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Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
Somewhat unexpected, but very deserved. Nice to see a musician get credit on lyric writing.
Also, congrats to US, over twenty years since last literature prize I think.
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
2016/10/13 08:55:20
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Interesting. When I opened this thread I thought he would get it for creative advertising in trying to sell some cheap harmonicas for $25,000. 
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
2016/10/13 08:59:59
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Interesting. When I opened this thread I thought he would get it for creative advertising in trying to sell some cheap harmonicas for $25,000.
Damn, I had forgotten about that set. Should have connected topic to that of course. Maybe he can lower the price now. 
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
2016/10/13 09:06:26
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The Nobel committee should have thought twice, 'cause this is not all right.
A prize given in 2016 could better represent work done in or around the year 2016. ?
Otherwise, wait until next year, when the 2017 Nobel for Literature goes to the guy who painted on the caves at Lascaux.
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
2016/10/13 09:16:27
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2016/10/13 09:19:06
I sure hope he doesn't develop an over inflated ego.
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
2016/10/13 09:22:48
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A prize given in 2016 could better represent work done in or around the year 2016. ?
That's not how they normally do it. None of the Nobel prizes (with the possible exception of the peace prize) seems concerned with how "current" the "work" of the winner are. I think that's a good thing, there's enough prizes and contests that have that perspective. I think the prize winners have to be alive when being chosen, but that's about it. I'm not an expert on this, but that's how I understand it. Anyway, I think it's nice that song lyrics gets some recognition from the academy. Don't think that has happened before.
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
2016/10/13 09:25:35
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With the $1M prize he can probably now lower the price on the harmonicas.
To $24.999.99.
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
2016/10/13 09:30:07
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/10/13 09:31:20
I thought that's how they initially got the $1m prize money......they sold (at least) 40 harmonicas?
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/10/13 09:31:26
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With the $1M prize he can probably now lower the price on the harmonicas.
To $24.999.99.
Have you canceled the order until that happens?
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
2016/10/13 09:31:49
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bapu
With the $1M prize he can probably now lower the price on the harmonicas.
To $24.999.99.
Have you canceled the order until that happens?
I could but I think I'll just ask for a refund.
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
2016/10/13 09:31:55
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2016/10/13 09:41:24
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I thought that's how they initially got the $1m prize money......they sold (at least) 40 harmonicas?
Might be how he got to the academy...
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
2016/10/13 10:33:29
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The Nobel committee should have thought twice, 'cause this is not all right.
A prize given in 2016 could better represent work done in or around the year 2016. ?
Otherwise, wait until next year, when the 2017 Nobel for Literature goes to the guy who painted on the caves at Lascaux.
That would be incorrect. The prize is usually given to a person with a strong record for their work. Bob, would certainly fit the bill, and 100 years from now, folks will probably list him with Robert Frost, EE Cummings, Waldo Emerson, and the like ... and not even realize, or recognize he also used these words with music. It would also be a major finger and the like to a lot of the music business and the fame business. And how incorrect and inappropriate the media was when they panned him for walking on stage with an electric guitar some 50 years ago, was it?
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
2016/10/13 12:34:30
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emeraldsoul
The Nobel committee should have thought twice, 'cause this is not all right.
A prize given in 2016 could better represent work done in or around the year 2016. ?
Otherwise, wait until next year, when the 2017 Nobel for Literature goes to the guy who painted on the caves at Lascaux.
The policy of the Nobel committee is to forget about today until tomorrow.
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
2016/10/13 12:46:49
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Moshkito
It would also be a major finger and the like to a lot of the music business and the fame business. And how incorrect and inappropriate the media was when they panned him for walking on stage with an electric guitar some 50 years ago, was it?
Not really anything to do with 'the media'...a section of the audience at the Newport Festival 'booed' Dylan when he played with an electric band for the first time. There is a suggestion that they were upset at the poor sound quality and the brevity of his set, not by his electric guitar. Ewan McColl and a couple of other purist 'folkies' criticised Dylan for going electric though.
