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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/10 04:35:12 (permalink)
generally speaking the price considered a good deal is the price it is, if waiting for a deal be sure not to hold your breath . . . generally speaking
 
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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/10 04:40:59 (permalink)
Omnisphere.  $500.  No trial version?
 

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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/10 05:18:01 (permalink)
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Omnisphere.  $500.  No trial version?



Oi! Omnisphere will have to wait until I REALLY need it... I haven't actually tried it ever (TIRED to install a trial ONCE if I remember correctly, mayyybe... don't even remember. It was like 5 years ago. Or maybe not. ) In fact I've never *heard* Omnishpere (edit- I'm sure I HAVE, but I can't say I explicitly know how it sounds or what's in it). Time to do some YouTube searching!

 
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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/10 15:29:20 (permalink)
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Omnisphere.  $500.  No trial version?



Oi! Omnisphere will have to wait until I REALLY need it... I haven't actually tried it ever (TIRED to install a trial ONCE if I remember correctly, mayyybe... don't even remember. It was like 5 years ago. Or maybe not. ) In fact I've never *heard* Omnishpere (edit- I'm sure I HAVE, but I can't say I explicitly know how it sounds or what's in it). Time to do some YouTube searching!




Frankly, it sounds amazing and is probably in most tracks you hear on TV/Radio. I'll admit it hurt to buy in the first time, but the upgrades have been very reasonable and I have yet to hear every preset as of yet, and I've had it for years.
 
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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/10 16:39:00 (permalink)
I gather from watching the YouTube demos, that Omnisphere can make some amazing sounds.  Everyone that has it seems to like it a lot.
 
But is it something that you should really start out with for building a sound collection, or after you have the basics covered?

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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/10 17:38:38 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pentimentosound 2017/03/20 13:17:48
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Here's an interesting article from SOS back in 2011. "Steinberg Halion Sonic"
http://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/steinberg-halion-sonic
 
It seems that the predecessor of Halion was Steinberg's Hypersonic, developed by Wizoo (AIR Music Technology started as Wizoo Sound Design).  However, by the time it came out, it was already clear that Hypersonic 2 was likely to be the final version, as Wizoo had been taken over by Steinberg's rivals Avid. Much of the original Hypersonic content would soon reappear as the free Xpand! plug‑in bundled with Pro Tools, but that was the end as far as Cubase and other VST or AU‑format hosts were concerned.



The current versions of HALion 6 and HALion Sonic 3 are Yamaha based.
If you like the Yamaha Motif and Montage workstations, you'll like HALion Sonic.
 
HALion 6 certainly isn't cheap... but it includes a very broad range of good "meat-and-potato" sounds.
With the various synth engines... and advanced sample-playback (with custom scripting and GUIs), it's an instrument that can cover almost any scenario.
 
Many folks have wanted a virtual instrument that offers sounds/features of a top-tier hardware workstation.
H6 is like having Kontakt and Omnisphere (both surpassing hardware counterparts) rolled into a single virtual instrument.

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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/10 18:46:49 (permalink)
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Here's an interesting article from SOS back in 2011. "Steinberg Halion Sonic"
http://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/steinberg-halion-sonic
 
It seems that the predecessor of Halion was Steinberg's Hypersonic, developed by Wizoo (AIR Music Technology started as Wizoo Sound Design).  However, by the time it came out, it was already clear that Hypersonic 2 was likely to be the final version, as Wizoo had been taken over by Steinberg's rivals Avid. Much of the original Hypersonic content would soon reappear as the free Xpand! plug‑in bundled with Pro Tools, but that was the end as far as Cubase and other VST or AU‑format hosts were concerned.



The current versions of HALion 6 and HALion Sonic 3 are Yamaha based.
If you like the Yamaha Motif and Montage workstations, you'll like HALion Sonic.
 
HALion 6 certainly isn't cheap... but it includes a very broad range of good "meat-and-potato" sounds.
With the various synth engines... and advanced sample-playback (with custom scripting and GUIs), it's an instrument that can cover almost any scenario.
 
Many folks have wanted a virtual instrument that offers sounds/features of a top-tier hardware workstation.
H6 is like having Kontakt and Omnisphere (both surpassing hardware counterparts) rolled into a single virtual instrument.




Now that's a very good argument for getting Halion 6 ($350) as the starting point for a top-tier sound library.  Especially considering that Kontakt and Omnisphere would run about $900 for both.  And depending on what you want to do, you would probably need to buy a few additional Kontakt libaries to get all of your sounds.
 
It's also good to hear that Halion is Yamaha based now.  That's a great lineage.  I only linked the legacy article about the origins of the original Halion, because I was amused to hear that the old Wizoo/Steinberg/Avid technology had trickled down to the AIR Xpand! plugin. 

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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/10 19:02:36 (permalink)
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...In fact I've never *heard* Omnishpere (edit- I'm sure I HAVE, but I can't say I explicitly know how it sounds or what's in it).



