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Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ...

Hi guyz , i need you guyz expetise on this one ...

I m a bass head that still never bought a bass lol , but one thing for sure i know what sound i like and what i don t like ...

Few weeks ago i decided update my arsenal in the amp area , since i use more and more those tools even on synths ect ...anyway , Eddie hooked me with Th3 witch a killer bang for the buck , basically the first time i heard great cabinets itb ...

Anyway the bass option in it are greatvbut only 4 amps , two of them are ampeg s ...

I m trying as i write amplitube 4 ampegs stuff , and also the uad aka brainworx ones ...and i m surprise by the differences in tone and distortion structure ....

I m also testing postiive grid witch is great ....

So what s you guys thought , i also consider mark studio 2 but i m not a fan of the cabinets there while the alps are really "big"

I noticed th3 stuff are really mid and cuts through mixes , lack's some body but usually where i would cut lol , but you have this 3d that i don t have with brainworx rec chains and amps sim , i m finding amplitube more 2 dry ...but once tweaked with fx and room it start to shine ...

I tested kuassa witch is great also



So what do you guyz think , and is there the holy grail of bass amps solution around that i didn t find yet ....this area (bass) seels to be hard to get right itb ...

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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/08 20:57:08 (permalink)
By the way this is what i found as refernce , exellent video

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e2yJMsB9z8w

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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/08 21:37:13 (permalink)
Depends on what you are trying to achieve. CLA Bass is great for any genre and style of playing. Also Sheps Parallel Particles works wonders for a well recorded bass. Usually, Cakewalk ProChannel works great for me. I don't like amped bass much and rather prefer DI bass instead.
 

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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/08 21:46:12 (permalink)
In the Amplitube Custom Shop are Trace Elliot, Galien-Krueger, etc. If you have Amplitude.

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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/08 23:31:05 (permalink)
I tried galien on uad and it s exellent , didn t know about trace elliot

To tell the truth i m kinda lost in samplitube witch what s included and whats not , on witch versions ect ...i m testing the ampeg vol 1and 2 and presets keep telling this stomp missing , this mic missing ext ...pain !!

Soundwise , i want amped , need that grit a little 70 uk style but with the body mark bass can add , for kniw i dual amping , one for the bodybthe other forthe caracter ( not specifically a bass amp there )

My question could also be witch one really capture the best emulations ... because i m not using real bass amp since ages ... and wanted real bass players input ... ideally i m looking for a versatyle solution .....

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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/09 00:53:17 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby LANEY 2018/04/09 20:57:10
Overlouds Mark Studio is on sale in JRR for $58. Good range of Markbass amps and cabs that have a different tone to the Ampegs
https://www.jrrshop.com/overloud-mark-studio

 
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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/09 01:29:14 (permalink)
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Overlouds Mark Studio is on sale in JRR for $58. Good range of Markbass amps and cabs that have a different tone to the Ampegs
https://www.jrrshop.com/overloud-mark-studio


Yep i see that , i m trying one by one , quite like the fender tone (bassman 59 if i recall)

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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/09 12:36:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bandso 2018/04/09 20:27:55
I use mainly Mark Studio now but Audiffex has a free and pro version of GK Amplification Pro of which I used the free version for more years than I like to admit. It was killer!!! So much so that I finally got the pay version when I could afford it. It still finds its way in to projects now. Great plug and very low on cpu.

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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/09 13:13:58 (permalink)
The second set of Amplitube Ampeg emulations aren’t bad at all if you want the various flavours of Ampeg. Actually the first set are pretty reasonable as well, but I think the second are better. The Ampeg pedal emulations in the first set are amongst the best Amplitube has to offer in my opinion.

More often than not though I run the bass into an MXR bass preamp or DI the bass into an LA-2A emulation followed by Pultec-style eqs.

I generally don’t go for distortion on bass guitar because I find it loses low end and impact and the harmonics from the distortion start fighting for space with other stuff in the mids, but when I do want it I usually use Softube’s Saturation Knob. Another approach would be to emulate Lemmy’s Marshalls into 4x12s and 4x15s but the Marshall bass amps and cabs don’t seem to attract the attention of the emulation coders much.

Amplitube’s Orange bass amp can also do a pretty good overdriven tone, though it’s not a particularly close emulation of the real thing. It sounds OK, just not very “Orange” in my personal opinion.

As for the ‘59 Fender Bassman combo one oddity about it is that the 4x10” speakers can’t reproduce the fundamentals of the lower end of a bass very well. What Fender cleverly did was design the amp to emphasise the octave up harmonics so bassists could have a transportable amp that gave a good impression of deep bass rather than lugging around the heavy wardrobe-sized 15” or 18” cabinets that were the usual approach to amplifying bass back in the 1950s.

