Best Hand-held Recorder??

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RE: Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2008/08/18 16:40:25 (permalink)
I have the Zoom H2 (liked the name too) and use it for field sampling and a few other tasks....

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RE: Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2008/08/18 18:46:37 (permalink)
I'm eager for more user reports on the Olympus LS-10.

I bought a Zoom H2 a few months back; it was stolen in a burglary and I'm trying to decide whether to replace it or get the Olympus.

My experience with the H2:

It is easy to use. The built-in mikes give fine sound, which is important to me since I wanted this device as a stand-alone unit. One of the few portable recorders to include a windscreen in the box, which is essential for field recording. I was able to minimize and often eliminate handling noise simply by using the included mike stand attachment as a handle and holding on tightly. Very light weight, it is indeed plastic construction but felt well-made to me (light as opposed to cheap). If you're going to take it hiking or such, you'll want to protect it with a little camera bag. Offers narrow and wide-angle recording, or both at once. Easy file transfer to my PC. Although not a musically relevant criterion, the H2 is a cute and cheerful-looking device.

But for the reviews the LS-10 has been getting, I would have replaced the H2 immediately.
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RE: Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2008/08/18 18:51:05 (permalink)
H2 user. Very easy to use. Also use it as a stereo mic with my laptop. Recorded my mum's choir secretly (the leader doesn't like being recorded). Great results - apart from someone sneezing nearby! Highly recommend.

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RE: Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2008/08/19 04:12:51 (permalink)
Oh wow!! I've just found the best page for comparing all the different handheld recorders on the market. Now mind you that not every sample for each recorder is available but there are enough for you to compare and I'm really enjoying what I hear from the Olympus LS-10.

Here's the link:

http://www.wingfieldaudio.com/portable-recorder-sound-samples.html

Make sure you listen to the cello, choir, and piano samples of the LS-10 and the H4. I personally think that the LS-10 has a much more realistic, warm sound that makes you feel as if you're actually in the same environment the recording took place in. It's as if you can reach out and touch the scenery you are hearing and this is very attractive to me. Personally, I've noticed that the other recorders seem a little muted at times and don't give off such a unique sound as the LS-10. Have a listen when you get a chance and report your findings back here.
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RE: Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2008/08/19 10:54:49 (permalink)
the best thing to do would be to go to a shop and try them out for yourself. That site is convenient, but I'm not convinced that the tests are necessarily equivalent. E.g., were all recording parameters exactly (or close to) the same across devices? Does one or the other devices have a default EQ that provides a little boost that makes it sound "better" than the other? These devices are also loadd with all sort of effects as well -- does one engage a compressor by default while others do not? It could also be that the differences you're hearing really are the differences between mic pres and the onboard mics themselves. Hard to say without doing your own test, which may or may not be practical. Good luck!
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RE: Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2008/08/19 11:32:27 (permalink)
I, too own the Zoom H2, and am impressed with the audio quality and ease of use. There is some handling noise, but as was mentioned previously, I use the mic clip adapter and use it on a stand. Generally all I use it for is to record rehearsals and live shows, I haven't used it for sampling or studio work.

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RE: Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2008/08/19 12:34:48 (permalink)
I was never impressed with the sound of the Zoom recorders. They give you a lot of "bang for the buck," but then again you get what you pay for. I was much more impressed with the sound of the Edirol and Tascam portables. The internal mics were not dull or muffled like the Zooms (or like any of Samson's other microphones). M-Audio's is very popular, but the supplied mic is junk, you would have to get a good external electret.

If I had enough cash to throw away on a small portable recorder, I would go for one of the Sony's (I always liked the sound of my old Sony DAT), but I settled on the Tascam DR-1, and I am rather happy with it. I usually just use it as a backup recorder for live sessions using the mini line-in jack from the output of a mixer.
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RE: Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2008/08/19 13:38:01 (permalink)
It sounds to me like the LS-10 brightens the mids.

I wish that, in addition to the portable recorder samples, they had recorded each source using a reference mike, with no further processing.

In my case, I'd seldom use a device like this for recording musicians indoors (I have much better gear available for that). I'd be interested in some samples of field and ambience recordings in order to compare wind and handling noise as well as recording fidelity.
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RE: Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2008/08/19 14:53:01 (permalink)
In my case, I'd seldom use a device like this for recording musicians indoors (I have much better gear available for that). I'd be interested in some samples of field and ambience recordings in order to compare wind and handling noise as well as recording fidelity.


I will give Zoom credit for that. From what I have heard the H4 seem to have the lowest handling noise (and wind noise using the wind screen) of the smaller recorders. Still, I would prefer to use a separate mic like the Sony ECM957PRO or the AT822 for field work or sound design. These have unbalanced mini connectors for the majority of the flash recorders' stereo mic inputs.
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RE: Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2008/08/19 19:49:16 (permalink)
Oh and holy sh*t!!! Did you guys know that Scott Garrigus is on here??? Damn man, that guy's so cool


He's the biggest celebrity on the planet. But will he be ready, from day one, to lead us into SONAR 8?
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RE: Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2008/08/19 22:15:04 (permalink)
I have the Sony PCM-D50, and so far (one month) it sounds pretty dang good. I have tried it with both its internal mics, and an external binaural set.

