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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/17 13:36:38 (permalink)
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  Was that spelled "Oh, no!" by any chance? 



Ha!  But event the premise that Yoko endorses a pitch corrector is funny on more than one level.



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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/17 16:25:39 (permalink)
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Was that picture BitFlipper or Philip Seymour Hoffman?
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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/18 09:18:30 (permalink)
I don't know why you think it's not quite as good. It's exactly the same algorythms but wihout the non-reverb FX you get in the actual unit.

I'm quoting the salesman, who said compromises had to be made because the hardware unit is a dedicated processor and if you treated every user's DAW as a dedicated reverb processor there wouldn't be much steam left over for everything else. It's entirely possible that the coder was able to come up with optimizations the second time around that allow comparable quality with a lower CPU hit.

At the end of the day, it's still an awful lot of money for a plugin, even if it's very good. There are just too many less-expensive alternatives that are also very good.

Altiverb, at $600, for one. They were showing Altiverb 7 at the show (not a released product yet, though). Granted, it's not exactly like Lexicon products in that it's not intended to be a do-all special effect, but rather a model of real spaces. You don't pull up a "plate", you pull up St. Mark's Cathedral.  And optionally redesign said cathedral's dimensions if you think its ceiling is too low. The new version has a very snappy and slicker user interface, with a searchable database of acoustical models, e.g. "wood floors", or "similar to...".

Maybe I'm not enough of a reverb junkie, but for me Perfect Space works just fine for most things and it's free with SONAR. I think stepping up to Pristine Space might be worthwhile - to get true stereo - and that's only $120. With so many inexpensive reverb options, $1500 just seems like way to much to pay.



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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/18 09:24:55 (permalink)
Good morning, all! Sorry for abandoning the thread over the weekend, but I had some connectivity issues at the hotel - unusably slow download times. There was just too much to see and do to warrant hours watching an hourglass.

However, I did write some entries offline on Saturday and will add them today. And, of course, pictures. Now where the heck did I put that camera cable...


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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/18 09:28:14 (permalink)
Bitflipper...Your service to humanity does not go unnoticed...thanks for the wonderful updates.

it reminds me of the 70's when NAMM was in Chicago and I'd sneak in.  This was before midi was invented.  I'd be there to check out Hammond, Rhodes, Arp, Moog and the multi track machines I could never, ever afford.  Multi track recording at home was a thing for the Jetsons....

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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/18 10:07:53 (permalink)

I showed up at the Cake booth yesterday and gave Bit a ring and left a voicemail, but no answer.

In that chaos it was challenging even to locate people if you knew what they looked like! Turns out I was standing about 10 feet away from you, talking with Murray (MurMan). I never heard the phone ring, but I looked at it and was surprised that I had several unheard voicemails. But it was way too noisy to listen to them, so I had to go outside to check messages. One of them was "This is Dave Escobar. I'm at the Cakewalk booth. Where are you?".  I was at the CW booth, too. I am truly sorry I missed you.

MurMan and Middleman managed to pick me out of the crowd and we chatted for a bit. I was able to find Les O'Connor (TheStringMaster) because he's an exhibitor and therefore chained to a fixed location at the Dunlop booth. It's a kick meeting people who, despite having just met them, you could happily yak with for hours.


On Friday night, I had been at the Marriott enjoying free music and overpriced sodas but decided it was getting too crowded. Way too crowded. Crowded like sardines. Deciding to leave was one thing, actually making it to the door 50 feet away turned out to be a grueling 30-minute journey of uncomfortable intimicy with strangers. (Well, they weren't all uncomfortable, some close encounters were rather pleasant. But I apologized to every one of those young ladies.)

When at last freedom was in sight, perhaps 10 feet from the door, I was suddenly accosted by a couple of extremely ah, exuberant, metalheads, one of whom claimed to know me. With my escape so close, I really didn't want to have to stand there screaming "sorry, I just look like Philip Seymour Hoffman". But the metalhead was persistent, and was able to present credible evidence of a prior relationship by screaming at close proximity to my ear (we were directly in front of the stage during a performance).

Sure enough, it turns out I did know him. We'd met at the 2009 show. But at that time, he wasn't decked out like Ozzy Osbourne -- and he was sober. It took a moment for recognition to sink in, but it was (name withheld to protect the inebriated), a fellow SONAR forumite.

Out on the sidewalk we proceeded to have one of those bizarre conversations that only make sense under the influence of large quantities of alcohol. Unfortunately, I don't drink and was therefore unable to follow closely as he enthusiastically enumerated a list of things that ROCK. We gave him something to calm him down.

So to (name withheld), if you have no recollection of this conversation, your buddy took a photo of us on his iPhone. I'm the one with hair.
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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/18 10:16:31 (permalink)
Bit you ROCK! If you ever decide you want to start writing you will win a Pulitzer.  Good stuff.

