Beepster Metal (my first Sonar production)

wow... good job of lowering expections... LOL... this is really fine work... (the drums are buried in the mix though) I'm hip to the exhaustion... ya' gotta know when to take a break...
Masterful performances... great work...

Nice metal tone Beepster!  I liked it, cool metalness goin on.  I agree the drums are buried but for a first production this is great 

Lol, Beep, I was grinning all the way through that man. Very "Dork Metal" indeed haha.

Loved the guitar work, and knowing how you did the drums it's not as bad as I thought it would be.

If that's a so called test or learning project then I can't wait for something that is a bit more complete, and more like seven minutes long, with something like that in the middle. Excellent bit of axe work there Beep.

To be honest, I mainly listen to prog and metal nowadays and I wish I could produce this kind of stuff myself, but I tend to stay in my comfort zone and produce simple electronica.


Anyway, on to X2 for you now huh?

cheers

andy

Your doing Great Beepster,
Im with ya on the exhaustion thing too. (Hard to but gotta learn to give yourself a break )
Im with Jonesy on the chugs-Im still trying to beat the panning & placement into my project too 

Overall on my "Cans" nice job for first project!!!  Have fun, look forward to hearing more.

Hey Beepster, it's good to see and hear you on this forum.  You sure have the chops for metal down to a tee.  Though the drums are low in volume, they are programmed well and drive this piece.  Will there be vocals?  Either way, you don't have far to go to get this into the next level of coolness.

Hi, guys. Just woke up from a much needed sleep. Thanks for listening and all the kind words and encouragement. It's a little silly but I kind of got a bit nervous about posting it. This would not have been possible without all the help I've gotten from the forum these past few months. This place is brilliant. Once I get some caffeine in me I'll start typing up the blow by blow on my procedure to hopefully get some input on where I can tweak my techniques.

@synkro... Thanks, man. I kept it short and sweet with my foot on the gas this time. I figured I'd give myself just enough material to dig into the various aspects of recording and producing the style. As far as the Techno vs. Metal thing why not mash them together? I was big industrial fan as a young lad and always liked electronic stuff with some down and dirty guitar crunch. Heck, if you want I could try to metalfy some tracks for you or shoot you some riffs to loop. If it has a beat I can usually get something evil happening. Guitar parts are easy for me. It's everything else that messes me up. Cheers, dude. ;-)

@Jonesey... Thanks, man and yeah I think next to the drums the rhythm guitar parts are the next thing that are lacking. Kind of a combination of issues that I'm looking to remedy (which I'll detail later). There are indeed two distinct rhythm performances. I panned them out to about 10% thinking that would be enough but when (and if) I revisit this I'll keep that in mind. I don't know much about proper mix separation but I'm learning so future endeavors should be a little more presentable (I was trying to go for a nice Slayer type chug but it didn't quite work out). I didn't really dig too much into that kind of thing with this because of the stereo drums. I just couldn't isolate the kit pieces so trying to get everything out of the way of each other was proving very difficult. It was a bad mistake to use the BFD export instead of doing things right in Sonar but I was excited to play with it and that's what went down. Cheers, dude and thanks for listening.

@digi2ns... Thanks. Definitely gotta do something about the rhythm guits. The next electric guitar experiments are gonna involve some fancier input techniques so I'm hoping that will help get rid of the squishy squashy sim sound. If it comes down to it I may just mic my amp with distortion already applied for this kind of stuff but I'm really hoping to get a handle on all this sim business to keep things simple and completely editable as far as FX. Cheers.

@Daryl... Thanks, dude. I'm not sure what I'm gonna do next. I am kind of tempted to stay on the metal train just to get it right but I also want to dig into some acoustic stuff as I have about 40 songs or so I need to record for one of my bands. However I was thinking of recording a metal album at the same time so when I get burnt out on one style I can switch over to another to cleanse my musical palate. Cheer, man and thanks for listening.

Nice and shreddy!  I dig it!

This is pretty cool! nothing to add regarding the production that hasn't already be mentioned. Some more stereo would be nice.

However, I really liked the tune a lot! Love the melodies and the guitar playing is ace.

Well done

Thanks, ProjectM. ;-)

@james... Yeah, I've been here since May and trying my darndest to absorb as much info as I can so I've probably been a little verbose but I've learned a lot... and I agree the mix could be a lot better but it was my first go. I'm typing up what I did for you guys to pick apart and hopefully nudge me in the right direction. Cheers.

Beepster


As far as the Techno vs. Metal thing why not mash them together? I was big industrial fan as a young lad and always liked electronic stuff with some down and dirty guitar crunch. Heck, if you want I could try to metalfy some tracks for you or shoot you some riffs to loop. If it has a beat I can usually get something evil happening.

That sounds like a plan Beep. I'll let you know when I have something for you ;-)

I think I'm gonna give this one more shot and really hone in on every single setting I made. I was kind of getting fed up with the tune but now that all the heavy lifting is done I shouldn't just abandoned it. I'll find a way to get those drums and rhythm guitars out into the open. Heck, I might even rerecord the rhythms using some of my external gear. I've been meaning to play with that stuff anyway so it'll be easier with a "finished" tune anyway. Thanks for the input and encouragement guys. I'll get this. Cheers.

Heheh. Thanks, man. That's some high praise. I've always enjoyed the Pugtones postings. :-)

lol... Thanks, bapu.

What??!!!??

A drummer who wants the drums louder?

Well as a bass player, I wanted the bass louder and in my face.

Straummy prolly wants the guitars louder and in his face.

STinGA


Well they are a little quite, no? :-)

ya. just yankin' yer chain.