highlandermak
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Best Virtual Drums
So I was wondering what your thoughts are on the best virtual drums. I have been using AD2 and have been very pleased however I know other use different products. What's your favorite virtual drum kit? Thank you
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/24 05:15:09
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I think a lot of this depends on what type or general type of music you are making.
I have Superior drummer and EZ Drummer . Superior , i feel is better for metal and raw rock. Although if that's all that you had, you could make it work in any genre. That being said though, I find that "for me" Addictive is the most versatile when it comes to genre shifting and morphing, takes some tweaking outside the general presets, but 99% of the time it's what works for me.
On a side note, I find myself quite a few times using high hats from Sonar Session Drummer.
Experiment and find out what best works for you. Addictive Drums, I find, are the most versatile, although you might have to delve into some additional drum packs to get rounded out.
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/24 06:39:50
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Don't let anyone fool you! This is what the pros are using: Virtual_drums
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/24 07:34:13
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BFD 3 is probably the best sounding and versatile IMHO
Toontrack's Superior is also very good, the workflow is a little easier for me.
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/24 18:34:09
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/24 18:38:48
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BFD3 here, never really use much else. Perhaps a little to deep for some peoples needs but for me it has the edge over all the others in most areas and as for being overly complex? Well it's only as complex as you want, or need it to be. You can download and try a demo here, BFD3It has limitations (obviously being a demo) like less velocity layers and less articulations and I think it's 16bit but other than that it's pretty much fully functional without time limit. Maybe one for the future and worth waiting for a 50% off sale which I think you missed back in April so maybe not till fall now. Steve
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/25 16:46:46
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highlandermak
So I was wondering what your thoughts are on the best virtual drums. I have been using AD2 and have been very pleased however I know other use different products. What's your favorite virtual drum kit?
Thank you
I like them all (at least the ones I own). Superior or BFD3 is I want to do a "from the ground up" approach. AD2, EZDrummer2 Steven Slate SSD4 if I want a polished sound. With the exception of BFD3 I own all the available libs for all those drum products. There are some BFD3 libs that I'm not interested in or I'm just waiting on a sale for about three or four libs. I only own 26 libs for BFD3.  I also own Slate's Trigger2 and Drumagog 5 if I want to augment what I've done with the above libs or if I'm working with live drum tracks.
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/25 16:53:40
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/06/25 18:06:53
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/27 12:56:32
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If you want to use Virtual drums as if you recorded all the tracks yourself then Superior Drummer 2 from Toontrack.
If you want the sounds without all the work then use EZDrummer 2 also from Toontrack.
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/27 13:29:58
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I have Addictive Drums and Superior Drummer.
AD is best for a quick go-to kit. I like it because i can quickly get a decent preset. I also like that you can purchase individual drums.
SD seems to have more in-depth versatility. You can really get deep into the sound creation to produce a perfect drum sound. It seems to mimic actually recording the drum kit better than AD. However, the extra kit purchases are more expensive than AD.
I've been using SD for many years, but changed over to AD when I bought SPlat a couple of years ago. I just bought a "master class" video series on Superior Drummer (from CreativeLive), and am most of the way through it. Superior Drummer is a pretty amazing virtual drum program, and I'll be going back to that for the near future.
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/27 13:53:11
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If you want to use Virtual drums as if you recorded all the tracks yourself then Superior Drummer 2 from Toontrack. Or BFD3.
If you want the sounds without all the work then use EZDrummer 2 also from Toontrack.
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/27 15:26:03
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For me it's BFD 3. Extremely powerful, but plenty of presets if you don't want to tweak...
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/27 17:53:59
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For me it's BFD 3. Extremely powerful, but plenty of presets if you don't want to tweak...
Actually, that is an often overlooked aspect of Superior Drummer. Not only does each kit come with at least a few to several presets, they also offer (for purchase) some Producer Presets for most of their kits. There are currently 19 producer presets. I'll agree the interface is getting long in the tooth and an SD3 will be welcomed by me.
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/28 11:54:34
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/06/28 13:27:27
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If you want to use Virtual drums as if you recorded all the tracks yourself then Superior Drummer 2 from Toontrack. Or BFD3.
If you want the sounds without all the work then use BFD Eco also from FXpansion.
Edited for twaddle.