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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/18 11:01:46 (permalink)
I have to tell you about a presentation I attended on Friday night. It was, by NAMM standards, sparsely attended with perhaps 100 people in an upstairs meeting room at the Hilton. If any single experience qualifies as THE highlight of my trip this year, this was it.

There were actually two presentations. One involved a recording project that paid tribute to synthesizers past and present, a recording of Ravel's Bolero featuring almost every major benchmark synth from the 60's to the present. The other was a screening of a documentary about Harry Chamberlin and the Mellotron, with Q&A afterward with the makers of the documentary and a leading authority on Mellotrons (who was also exhibiting authentic reproductions - at $6500 a pop - at the show).

The Bolero project was done by a fellow named Amin Bhatia. He's a well-known film and TV composer.

You might recall a Roland advertisement from a few years ago that featured a montage of every Roland synth made to date. I remember being fascinated by that ad. So was Amin Bhatia, who hatched the idea of actually recording every one of them in one song. Bolero was a good choice, they way it builds by adding instruments. It took him 4 years to complete, and it is absolutely killer. Not just Roland synths, though - it features every major synth from a 50-year period, including some rarities.

Fortunately, there are people who not only collect these instruments but also keep them in working condition. The project could not have been done without the enthusiastic cooperation of collectors and museum curators.

The release of Bolero Electronica coincided with the birthday of Bob Moog. Moog's daughter Michelle was there to talk about the Bob Moog Foundation and the museum they're putting together. I met Michelle again on Saturday and took a snapshot of her in front of a vintage Minimoog. (She said when she and her brother were kids, their mom called them the "mini-Moogs").

It was fascinating hearing the story of this recording, a truly monumental undertaking. The epic end result is well worth a purchase, and I intend to do so. Proceeds benefit the foundation.

That was followed by a screening of "Mellodrama", a documentary about the history of the Chamberlin and Mellotron instruments. Extremely well-researched. Many of the film's interviewees were in the audience that night. There may not have ever been a bigger concentration of Mellotron experts than that night. Great anecdotes from both the filmmakers and the audience.

The only disappointment: because it was a low-budget film they were unable to license most of the most-significant Mellotron music. It would have been so cool to launch into "In the Court of the Crimson King" over the credits!

More info on the film here. I believe it can be purchased via that link. A must-have for fans of classic keyboards, especially if you happen to own a Mellotron or Chamberlin yourself. Or wish you did.


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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/18 11:37:21 (permalink)
I'm quoting the salesman, who said compromises had to be made because the hardware unit is a dedicated processor and if you treated every user's DAW as a dedicated reverb processor there wouldn't be much steam left over for everything else. It's entirely possible that the coder was able to come up with optimizations the second time around that allow comparable quality with a lower CPU hit.

The salesman was wrong. (shocking, I know!) Lexicon's almost in my backyard and I know some people there. The plugin has one extra reverb algorithm (vintage plate) that the box doesn't have, but all the other reverb algorithms are exactly the same in the plugin and the box--except for bug fixes. And the bugfixes are intended to be rolled into the box at some future date. 

Also, the horsepower issue is wrong. You can run a bunch of instances of the plugin on a decent modern computer, but you only get one box.
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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/18 12:08:58 (permalink)
biyflip keep it coming, id be whereing a shirt that said
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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/18 12:10:55 (permalink)
The salesman was wrong.

Perhaps he's putting a spin on it in an attempt to preempt the obvious question: if the $1500 software is as good as the $4000 hardware, why on earth would anybody buy a PCM96?


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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/18 12:14:38 (permalink)
bitflip should be spoks person for sonar

Well, I did my bit by wearing my new Cakewalk t-shirt on Friday, at one point being mistaken for a CW employee. I'm afraid I wouldn't be a very good spokesman, though, as I'd have to tell them the truth about V-Vocal.


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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/18 12:34:03 (permalink)
The Bolero project was done by a fellow named Amin Bhatia. He's a well-known film and TV composer.



Cheers Bit

Snippets of the Bolero Project are available on Amin Bhatia's my space site.  Worth a listen to get an idea where the final mix will go! http://www.myspace.com/aminbhatia

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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/18 14:34:20 (permalink)

Your NAMM badge dictates how much respect you get. Bottom of the hierarchy is a "V". But this year I was an "N", which may be even lower. I think it stands for "Nobody". But if you have a "B" on your badge, you are treated like royalty. I think next year I will photoshop a "B" onto my badge. Everybody has a badge, even rock stars have their "A" (Artist) badges. But then there's Quincy Jones, who don' need no steenking badge at all.




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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/18 14:35:53 (permalink)
One Two pictures?
One Two pictures? 

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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/18 14:43:18 (permalink)
Well, it IS Q, ol pal.