Only if you've watched a movie or turned on the TV in the last 5 years. I recognize factory patches in TV shows all the time. 
 
A compelling case can be made that Omnisphere is, if not the greatest, certainly one of the greatest synthesizers of all time, software or hardware. So you'd reasonably think that Omnisphere should be able to do anything and everything. But the truth is, it is most definitely not the "all-in-one" solution the OP was asking for. Despite its amazing flexibility, it is still a sample-based synthesizer, not a sampler.


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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/10 19:06:46 (permalink)
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I gather from watching the YouTube demos, that Omnisphere can make some amazing sounds.  Everyone that has it seems to like it a lot.
 
But is it something that you should really start out with for building a sound collection, or after you have the basics covered?




When Jim (Roseberry) built my DAW a few years back, he installed Omnisphere and Komplete 8. it was a couple of years before I felt like I needed to add to that because I was missing something, and the first things I added were organic instruments, like orchestral instruments, drums and specialty wind instruments.
 
Halion sounds nice too, but I don't have any experience with it, and I don't know how well supported it is as far as sound libraries goes.
 
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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/12 03:36:52 (permalink)
I am also considering UVi's Falcon or Arturia Collection V in which order should I buy both of these?Is Falcon considered an all around synth package? like Omnisphere (which I own).  I think it is fabulous. 
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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/12 03:48:44 (permalink)
Omnisphere is like buying a synthesizer construction kit.  It isn't so much that it is complicatedd to program, which I don't think it is.  It's more you have such a wide variety of similar sound sources so the old version 1.0 only gave you 5 types of oscillators.  I would just stick with those and get cobalt vst freeware and then try to recreate the sound on that in Omnisphere.  Because Cobalt VST only has 26 waveforms and they are really diverse.  Omni has so many and it is hard for you to think through what you want until you get clear with enough attributes.  But that is how I am learning what Omnisphere does.  It most of the time only has 2 layers an A and a B so its not that hard to understand its more you have so many sound sources.  I am only playing around with the synth side of it now and it makes many kinds of sounds.  It also has many filters and I would just use a 12 or a 24 one.  But in terms of the architecture I don't think it is really that complicated.  Not like UVI Falcon or Wusik 8000 or Wusik station or Arturia which is a history lesson in synths. 
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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/12 03:53:08 (permalink)
I am trying to develop Humanistic Hymns that reflect University knowledge and conversations pertaining to science into music.  It's hard to sing the vocabulary, Science and math use so many non one syllable words.  Is anyone else out there trying to do this?  It doesn't seem to be reflecting itself in "the voice" which has too much religious stuff for my taste.   Please open your minds to a wider spread of knowledge.   Just curious what others think.  
 
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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/12 03:58:37 (permalink)
I don't think you can include synthesizers and all-in-one sound libraries in the same sentence.  That is what samplers are for. 
 
I like synthesizers and have quite a few of them, but they are not the same!

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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/12 05:31:32 (permalink)
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I am trying to develop Humanistic Hymns that reflect University knowledge and conversations pertaining to science into music.  It's hard to sing the vocabulary, Science and math use so many non one syllable words.  Is anyone else out there trying to do this?  It doesn't seem to be reflecting itself in "the voice" which has too much religious stuff for my taste.   Please open your minds to a wider spread of knowledge.   Just curious what others think.  



I'm not sure, but here is a good example of science and music:
https://youtu.be/VgVQKCcfwnU
 
 
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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/12 06:21:59 (permalink)
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I don't think you can include synthesizers and all-in-one sound libraries in the same sentence.  That is what samplers are for. 
 
I like synthesizers and have quite a few of them, but they are not the same!


Humorously enough, that's a distinction I totally forgot to make before making this post 
 
methodman3000
I am trying to develop Humanistic Hymns that reflect University knowledge and conversations pertaining to science into music.  It's hard to sing the vocabulary, Science and math use so many non one syllable words.  Is anyone else out there trying to do this?  It doesn't seem to be reflecting itself in "the voice" which has too much religious stuff for my taste.   Please open your minds to a wider spread of knowledge.   Just curious what others think.  



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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/12 14:29:01 (permalink)


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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/12 18:37:54 (permalink)
still spensif

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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/12 19:30:11 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Fleer 2017/03/12 20:39:20
Falcon looks nice, but think I'll wait to see what KV331 does with the wavetable editor in SynthMaster 3 

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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/12 21:43:31 (permalink)
Thanks I was looking at the difference between UVI Vintage vault vs buying Arturia Collection V which sounds better it seems like UVI gets high marks for their Samples and many people complain about Arturia.  Are there really that many differences between the two.
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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/12 22:14:18 (permalink)
This is the difference:
 
UVI - "No emulations here—all UVI vintage series instruments start with the real thing. Extensive sampling of the highest quality combined with the award-winning UVI Engine XT™ give you all the character and soul of real hardware instruments with the ease, efficiency and control provided by modern software."
 