You missed a bit, but I appreciate the thought Steve
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/28 16:50:11
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AD2 is brilliant for quick and easy, and to be honest, I've got it set up with separate outputs as a track template and that's why I use it. I've owned BFD3 for years, but despite asking for help on this lovely forum, I still don't know how to set up the separate outputs in Sonar, so it is gathering cobwebs.
A massive thing in AD2's favour is the ability to audition different patterns without actually loading anything into your project.
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/28 17:07:59
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I've owned BFD3 for years, but despite asking for help on this lovely forum, I still don't know how to set up the separate outputs in Sonar, so it is gathering cobwebs. What help exactly do you need setting up the BFD3 outputs Marshall? There are various ways routing to sonar which will vary according to how you prefer to mix but there are a couple of, "auto" routing configurations you can run from within the BFD3 mixer. Glad to help if I can. Steve
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/28 17:13:07
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Marshall's recent thread about BFD3 is http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3611556. Maybe it would be a better place to discuss breaking out BFD3 into separate tracks. At least it would give you a better idea of what has already been discussed and avoid hijacking this thread.
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/28 17:17:19
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Thanks Scook, I did just search through his posts and found it.
Cheers
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/28 18:29:02
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Most drum libraries fall into one of two categories: do-it-yourself or ready-to-wear. Superior Drummer is in the former, BFD the latter. Neither category is better at all things. Superior can give you exactly the sound you're after, but it'll make you work for it. BFD takes less effort, but unless you have the budget for lots of expansions you may sometimes find yourself settling for "close enough". As a longtime Superior Drummer user, I have learned how to get good results with it. However, it's still a bit of a PIA due to its philosophy of modeling real-world drum mixing. I don't have any additional kits for it because they're pricey, so if I need an alternate snare, for example, I turn to Kontakt libraries. (There are many inexpensive drum samples out there, both full kits and individual drums from the likes of Drumwerks for 4 to 20 dollars). Many users would find my approach archaic, klunky and obtuse, especially if they have no experience mixing real drums. It works for me, though. But if I was looking to add a Category 2 turnkey drum library, I'd seriously consider Steven Slate Drums. Although not as tweakable as Superior, it's one of the easiest libraries to quickly and effortlessly get good results with. Plus at $149 it's a steal - less than the price of one Superior Drummer expansion - and you get 100 kits.
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/28 18:38:20
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I have Superior Drummer 1.6 and it's a lot to work with. Love the percussion add-on which adds some hand percussion, so no faked flam or crescendos need to be used.
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/28 18:41:16
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AD2 is brilliant for quick and easy, and to be honest, I've got it set up with separate outputs as a track template and that's why I use it. I've owned BFD3 for years, but despite asking for help on this lovely forum, I still don't know how to set up the separate outputs in Sonar, so it is gathering cobwebs.
A massive thing in AD2's favour is the ability to audition different patterns without actually loading anything into your project.
Audition and tweak (i.e. mute kit pieces, change velocity ranges, etc.) without loading into a project.
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/28 19:18:53
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Most drum libraries fall into one of two categories: do-it-yourself or ready-to-wear. Superior Drummer is in the former, BFD the latter. Neither category is better at all things. Superior can give you exactly the sound you're after, but it'll make you work for it. BFD takes less effort, but unless you have the budget for lots of expansions you may sometimes find yourself settling for "close enough".
I would mostly agree with this, except that you can definitely get to BFD's raw samples if that's what you want to work with. Just load a kit instead of a preset and you can adjust everything manually, with or without FX. bitflipper
But if I was looking to add a Category 2 turnkey drum library, I'd seriously consider Steven Slate Drums. Although not as tweakable as Superior, it's one of the easiest libraries to quickly and effortlessly get good results with. Plus at $149 it's a steal - less than the price of one Superior Drummer expansion - and you get 100 kits.
These are quite good as well. Having SSD4 and BFD3 though, I can honestly say I reach for BFD more often. Regards, Dan
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/28 21:26:04
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I would mostly agree with this, except that you can definitely get to BFD's raw samples if that's what you want to work with. Just load a kit instead of a preset and you can adjust everything manually, with or without FX.
I am just really getting to grips with BFD3 after finally sorting out the mono and stereo routings in Sonar (its easy, I was just missing the obvious) I am sure I saw somewhere how you vary the mix of the ambient channels and even reposition the mics but I can't remember where. ( in a dream??). Ideally I would like to get the overheads and room mics out on different Sonar tracks. I must read the manual.