Here is another site that offers a good set of sound samples for comparison:

http://www.wingfieldaudio.com/portable-recorder-sound-samples.html

I thought the Zoom and Edirol sounded good, but the voice sample for the Sony sold me. Also, it does 96/24 :)
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RE: Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2008/08/19 23:51:15 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Chuck E. Jesus

i have the Zoom H2, works great for me...here's some thunder claps i recorded a couple weeks ago:

http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/download.php?id=15


Thats sound awesome! I want one of those so when I am somewhere and Im thinking, ooh I want to sample that sound for a song, I can as fast as using a digital cam for a pic lol.

Nice! Thats some good thunder!

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RE: Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2008/08/20 21:00:52 (permalink)
Hey! The Kiss, after I read every thing on this subject, I whent to a music store to get some drum parts i needed to fix my kit and I could't resist to look on the electronic's department if they had one of those small recorders. And yes, they had the Edirol, the Tascam, the M-Audio and the Yamaha...Tha saleman wasn't to much experimented on this business because I wanted to be sure to have a machine that will record on 24 bit and he said yes for the yamaha but, after he look and the user book, he never found a place where it was written...but he still day yes it recvord at 24...

So, I believed him and I arrived home after one hour drive and I get the PDF include and I found my answer, it record at 16 bit....but, it already like the machine, it's small like a cell and I pluged that on my computer and listen to couple test I made outside and I believe that it gonna make what I need even if I don't have my 24 bit that I wanted at the beginning. After all, I thought I need a good machine that get sound effects that I found every where so it's not for recording a singer or a symphony orchestra...but, still, I'm not happy wirh the saleman...

So, the machine is call the POCKETRAK and if you whant more information about it, I'll watch here some times.
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RE: Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2008/08/21 21:33:21 (permalink)
Glad to see you found something you like Muzock. I agree that the salesman should know more about his products and this is precisely the reason why I never buy anything from major (or small) music stores. Unless I need a new guitar strap or picks I seldom visit these places.

Most of the time it's just a bunch of chubby emo kids who have no idea what they're talking about. I once asked a guy at Guitar Center about some of their capo selection and his answer to every question of mine was "Um...yeah...well, this one looks cool." Know what I mean? It's just pathetic.

These days I just go into these stores to check out the equipment firsthand and then purchase my needs from a reputable online music store. Best of luck to ya and be sure to post your recordings when you get a chance.

Peace.
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RE: Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2008/08/22 17:53:46 (permalink)
Yes I will, if I know how to do it...
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Re:Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2011/06/23 18:12:58 (permalink)
MD recorders is so simple to use and the complete superior is brilliant. It is almost cheap, bunched and good quality. Now all of the music section of MD systems have replaced them.
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Re:Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2011/06/23 19:18:36 (permalink)
Wow what an ancient thread....

I recently bought a Zoom H4n and I am very happy with it. It's like a audio Swiss army knife.

Well designed, with a smart software implementation.

I got Zounds to match the price of Amazon's $309 H4n package. When I asked Zounds to match it, they gave me the package that they normally sell for 369, which includes the remote (which, yes, you DO want and need to have.) And a number of other accessories that I'm finding very useful. All for $10 above the typical selling price of $299.

I first checked out a Zoom H1, which sells for $99. It's nice, and if you don't need any of the deeper functions of the H4n, may be sufficient. But its form factor leaves a LOT to be desired, and doesn't lend itself well to fast operation... stiff, closely spaced, clunky buttons, and a very limited display being the main culprit. Way too easy to inadvertently change critical settings (eg sample and bit rate.)

If you're looking for a REALLY simple but well designed digital recorder for note taking (dictation, basically), I highly recommend the Sony ICD-DX-### series. of Digital Voice Recorders.

HTH
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RE: Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2011/06/24 08:27:07 (permalink)
FYI -

DR-08 Linear PCM/MP3 Recorder Blac:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/stupid/

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RE: Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2011/06/24 11:50:39 (permalink)
I own the H4N and use it to capture sound for film on location. Wicked powerful tool to have in the toolbox, and for gosh sake, there's a GUITAR tuner in there! LOL - Seriously, great tool.

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Re:Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2011/06/24 12:03:54 (permalink)
Wow what an ancient thread....

Yeah, spammers aren't generally known for their context or temporal sensitivity.

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Re:Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2011/06/25 01:24:05 (permalink)
Post #46 ??? MD recorder??? Like as in Mini Disk??????
anyhow interesting read . It would be cool to have an update on these gizmos. I spent an hour looking at the different models the other day as I would like one just to use for idea capture. But then It seems for a little more $$ you could actually use one for serious live recordings.
I've always steered away from Zoom products thinking them to contain more content than quality. The Edrol is way over priced, The Tascams look promising and there is still the Camera company's offerings.
I would personally prefer one that just has a big red button on it and nothing else.

