JohanSebatianGremlin

Anderton

JohanSebatianGremlin
Thank you Meng, you hit the nail on the head. I've no reason to trust your word yet and I don't. But that can change once words turn into actions.

You obviously have not researched who Meng is, and what he has accomplished so far in addition to BandLab. He is a doer and he has proven that with his actions. 
 
He's too modest to go through all that here. The facts speak for themselves for those who bother to look them up.

I've read up on him. Still skeptical.

 
I'm actually curious what direction Bandlab is going to take the rebranded DAW.
I have got a few different DAW's for the crossgrade price and I'm glad I did. It has widened my horizon.
Each has strengths and weaknesses.

I think 35mm more or less covered it all, but I do get the feeling that a lot of people don't quite get how good a match Sonar is for Bandlab (and vice versa).

Firstly, I don't think for a minute that Sonar in its form will be much different from what we've seen - however if I may speculate...

Sonar (and formally Cakewalk Pro-Audio) as we know has been somewhat of an underdog in the industry, and despite boasting a full set of features compared to its competition, has never quite won over the Pro Tools / Logic / Cubase crowd.

This to my mind has been a major stumbling block to collaboration with other musicians, and ultimately taking your work into the studio - where invariably they'll be using Pro Tools, and might have a copy of Cubase knocking about. This, and probably the lack of a Mac version, has no doubt had an impact on sales.

Bandlab on the other hand, is a collaboration platform with a multi-platform/mobile DAW (albeit fairly basic).

I see Sonar (probably very soon) having tighter integration with the Bandlab "platform", and by that I mean the whole eco-system, not just the DAW. This gives Bandlab the chance to offer collaboration for the pro's - both between musicians, and between musicians and studios/producers. It also exposes Sonar to millions of existing Bandlab users and gives them a fantastic upgrade path from the Bandlab DAW, and a new revenue stream for Bandlab.
 
It would be great to be able to navigate Bandlab projects directly from Sonar, fork them, upload them back to the cloud, get notifications of comments, parts being edited / added / mastered etc, and being able to immediately get the updates and continue working on my songs.

Now I appreciate that the way more amateur musicians collaborate is different to how many of us may want to collaborate - personally, I am pretty picky about who I want to collaborate with, and I'm very picky about what goes into my songs. However, Meng and his team seem extremely open to suggestions and I'm sure the Bandlab platform will evolve to accomodate how pro's/semi-pro's operate much in the way they've already done for the education side.

Even if the Bandlab community side doesn't interest you, the fact that it offers not just a lifeline, but a huge opportunity for the expansion of Sonar's user-base should give all of us some comfort that Sonar's future is far more secure.

M.

FullBug2

JohanSebatianGremlin
It helped me and I've said that. If you don't like the way it played out then I guess I'm just a bad person. Sorry.

Can't say if you're a bad person, or not. What I can say: you're a very whiny individual.

Understood. Thank you for that.

"The sonar that you know and love - the program, as it is today and everything was connected - is clearly not profitable"
 
I do not believe that. I only believe that Lifetime was no longer profitable. It was marketing not the product itself, as well as a parent company that has over $ 200 million in debt  (not from sonar) - maybe even too much for meng, if interested in the guitars brand.

abacab

meng
Hey Johan, if you read the posts I've contributed on this forum, there are a lot of questions that have been answered in context that would normally be considered factual.

But I agree, words are cheap, and I am fully aware you don't have any reason to trust me yet. I'm a firm believer that trust is earned, not given - I suggest you wait a little bit more and you'll see what we put into action and then you can make a decision whether we've stood by our word or not. 😊

Many of the points in the previous post by 35mm have been addressed by me in posts on this forum, it's not pure speculation.

Meng, you are truly a class act, and I admire your patience and tactfulness! 

+1000

Please resist the urge to continue this line of discussion.

Skyline_UK
Another idiot blocked.

Yeah, tell me how you do that.  I don't see a block button anywhere.

Personally I can't help wonder if some of the trolls are supporters of the competition sent here to make us look bad.
But if some of them truly are loyal Cakewalk users, all I have to say is we have some serious PTSD going on here!!!
I knew a girl once who went lesbian after being with an abusive man. It sounds like some people have serious trust issues which are more than likely to do with their family relationships and/or romantic relationships and/or even betrayal by close friends. I find it hypocritical that the poster complained about Sonar users thanking Meng for saving our DAW without him having done anything yet, yet he's happy to assume the very worse about Meng without proof. Guilty until proven innocent.

According to the philosophy claimed the poster should have neither positive nor negative expectations until actions are taken, but his words clearly demonstrate the highest level of negativity, which says a lot about him more than anything else.

Let me get this straight.  A man buys the rights to a product that was abandoned by a parent company.  The parent company lied to its user base and basically stole from them via misrepresentation.  Now this man, for his investment, his desire to resurrect a product/service is being criticized for ambition and initiative.  Not cool.
 
Whatever happens with the product and its future, it's more than what the former owners left us with.  I am pleased to at least have a choice and maybe some retained rights of upgrade/sidegrade that were abandoned by Gibson.  Meng loves music, he is a businessman, he at least is astute enough to lend a word or two to this forum.  (not required)  I have invested, as the rest of you have significantly over the years in expensive hardware and excessively in software.  It is a choice we all make because we love music.
 
For whatever it's worth.  Meng, thank you for your efforts!  I wish you great success.  I hope your ambition and vision pays off for you and quite possibly for me as a musician who would enjoy the continued use of one of my tools/toys.  Paradigms were made to be broken.
 
I'll wait to see what you come up with and give it an objective look under the hood.  At minimum, I respect the effort and risk you are taking to keep it moving forward.  Proactive Innovation  (Provation)
 
Keep on keeping on and I'm rooting for your success.
 
Peace

For all those out of the loop: There's a very easy way to find your answers. It's called reading. No time? Find the time, like the rest of us did. If you really value Sonar, you will take a few minutes to bring yourself up to speed. I thought it was understood that this is how forums worked. You first search the forum, and if you still can't find your answer, THEN you ask the question.