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
2016/10/13 13:06:59
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Not really anything to do with 'the media'...a section of the audience at the Newport Festival 'booed' Dylan when he played with an electric band for the first time. There is a suggestion that they were upset at the poor sound quality and the brevity of his set, not by his electric guitar. Ewan McColl and a couple of other purist 'folkies' criticised Dylan for going electric though.
I'm one to believe that those now blaming the sound are revisionists who altered their story after Dylan's trajectory changed rather decidedly in a positive way. And a few days after Newport Bob recorded the caustic Positively 4th Street leading to speculation that it was at least in part a reaction to the Village crowd that had turned on him. Bob being Bob will of course never tell though.
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
2016/10/13 17:03:58
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2016/10/13 18:47:57
Well, his work certainly impressed a lot of people in my generation. But I disagree about how long his work will last. Most likely he will be forgotten like ee cumings as a minor poet who hit it big with something quirky. Of course as far as influence on the general public and income from his poetry, he will dwarf amateurs like Robert Frost, Walt Whitman and George Gordon Byron. I think most of us could name several songwriters who have written better poetry. This may be the literature equivalent of awarding the Nobel Peace Prize to Barack Obama, in recognizing a popular figure of limited accomplishment in the field in hopes that it may make the field, if not the prize, somehow relevant. Still Mr. Zimmerman may have a legacy as the inventor of the folk-rap genre.
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
2016/10/13 17:22:28
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While I do appreciate Dylan and his contribution and love many of his songs and texts, I think this is b.s. You have to put things into perspective. But in a day and age where pop culture is the only culture, perspective is lacking, so it does make sense I suppose.
Up next: Burger King gets the Global Gastronomy award.
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
2016/10/13 17:36:40
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Anyone who compares Dylan to Burger King ain't gonna win any prizes for their literacy. Just sayin'...
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
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☄ Helpfulby drewfx1 2016/10/14 12:28:33
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Anyone who compares Dylan to Burger King ain't gonna win any prizes for their literacy. Just sayin'...
Anyone who fails to grasp the jest either. Also just saying...
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
2016/10/13 18:47:47
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Well, his work certainly impressed a lot of people in my generation. But I disagree about how long his work will last. Most likely he will be forgotten like ee cumings as a minor poet who hit it big with something quirky. Of course as far as influence on the general public and income from his poetry, he will dwarf amateurs like Robert Frost, Walt Whitman and George Gordon Byron. I think most of us could name several songwriters who have written better poetry. This may be the literature equivalent of awarding the Nobel Peace Prize to Barack Obama, in recognizing a popular figure of limited accomplishment in the field in hopes that it may make the field, if not the prize, somehow relevant. Still Mr. Zimmerman may have a legacy as the inventor of the folk-rap genre.
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
2016/10/13 19:40:47
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Give next year's Nobel Literature prize to Slartabartfast for his post.
And, a harmonica.
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
2016/10/13 23:30:03
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Well, his work certainly impressed a lot of people in my generation. But I disagree about how long his work will last. Most likely he will be forgotten like ee cumings as a minor poet who hit it big with something quirky. Of course as far as influence on the general public and income from his poetry, he will dwarf amateurs like Robert Frost, Walt Whitman and George Gordon Byron. I think most of us could name several songwriters who have written better poetry. This may be the literature equivalent of awarding the Nobel Peace Prize to Barack Obama, in recognizing a popular figure of limited accomplishment in the field in hopes that it may make the field, if not the prize, somehow relevant. Still Mr. Zimmerman may have a legacy as the inventor of the folk-rap genre.
Elvis will win for physics next year when his quantum soul is bottled and sold , finally. That or some jack..will win for economics after doing a study about it.
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
2016/10/14 00:08:39
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Keith Richards will win in the field of medicine for proving that the body can remain animated years after it has died. 
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
2016/10/20 11:08:03
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Keith Richards will win in the field of medicine for proving that the body can remain animated years after it has died.