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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/18 14:55:35 (permalink)
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Maybe I'm not enough of a reverb junkie, but for me Perfect Space works just fine for most things and it's free with SONAR. I think stepping up to Pristine Space might be worthwhile - to get true stereo - and that's only $120. With so many inexpensive reverb options, $1500 just seems like way to much to pay.
If you want to explore "true stereo" reverb without popping for Pristine Space you can try it this way, if you have Jim Roseberry's IR Tools, e.g. ... Create two stereo buses, call 'em something like 'Room Reverb Left' and 'Room Reverb Right'... in RRL bus instantiate Perfect Space with 'Real Room_01' IR and in RRR bus instantiate Perfect Space with 'Real Room_02' IR (this is just an example there are other true stereo impulses in his collection of course).  Direct the output of each bus to the master, panned center.
 
Now in a desired mono audio track, insert sends to each bus and pan the sends appropriately 100% left and 100% right.  If it is a stereo source, use the 'follow track pan' setting on the sends' pans.
 
To my ears, and visually following the meters in buses, etc. this achieves something very close to using the Pristine Space in true stereo mode.
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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/18 14:55:40 (permalink)

Seth giving the standard Session Drummer / Step Sequencer demo. No matter how many times I see these demos, I always manage to learn something new. Seth showed a nifty trick of using the step sequencer to build multiple drum parts and lay them out as track layers. All I ever do with the step sequencer is quick 'n dirty click tracks, which doesn't really do the tool proper justice. It's capable of so much more.


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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/18 14:58:12 (permalink)
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The salesman was wrong.

Perhaps he's putting a spin on it in an attempt to preempt the obvious question: if the $1500 software is as good as the $4000 hardware, why on earth would anybody buy a PCM96?


Presumably the hardware is future-proofed and no further "upgrade costs" can be expected when operating systems change, etc.
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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/18 15:00:27 (permalink)

Willy shows off the new keyboard everybody's yawning over. OK, so a new MIDI keyboard isn't exactly earth-shaking news. But this one has this button:




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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/18 15:01:33 (permalink)
Now yer cookin' Bit.

Keep 'em coming.

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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/18 15:06:45 (permalink)
if the $1500 software is as good as the $4000 hardware, why on earth would anybody buy a PCM96?

Yes, indeed. Why on earth did I buy a PCM96

Well, I didn't pay $4000 for it--not even close-- and I don't have to run an iLok to use it. Plus I've gotten good mileage out of the non-reverb FX.   Really, if not for the iLok, I'd have sold the box and gone native.  But enough of me hijacking your great report!

And you still haven't answered: What color are the Cakewalk T-Shirts? I can't wear black since the studio cat fuzz shows up too well on black.
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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/18 15:16:43 (permalink)

Jackson Browne - note that he has a NAMM badge. And of course, the ubiquitous water bottle which is now a requirement to enter the state of California. You're an obvious tourist if you carry only one. Or perhaps a rock star, in which case you have people to carry your other water bottles for you.


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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/18 15:26:01 (permalink)

Yoko explaining something to one of her henchmen. Note the geeky dude on the right seems particularly uninterested, with a look on his face like a host who's waiting for a tiresome guest to depart.

The next one SHOULD have been a great shot, what with the palm trees and crazed fans reflected in the limo's windows. But at the last moment the alpha goon stepped between me and Yoko.


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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/18 15:26:20 (permalink)
the ubiquitous water bottle which is now a requirement to enter the state of California


The natives are now issued one at birth. Micro-chip implant is optional (on the water bottle).

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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/18 15:42:56 (permalink)
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Your NAMM badge dictates how much respect you get. Bottom of the hierarchy is a "V". But this year I was an "N", which may be even lower. I think it stands for "Nobody". But if you have a "B" on your badge, you are treated like royalty. I think next year I will photoshop a "B" onto my badge. Everybody has a badge, even rock stars have their "A" (Artist) badges. But then there's Quincy Jones, who don' need no steenking badge at all.
 
Bit, don't know if you noticed, but I had a "C" badge this year.  Pretty sure it stands for "Chump".

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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/18 15:43:09 (permalink)
What color are the Cakewalk T-Shirts?

Still black. Just like every other t-shirt being handed out elsewhere at the show. Just like 95% of the attendees. Apparently, red shoes are acceptable, and blue jeans. Aside from that, black appears to be the preferred hip fashion. Dye your hair black. Black eyeliner was common - on chicks, too.



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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/18 15:46:23 (permalink)
Bit, don't know if you noticed, but I had a "C" badge this year. Pretty sure it stands for "Chump".

What exactly does the "C" stand for, anyway? "Cool Dude", perhaps.


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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/18 15:51:23 (permalink)
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Re:Bitflipper's 2010 NAMM Thread 2010/01/18 15:52:02 (permalink)
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Bit, don't know if you noticed, but I had a "C" badge this year. Pretty sure it stands for "Chump".

What exactly does the "C" stand for, anyway? "Cool Dude", perhaps.


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