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/29 14:36:49
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I would mostly agree with this, except that you can definitely get to BFD's raw samples if that's what you want to work with. Just load a kit instead of a preset and you can adjust everything manually, with or without FX.
I am just really getting to grips with BFD3 after finally sorting out the mono and stereo routings in Sonar (its easy, I was just missing the obvious)
I am sure I saw somewhere how you vary the mix of the ambient channels and even reposition the mics but I can't remember where. ( in a dream??). Ideally I would like to get the overheads and room mics out on different Sonar tracks. I must read the manual.
It's a lot to take in: https://www.fxpansion.com/webmanuals/bfd3/operationmanual/index.html?drum_editor.htm Regards, Dan
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/29 18:36:09
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I would mostly agree with this, except that you can definitely get to BFD's raw samples if that's what you want to work with. Just load a kit instead of a preset and you can adjust everything manually, with or without FX.
I am just really getting to grips with BFD3 after finally sorting out the mono and stereo routings in Sonar (its easy, I was just missing the obvious)
I am sure I saw somewhere how you vary the mix of the ambient channels and even reposition the mics but I can't remember where. ( in a dream??). Ideally I would like to get the overheads and room mics out on different Sonar tracks. I must read the manual.
Glyn, I've tried posting a link to the "Operations Manual", but I think Cakewalk's anti-spam software is eating the posts. Just run this search in Google: "bfd3 mic positions" The first link should be what you want... Regards, Dan
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/29 19:16:57
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Glyn BarnesI am sure I saw somewhere how you vary the mix of the ambient channels and even reposition the mics but I can't remember where. ( in a dream??). Ideally I would like to get the overheads and room mics out on different Sonar tracks. I must read the manual.
If you expand the ambient channels using the little square with an arrow next to the fx power button, (or the arrow on the ambient master channel) then hit the "tweaks" button you'll see that the overhead, room and ambient channels have, "width" and "distance" knobs below. The mono, and comp channels just have. "distance" and NOT width dials. Steve
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/29 19:52:00
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Glyn BarnesI am sure I saw somewhere how you vary the mix of the ambient channels and even reposition the mics but I can't remember where. ( in a dream??). Ideally I would like to get the overheads and room mics out on different Sonar tracks. I must read the manual.
If you expand the ambient channels using the little square with an arrow next to the fx power button, (or the arrow on the ambient master channel then hit the "tweaks" button you'll see that the overheard, rood and ambient channels have, "width" and "distance" knobs below. The mono, and comp channels just have. "distance" and NOT width dials.
Steve
Thanks, I knew I had seen it somewhere!
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/29 23:35:20
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Most drum libraries fall into one of two categories: do-it-yourself or ready-to-wear. Superior Drummer is in the former, BFD the latter. Neither category is better at all things. Superior can give you exactly the sound you're after, but it'll make you work for it. BFD takes less effort, but unless you have the budget for lots of expansions you may sometimes find yourself settling for "close enough".
As a longtime Superior Drummer user, I have learned how to get good results with it. However, it's still a bit of a PIA due to its philosophy of modeling real-world drum mixing. I don't have any additional kits for it because they're pricey, so if I need an alternate snare, for example, I turn to Kontakt libraries. (There are many inexpensive drum samples out there, both full kits and individual drums from the likes of Drumwerks for 4 to 20 dollars). Many users would find my approach archaic, klunky and obtuse, especially if they have no experience mixing real drums. It works for me, though.
But if I was looking to add a Category 2 turnkey drum library, I'd seriously consider Steven Slate Drums. Although not as tweakable as Superior, it's one of the easiest libraries to quickly and effortlessly get good results with. Plus at $149 it's a steal - less than the price of one Superior Drummer expansion - and you get 100 kits.
I'll give a plus one to Bit's recommendation for Steven Slate. I have an embarrassing number or options I've picked up over the years, but added Slate to the mix about 6 months ago and find that it is a great sounding kit right out of the box. I added the CLA expansion as well. Both were on sale when I picked them up, and it was a real bargain considering the mileage I have gotten out of them these past few months. I'll still use BFD3 now and then, but that is mostly when I pull up an old project that I want to revamp a bit, and the drums are already programmed with that.
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/29 23:54:05
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I find that it's not about the Virtual Drums, it's about the Virtual Drummer!
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Re: Best Virtual Drums
2017/06/30 15:13:33
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One potential advantage (or disadvantage if you suffer from GAS) of BFD3 is the availability of third party kits.
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