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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/09 14:50:17 (permalink)
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I use mainly Mark Studio now but Audiffex has a free and pro version of GK Amplification Pro of which I used the free version for more years than I like to admit. It was killer!!! So much so that I finally got the pay version when I could afford it. It still finds its way in to projects now. Great plug and very low on cpu.


Sid, you put me onto the free GK, and I have never looked back! I should check out the paid version, but I don't need a million bass sounds, and if it's just more tweakability I think I'll stick with the free one, which sounds excellent to my ears.
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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/09 16:24:20 (permalink)
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I use mainly Mark Studio now but Audiffex has a free and pro version of GK Amplification Pro of which I used the free version for more years than I like to admit. It was killer!!! So much so that I finally got the pay version when I could afford it. It still finds its way in to projects now. Great plug and very low on cpu.


Sid, you put me onto the free GK, and I have never looked back! I should check out the paid version, but I don't need a million bass sounds, and if it's just more tweakability I think I'll stick with the free one, which sounds excellent to my ears.

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I use the Audified GK Amplification Pro2.
I got it when they were running some type of special promotion on it. 
Although it's not free, its well worth the investment.
 
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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/09 19:38:43 (permalink)
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I use mainly Mark Studio now but Audiffex has a free and pro version of GK Amplification Pro of which I used the free version for more years than I like to admit. It was killer!!! So much so that I finally got the pay version when I could afford it. It still finds its way in to projects now. Great plug and very low on cpu.



+1 on the free Audiffex Gallien-Krueger!
 
It pairs well with the free Ample P-Bass 'Ample Bass P Lite II'.  Really beefs up the tone! 
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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/09 20:26:49 (permalink)
Glad I could help!!!!!!

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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/09 20:29:28 (permalink)
Another thumbs up on the Audiffex Gallien-Krueger. The Amplutube Ampeg collection is really good too.

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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/09 21:39:37 (permalink)
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Soundwise , i want amped , need that grit a little 70 uk style but with the body mark bass can add , for kniw i dual amping , one for the bodybthe other forthe caracter ( not specifically a bass amp there )

My question could also be witch one really capture the best emulations ... because i m not using real bass amp since ages ... and wanted real bass players input ... ideally i m looking for a versatyle solution .....

I see.
Well for reamping Amplitude is fine. Doesn't work great for me. YMMV.
For live playing and reamping too Audiffex is hard to beat. Besides Gallien Krueger they also have pedals galore with some excellent bass effects.
For reamping it's important to have right amount of grit and compression with some EQ. But the most important part is the cabinet sound. Getting great impulse responses will work better than any all-in-one package.
With that in mind I'd also recommend getting Ampeg amp-sim by Kazrog and bass cabs by Peavey. This won't cost you a fortune, but you'll be able to get excellent results. In fact, I prefer ReValver to all other amp-sims.
So It's $9 for Kazrog Ampeg + $ for ReValver RIR2 + (optional) $5 for 3rd party VST support for RV4 + bass cabs of your choice. That makes $19 +  $ 2 per each bass cab. Not bad, huh?

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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/09 22:54:11 (permalink)
Was , indeed cheap ...

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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/11 16:53:15 (permalink)
I don't use them, but this was recommended on the S-Gear forum and is on sale for cheap. 
 
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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/11 19:09:06 (permalink)
How about NI's Guitar Rig 5?

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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/12 16:51:58 (permalink)
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How about NI's Guitar Rig 5?


Never liked it ...sounds to artificial for me but i use it more like a color box , like waves gtr 3

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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/12 16:55:25 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2018/04/12 18:26:02
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How about NI's Guitar Rig 5?


I use GR5 all the time and like it.  I don't agree with the above statement, but I guess it depends how you set GR5 up, and the bass and style you are playing.  TH3 has some good bass amps, as well. YMMV

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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/12 17:39:06 (permalink)
real bass.
 
the only thing for me.
 
it's just a matter of how to get the best capture for me....
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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/12 20:57:02 (permalink)
You guyz are right l nothing more difficult to argue about amp sim since tone is the essence of subjectivity ....

That said i tried to point out objectif easy to judge stuff ti juge a solution :

1) interface , easy to tweak and reach sound
2) value for money
3) cpu hit , maintenance , vendor ... who you re f... with
4) dynamic , quality if the saturation
5) most important : in context mix/track integration ...too many time i judge A better than B but but def sits better in a mix ...so A sounds more naturale aka like the real thing , but B sounds like a record ;)

Thks all for your valuable feedback , keep it going ...