Arturia - "V Collection 5 is your one-stop dream collection of the legendary keyboards behind many of the hits ranging from 60 years ago to 6 minutes ago. Our award-winning modeling technology faithfully reproduces the way the original components behaved, delivering the very soul of these instruments in a way that samples simply can’t."

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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/13 21:02:47 (permalink)
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David Baer (dmbaer) did some extensive research into UVI Falcon (and came away a fan):
http://soundbytesmag.net/falconbyuvipart1/
http://soundbytesmag.net/review-falcon-by-uvi-part-2/
http://soundbytesmag.net/falcon-synth-oscillators-a-close-up-look/
 


Correction: the first two of those three were written by Rob Mitchell, but thanks for the plug anyway, Dave. 
 
Actually, though, for purposes of the discussion in this thread, probably the most pertinent thing I've ever written was a comparison of Omnisphere, Falcon and HALion 5.  You can find that here:
 
http://soundbytesmag.net/threehighendhybridsynthscomparison/
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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/14 00:07:56 (permalink)
And a fine article indeed. Loved reading It back then and still appreciate it now. SoundBytesMag rocks.

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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/14 01:29:04 (permalink)
Enjoyed that article!  Hard to imagine that I paid $1500 for a Korg workstation 20 years ago, and that I could have all three of these big three “luxury vehicles” for less that that, plus a decent controller keyboard! 
 
“smokin’-hot” 
 
I think I would be leaning towards the new Halion 6 at this time if I had to pick just one ...

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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/14 03:45:02 (permalink)
Omnisphere all the way. And Keyscape.

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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/14 05:28:43 (permalink)
Falcon is another deep synth.
The only thing that kept me from getting it is the lack of multi-core optimization.
HALion-6 and Kontakt-5 are optimized for multi-core CPUs.
 
Kontakt (by far) has the broadest support from 3rd-party library developers.
Kontakt has had custom scripting since what... version 2?!  (someone correct me if I'm wrong on that)
It'll take HALion-6 a while to reach that broad of a base.  The potential is there... 
 
Omnisphere is super deep.
Bit may be right, it may be the greatest synth ever created.  Eric Persing is a genius sound designer (has been for decades).
It's "weakness" (ironic as it may be to say) is "meat and potato" type sounds.
Of course, if you have those sounds covered... it's a moot point.
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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/14 05:51:22 (permalink)
Thanks I think I will get Arturia first and then SynthMaster, then towards the end of the year Falcon. 
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Omnisphere is fantastic I seem to discover something new everytime I sit down to use it.  I have two more parts to score out and drums will be the hardest.  I haven't quite figured out Cakewalk in the step sequencer can I just use a pattern in one spot and then paste it then use the step sequence multiple times with different patterns on the same track?  I am trying to discover how to do that.  Anyways thanks for the discussions they have been helpful.
 
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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/14 08:05:16 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pentimentosound 2017/03/20 13:33:23
I happen to have had Kontakt as part of Komplete 8 Ultimate - going through many upgrades from 3 up to 8.  I stopped at 8, because the newer versions didn't really give me much of anything different than I already have.
 
I also picked up a handful of 3rd-party instruments, which were not very expensive.
 
I ALSO hunted around, and found a CRAZY number of FREE sample libraries for Kontakt - nearly 1 TB of sample-based instruments that are really quite good.
 
The other part of my sample collection comes from a monthly subscription I began with EastWest Composer Cloud, which gives me another IMMENSE number of REALLY good - literally motion picture quality sample-based instruments.  This runs me $29 a month, and gives me another full TB of samples and thousands of additional instruments.
 
Between Kontakt, Play (the name of the EastWest sample player that plays the Composer Cloud instruments), and all of the free samples I found for Kontakt, I have tens of thousands of incredibly good sample-based instruments and sounds.
 
Rounding things out, I use the Arturia V Collection, which I find incredibly good for all of the vintage synth sounds, and then I picked up the Korg M1 soft synth from their Legacy Collection.  The M1 comes with their entire collection of expansion sounds - 17 different packs of them, and includes all of the sounds from the Triton.
 
So the cost of the above sounds is approximately:
 
$150 for the Arturia V Collection - if you get it on sale, which seems to happen in December or January
$24.99 for the Korg M1 - on sale - currently not on sale but still only $49.99 which is still incredible
???  Hard to break Kontakt out, since I bought Komplete and upgraded from 3 up to 8, inclusive.  Kontakt runs $399 for the full version - and the Kontakt Player is FREE.
$29.99 for the EastWest Composer Cloud - which is a monthly charge that gives me access to an absolutely stunning and amazingly large number of world-class instruments and libraries.
 
And then I have 160 Kontakt instrument libraries that I found and downloaded from the web, and these are also really quite good.
 
I hope some of the above helps, 
 
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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/15 05:17:44 (permalink)
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