Better yet, and although he has passed on ... in the VH1 series behind the music or something like it, some 25 years ago, they did that one on David Bowie and he has a great quote in there ... what was the reason for his longevity and ability to do so much work? ... and his answer ... "A GOOD doctor!" So Keith probably has the best ones around ... which doesn't say much for a few other folks?
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
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Hi,
Weird to see some of the negative comments on Bob Dylan.
As a writer, he never gave up and always continued to create more and more poems, that were presented as songs. We, as a country, do not appreciate a lot of literature, beyond the pulp fiction stuff and heroes stuff that you are fed by the film community, which breaks apart the literary value of a lot of things, while also creating havoc with our ability to read something and appreciate it for what it is.
If you publish all of his songs, he probably has more material than half the poets that we know in history ... and while it might not have the fancy rhymes ... well, those went out the window some 100 years ago, anyway ... so it's a bit weird to see his work not appreciated.
The same thing would go for others, like Peter Hammill that has an incredible library of words in song, and others like Roy Harper ... but since we are into pop music, and not the work itself, the likelihood of anyone noticing that ... is gone ... totally gone.
Bob is not my "favorite" by any stretch of the imagination, but the amount of work, and the continuity of his own honesty with his own work, is not any different than any major writer in any literary field ... of which the material for songs is now also being appreciated, and I want to say ... IT'S ABOUT TIME!
I'm really tired of "my generation" being thought of as bums and not capable of creating very good artistic work ... our generation that covers the 1950's, 1960's and 1970's specially, will probably be remembered as one of the most important creative movements in artistic history for the 20th century.
We just have to stop thinking it's all just pop musiK! (Heck, even some of Mozart, was considered that for a long time, until it was changed and censored from its bar originals!)
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
2016/10/20 13:39:51
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Moshkito
Hi,
Weird to see some of the negative comments on Bob Dylan.
I suspect part of it might be that it's hard to evaluate someone as famous as Bob Dylan. Everyone who has heard a subset of his songs on the radio thinks they "know" his work. And in his case, his work varies from stream of consciousness wordplay to carefully constructed reflection to straightforward stories to deep and mysterious to "what the?".
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
2016/10/21 10:43:45
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Moshkito
Hi,
Weird to see some of the negative comments on Bob Dylan.
I suspect part of it might be that it's hard to evaluate someone as famous as Bob Dylan. Everyone who has heard a subset of his songs on the radio thinks they "know" his work. And in his case, his work varies from stream of consciousness wordplay to carefully constructed reflection to straightforward stories to deep and mysterious to "what the?".
Oh my ... so Steinbeck and Hemingway not withstanding ... To me, and perhaps because I was born in a house with 40K books of literature, I have an appreciation for the "words", a lot more than many folks. To me, and you have to think about this a bit, there were/are MANY MANY MANY rock/folk/country/rap (you name it!) music writers that were far better than many of those folks listed in that library ... and my love for the artistic/musical work will always be there, even when I'm gone, and no one cares anymore and the dust in the universe just continues to move. And this is exactly what happened, for example, when I gave my dad Tomita's "Snowflakes are Dancing" ... and he thought it was "cute", which was his way of saying it was not serious music. And a month later he finally admitted, after listening to some Stockhausen and Davies, that maybe there was something to Tomita, and he came back and apologized ... in my book, many of us are just looking at pop music, not within a larger context ... and in that larger context, love it or hate it, Bob belongs. As do many others! Now we will see a song with some cynicism about that ... can't call it blonde on blonde anymore. Poem on poem? Words on words?
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
2016/10/21 11:03:58
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/10/21 12:21:26
Hmm... I don't recall hearing either Steinbeck or Hemingway play guitar or harmonica. They probably weren't talented enough. 
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
2016/10/21 12:21:15
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Moshkito
To me, and perhaps because I was born in a house with 40K books of literature,
REALLY!!!???!!!! We never knew that about you.
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Re: Bob Dylan just got the Nobel prize in literature
2016/10/21 12:23:06
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I heard they (Nobel Committee/Academy) are having difficulty finding Bob to give him his prize. Stephen Colbert suggested they look at his tour schedule and meetup at one of his shows. 
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