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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/13 23:54:12 (permalink)
By the way , for a beginner , the best all arounder : squier , or yamaha trbx 174 ?

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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/14 01:31:51 (permalink)
I have a a Squier VM Jazz bass and I'm totally happy with it. If you go for a squire, then I'd suggest the extra fr a VM as apposed to an Affinity. 
 
The Jazzbass has two pick ups, each with it's own tone and volume, so very flexible. The P-Bass has a split singe pick up, so eave the volume on max and just mess with the tone. It has a certain sund that the JazzBass can get (even when just set to one pick up) because the pick up is positioned on the string to get it. The should I get a Jazz or Precision was overcome to some degree by the PJ, which used both the standard singe coil of the Jazz and the split of the Precision. I dn't think the is  Squier
 
I don't know the Yamaha, but a quick look and the it seems to be based n the PJ format, of two pick ups and one is a split. It just has 3 knobs, two volume and one master tone.
 
For versatility it seems mre comparison of the Jazz VS TRB. Jazz has the extra tone knob, TRB the Spit (P Style) pick up.
 
It's going to be close, but when you compare, I'd be cmparing the VM (Vintage Modified) price against the Yamaha.
 
As far as beginner goes, It the set-up that really matters. Truss-rod, bridge height, intonation and nut height. I've learnt to do this myself, but the best bass in the world with a bad set up, will not be great to learn on. Cheap basses are very good nowadays it seems and are generally capable of a good set-up.

 
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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/14 11:19:24 (permalink)
Thks kamikaze , planning on playing with amp sim ....for now

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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/14 13:26:15 (permalink)
I am a guitarist, keyboard player, etc! I have two inexpensive basses that are bangers.
One is the aforementioned Squier VM Jazz bass. It's a fretless and for the money is a very good investment.
The other is one I bought out of curiosity. It's a Harley Benton! 5 string, active preamp that can be switched on or off! Bought from Thomann website in Germany. $170 smackers. Highly recommended for a banger or a beginner.

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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/14 14:14:14 (permalink)
Anther Angle is the MusicMan Stering SUB range,  which are StingRay Active Basses. Active Bass have a different Tone.

 
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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/14 16:39:48 (permalink)
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By the way , for a beginner , the best all arounder : squier , or yamaha trbx 174 ?

For a good all around "studio bass", Squier.
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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/15 18:05:11 (permalink)
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How about NI's Guitar Rig 5?


Never liked it ...sounds to artificial for me but i use it more like a color box , like waves gtr 3

I use Guitar Rig almost exclusively and find that it sounds great. But I'm also using it with real basses. If what comes out of it sounds artificial, its probably because artificial is what you're putting in.

I sometimes use Trilogy on projects instead of real bass. I can usually get something acceptable out of it. It will replicate the part and it will sound like bass and fit in the mix ok. But it will always lack that certain something that sounds like you had a person come in a play an actual bass in the room. It will sound good, and there's lots of little tricks you throw in to help 'humanize' the part (finger noises, slides, etc). But it will always sound just a tad bit 'plastic' to me. If you want to end up with something that sounds like real bass, you need to start with real bass IMO. No amp sim is going to take sampled bass and make it sound real.

 
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Re: Bass players , let s talk bass amp sim here ... 2018/04/16 07:40:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby burgerproduction 2018/04/16 10:06:20
Thanks for the input on Guitar Rig 5.  I've used it on guitars and always been happy with it.  

On the topic of basses...

I'm a crappy bass player, so take this with a grain of salt.  But I absolutely adore my Ibanez GSR205SM 5-string.  It's gorgeous, easy to play and sounds great.  It's also very lightweight, which is a plus.  They run about $300, a bargain by my measure.  

Squires are hit or miss.  Quality control is practically non-existent.  You can get a Squire that plays and sounds great, or you can get a lemon.  You never know.  I have a hot little red Squire Stratocaster I got for busking.  It's really light and fun to play.  A lot depends on how well it's set up.  Usually, however, the old adage remains in effect:  You get what you pay for.  There are some rare exceptions to the rule, of course...like Cakewalk by Bandlab.  :)

)-|-( HeatherHaze
http://heatherhaze.com/

"This will be our reply to violence: to make music more intensely, more beautifully, more devotedly than ever before." ~ Leonard Bernstein

Cakewalk by Bandlab
Studio One 3.5, Cubase 9.5
Intel Core i7  8700, 32Gb RAM
Focusrite Scarlett 18i20
V-Studio VS-700
Slate Raven MTi2
Windows 10 Professional 64-bit
...and a whole bunch of other stuff.
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