Best eq for surgical frequency removal

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Re:Best eq for surgical frequency removal 2011/09/21 08:36:50 (permalink)
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Xeq all the way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-55WRy7202s

but i'm considering gifting myself with the Heq from waves for the left right / center side stuff ....


Bristol ...out of topics but how do you find focusrite audio drivers ? stable , low latency ...(can you give me the round trip for exemple at 256 samples)

I need a super lite interface for headphone production and the focusrite VRM is on the menu but i'm knida scared of the drivers and convertors quality ..

I'm running my Focusrite Pro24 DSP (with the VRM) at 96 samples and getting about 6ms roundtrip latency Zo, ol pal.  And she sounds great!
 

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Re:Best eq for surgical frequency removal 2011/09/21 10:21:15 (permalink)
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I use this one quite a bit


Agreed - that's another very good one Jonesey.


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Re:Best eq for surgical frequency removal 2011/09/21 10:57:44 (permalink)
Ozone can be a little heavy on a per track basis so I only use it for Mastering.
For single tracks I use iZotope's Alloy which allows you to use a single module with reduced CPU overhead.
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Re:Best eq for surgical frequency removal 2011/09/21 12:30:19 (permalink)
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Zo


Xeq all the way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-55WRy7202s

but i'm considering gifting myself with the Heq from waves for the left right / center side stuff ....


Bristol ...out of topics but how do you find focusrite audio drivers ? stable , low latency ...(can you give me the round trip for exemple at 256 samples)

I need a super lite interface for headphone production and the focusrite VRM is on the menu but i'm knida scared of the drivers and convertors quality ..

I'm running my Focusrite Pro24 DSP (with the VRM) at 96 samples and getting about 6ms roundtrip latency Zo, ol pal.  And she sounds great!
 
Thks ol PAl 




http://www.focusrite.com/products/audio_interfaces/vrm_box/   this is the one i will consider ....my heart telling me : babyface but my real need (headphone on the go production ) telling try this ....


But used to RME and my VS 700 , i'm a little scare .....

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Re:Best eq for surgical frequency removal 2011/09/21 14:35:02 (permalink)
Herb's advice is best: avoid ever having to do surgical equalization. Yes, it's possible.

I almost never have need of it, and on those very rare occasions that I do, I use an external editor (Adobe Audition's spectral editor).  Truly surgical editing is usually better done as an offline process.



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Re:Best eq for surgical frequency removal 2011/09/22 01:26:21 (permalink)

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Herb's advice is best: avoid ever having to do surgical equalization. Yes, it's possible.

I almost never have need of it, and on those very rare occasions that I do, I use an external editor (Adobe Audition's spectral editor).  
Truly surgical editing is usually better done as an offline process.





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Re:Best eq for surgical frequency removal 2011/09/22 10:55:41 (permalink)
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Herb's advice is best: avoid ever having to do surgical equalization. Yes, it's possible.

I almost never have need of it, and on those very rare occasions that I do, I use an external editor (Adobe Audition's spectral editor).  Truly surgical editing is usually better done as an offline process.
hi bitflipper, i found that it makes some tracks sit better in a mix - when used sparingly to remove annoying resonances and frequencies. 
why would you recommend using an external editor for notching ?  why not in sonar ?
ps - i believe i am getting good quality recordings - using decent equipment to begin with.   i find that eq notching is a good tool to hunt down resonances and frequencies that muddy up my mixes.  it helps my mixes a bit..
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Re:Best eq for surgical frequency removal 2011/09/22 11:03:18 (permalink)
maybe this is relevant - i find that in most cases, when i record, with no eq applied, my tracks generally have too much highs and i have to apply a low shelf eq on vocals, guitars, keys/ synths and snares... 
otherwise, if i mix down without eq, i get too much shrill-ness. 

upon recording, i always try to get a balanced (to my ears) tone going in to the DAW.   why would i need to tame most of my tracks with eq ?   
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Re:Best eq for surgical frequency removal 2011/09/22 17:27:51 (permalink)
hi bitflipper, i found that it makes some tracks sit better in a mix - when used sparingly to remove annoying resonances and frequencies. why would you recommend using an external editor for notching ? why not in sonar ? ps - i believe i am getting good quality recordings - using decent equipment to begin with. i find that eq notching is a good tool to hunt down resonances and frequencies that muddy up my mixes. it helps my mixes a bit..

Yes, resonances are a frequent problem. But it's worth taking the time to analyze those resonances closely, because they are acoustical in origin and have a tendency to be repeat offenders you're likely to see time and time again. If you can determine where they're coming from, you can at least mitigate if not eliminate them at the source.

I rarely run into resonances whose remedy I would characterize as "surgical", though. Most are under 1KHz, most have a fairly wide Q and can be addressed adequately with conventional parametric equalizers.

What makes them challenging is not that they are narrow in bandwidth but rather when they are intermittent and brief in duration. That's why we often resort to narrow-band filters - to squash the peaks with minimal collateral damage. But in reality what's really needed is actually a broader band that's applied only when needed.

Consider using a multiband compressor instead of an EQ for resonances. The SONAR-bundled Sonitus Multiband isn't that great but will do if you have nothing else. If you want to invest some money, try out the demo for the WaveArts MultiDynamics5.


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Re:Best eq for surgical frequency removal 2011/09/27 10:45:57 (permalink)
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Herb's advice is best: avoid ever having to do surgical equalization. Yes, it's possible.

I almost never have need of it, and on those very rare occasions that I do, I use an external editor (Adobe Audition's spectral editor).  Truly surgical editing is usually better done as an offline process.

I think the term "surgical" can be misleading at times.

If one is in control of the project from start to finish (ie, recording / editing / mixing / mastering), then I agree that one should and probably can avoid the need for "truly surgical" editing (EQ'ing in this case).

However, if one is handed a project to mix and/or master, then it's possible one might be stuck "having" to do some surgical EQ'ing.

But there are times when surgical EQ'ing, if simply called "Notching", can be an effective tool for sound shaping.  

I had one project where the bass just had some areas where it popped out a bit and normal EQ/compression didn't quite do the trick as there was one specific region that just seemed to have too much power/energy in the mix.   Notching out a 'few' frequencies (feathering I believe it's called) did the trick without affecting the overall mix.

Would I call that surgical?  Or would I call that Notching (or even some other term)?   Doesn't really matter - right?  It solved the problem and did so without destroying the final result/mix.

SO in this case, it would have been hard to avoid the problem but easy to solve it.



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