder if you can upgrade from the Pro to either of those, the Pro Pak might be the smart choice in case I don't like it or get along with it, but I'm not known for doing the smart thing, I just look at all the extra stuff from the other Pak's I would be missing out on 
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Re: Band In A Box - Is there anything else out there?
2015/11/18 07:40:30
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Richard Cranium
I scored Chordpulse after the comments in this thread, watched a few vids, thought it could be fun and quite useful, and for the price . . . even if I only get an hour or 2 enjoyment/use out of it it would have been worth the price of admission. Wouldn't mind trying BIAB, but I think it is only available as Boxed version, now download, to impatient to wait for it to cross the oceans :(
I'm using the CP trial, making a point to dig a little deeper everyday. The arrangement point were yesterday's discovery. I'll definitely go ahead and buy CP and BiaB during the season. For others that stumble on this thread, ChordPulse is NOT a competitor for BiaB. ChordPulse is a very quick & dirty scratchpad and practice tool. It's quick to launch and the interface is efficient, so it's a really fast way to get the sound out of your head and into something else. For me, buying CP for less than price of a tank of gas and pizza is a bargain.
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Re: Band In A Box - Is there anything else out there?
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2015/11/18 08:09:00
Richard Cranium
hmmm, deciding, might go for Everything Pak or the Mega Pak, wonder if you can upgrade from the Pro to either of those, the Pro Pak might be the smart choice in case I don't like it or get along with it, but I'm not known for doing the smart thing, I just look at all the extra stuff from the other Pak's I would be missing out on
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2015/11/18 09:11:17
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Richard Cranium
hmmm, deciding, might go for Everything Pak or the Mega Pak, wonder if you can upgrade from the Pro to either of those, the Pro Pak might be the smart choice in case I don't like it or get along with it, but I'm not known for doing the smart thing, I just look at all the extra stuff from the other Pak's I would be missing out on
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Re: Band In A Box - Is there anything else out there?
2015/11/18 08:53:56
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☄ Helpfulby charlyg 2015/11/18 09:58:01
Richard Cranium
hmmm, deciding, might go for Everything Pak or the Mega Pak, wonder if you can upgrade from the Pro to either of those, the Pro Pak might be the smart choice in case I don't like it or get along with it, but I'm not known for doing the smart thing, I just look at all the extra stuff from the other Pak's I would be missing out on
Yes you can upgrade from either of those programs. If I were you I would wait as a new version usually comes out around the end of November or in early December.
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Re: Band In A Box - Is there anything else out there?
2015/11/18 12:58:42
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Richard Cranium
Atsuko
Richard Cranium
hmmm, deciding, might go for Everything Pak or the Mega Pak, wonder if you can upgrade from the Pro to either of those, the Pro Pak might be the smart choice in case I don't like it or get along with it, but I'm not known for doing the smart thing, I just look at all the extra stuff from the other Pak's I would be missing out on
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Re: Band In A Box - Is there anything else out there?
2015/11/18 13:20:17
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I write a guitar tune - usually extremely good if not better. Let's just call it - brilliant.
Now I want a realistic bass line to go with it - not my usual root note plod.
Can BIAB help with this?
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Re: Band In A Box - Is there anything else out there?
2015/11/18 13:34:28
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Yes and No.
For a simple country song yes the bass will be fine.
A jazz song I would say yes again.
If you're looking for something unique, a special riff, I would say no.
If you are a guitarist/bassist I would say play it yourself.
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Re: Band In A Box - Is there anything else out there?
2015/11/18 13:39:22
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Cheers. Do you think the programme leads you or can you sort of lead it? I'm more interested in the latter. Trying to strike a balance between my own ideas and getting help with parts that don't come naturally.
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Re: Band In A Box - Is there anything else out there?
2015/11/18 13:43:13
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Kind of the "In between" of ChordPulse and BIAB
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Re: Band In A Box - Is there anything else out there?
2015/11/18 13:53:02
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@ good looking dude
BIAB takes you where it wants to go, not the other way around :)
If you want your demos to sound like thousands of other songs it does a nice job; but you will not be breaking any new ground if you use it. The quality is pretty good (I have the audiophile version); If anyone is interested the audiophile version sounds a little brighter (nothing drastic but noticeable) than the regular version.
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Re: Band In A Box - Is there anything else out there?
2015/11/18 14:08:48
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Cheers.
Food for thought.
I was kind of brought up the traditional set of chord progressions and melodies. Tempting.
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Re: Band In A Box - Is there anything else out there?
2015/11/18 16:16:36
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I have BIAB Mega 2013 but never clicked with it. I will give it another try; Groove3 now has BIAB Windows training courses! :)
What I'm really looking for is a chord progression tool. For example, say I come up with an interesting riff that goes A/G. I want options of where to go next... Would love to just put in those two chords, and get a dozen suggestions and just be able to click each to hear examples.
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Re: Band In A Box - Is there anything else out there?
2015/11/18 20:50:35
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cclarry
Guitar Pro is another "kind of" alternative to this...not as extensive,
but also half the price...the XL version is on sale at JRRShop for $47.99
https://www.jrrshop.com/arobas-guitar-pro-6-xl
I can't recommend AGAINST Guitar Pro strongly enough. Hasn't been updated in ages. Buggy. Unresponsive support. Other than all of that, it's kind of OK. For nothing you can get MuseScore ...
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Re: Band In A Box - Is there anything else out there?
2015/11/18 21:01:05
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I ran the demo here on Win 10 without issues and all seemed to work fine...
of course I didn't go "in depth"...
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2015/11/19 10:32:49
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cclarry
I ran the demo here on Win 10 without issues and all seemed to work fine...
of course I didn't go "in depth"...
According to PGMusic BiaB runs just fine in Win 10.
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