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Re:Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2011/06/25 03:33:01 (permalink)
<< I would personally prefer one that just has a big red button on it and nothing else. >>

Have a look at the Zoom H1. it's most prominent feature (other than the crossed mics) is the big red record button. The operation of the H1 is simple, but I didn't personally care for the form factor: the buttons are stiff and close together... easy to mis-press, and with multi-function buttons, that wasn't something I wanted to deal with. Other things like the visual feedback and file navigation put me off. That said it's actually very nice as a basic "point and shoot" stereo recorder. Ultimately, I was sufficiently interested in some of other features of the H4n, that I went with that instead. But if you want something for easy "idea capture" at higher sample and bit rates, the H1 might be just what you're looking for.

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Re:Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2011/06/25 07:48:32 (permalink)
Hi Marah!!!


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RE: Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2011/06/25 09:26:12 (permalink)
MNorman


Surprised noone mentioned the M-Audio Microtrack. 96/24, works as advertised. Have had it for a while now, and haven't seen a downside...


I got the Microtrack when it first came out. The one thing that bummed me out about it was the battery. You have to send the damn thing in when it dies and pay $75 for M-Audio to replace it. That never sat well with me. I'm wondering if that's still the case with Microtrack II? As for the quality of recording, I found that to be pretty good to great depending on the mic's you use. I recorded two live shows at Radio City Music Hall using Sennheiser uni-directional mic's and the results were excellent.

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RE: Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2011/06/25 12:40:26 (permalink)
I got the Microtrack when it first came out. The one thing that bummed me out about it was the battery. You have to send the damn thing in when it dies and pay $75 for M-Audio to replace it. That never sat well with me. I'm wondering if that's still the case with Microtrack II?

Don't know for sure but probably since the Microtrack ii is sealed up. I love mine, particularly with the spdif input. I use it as a backup recorder when I do live recordings to laptop and go in using the spdif  input.  Or I could use an external pre/converter and run it digitally into the MTII.  As far as battery life, I haven't had a problem since it will run while powered from the USB port. I have a bunch of various USB battery packs so I could run the thing for days even while recording 24/96 and using phantom powered mics.  Lessee, I've got a 32 gig card in it so that's about 15 hours I could record at 24/96?

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RE: Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2011/06/25 13:24:03 (permalink)
Silence Dogood


I had an H4 for about a week. Cheap plastic case and not well built. Sounded OK. Menu-and-thumb-dial interface sucked. Returned it. POS. Bought a TASCAM CF field recorder - more gooder!


What did you buy? There's no such product as TASCAM CF, but there's lots of different Tascams.

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RE: Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2011/06/25 14:39:17 (permalink)
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I got the Microtrack when it first came out. The one thing that bummed me out about it was the battery. You have to send the damn thing in when it dies and pay $75 for M-Audio to replace it. That never sat well with me. I'm wondering if that's still the case with Microtrack II?

Don't know for sure but probably since the Microtrack ii is sealed up. I love mine, particularly with the spdif input. I use it as a backup recorder when I do live recordings to laptop and go in using the spdif  input.  Or I could use an external pre/converter and run it digitally into the MTII.  As far as battery life, I haven't had a problem since it will run while powered from the USB port. I have a bunch of various USB battery packs so I could run the thing for days even while recording 24/96 and using phantom powered mics.  Lessee, I've got a 32 gig card in it so that's about 15 hours I could record at 24/96?


Well, I was using an external battery pack too but then it stopped powering up altogether. I assumed that meant the battery was dead and external power or not the battery needed replacing... could be the unit itself died. I may crack the case for the hell of it and have a look inside.

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RE: Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2011/06/25 20:28:06 (permalink)
musicians friend has been running sales all week on tascam recorders... check the stupid deal of the day

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Re:Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2011/06/25 20:45:59 (permalink)
I bought a ZOOM H4 when they first came out and I am pretty sure they (all of them) have likely improved since then and... I have had good results with the H4. I don't see how you could lose with any of them as long as you read the reviews and compare the specs. I also have a Kodak Zi-8 HD video recorder that makes incredible HD videos and has a USB connector to post straight online.
 
Personally, I'd stay with the ZOOM, they make good stuff, have new 64bit drivers for the original H4 and the R16 and they are easy to work... and work well. The H4 is either stereo for field recording or 4-track with effects and modelling if you want to go that Rt... but youhave to choose one or the the other before you start a project, you cant record stereo then decide to add two more tracks. Being the older model (replaced by the H4N) should be a god deal on ebay.
http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1901&brandID=4
links to the others are on the page.. it also has a windscreen and an adapter for putting it on a micstand.
 
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RE: Best Hand-held Recorder?? 2011/06/25 21:29:49 (permalink)
Woah... this thread is from '08... how did it get here??
 
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