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Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
Couple things, First I'd like to know how to sync the drum machine to sonar. I've tried a few things, getting frustrated. I can hear drums in Sonar when I play the dr-880 but can't sync the unit to sonar. Secondly, the dr-880 also has bass guitar sounds in midi channel 2 along with the drums. But I just hear a piano sound. I'd like to be able to change the patch to a bass guitar. Anyone dealt with this?
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/06/27 23:25:06
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to change the bass you need to insert a bass synth(cakewalks studio instruments/bass guitar is perfect for this. but to be honest you would better far with a keyboard or the piano roll. those bass accompanyments <<that, are great. as for synching its easy. but first you need to explain what you want to do here ..is sonar the master or the slave? have you set up your drum machine to send midi signals? if you dont then this isnt going to work. its not about MMC is about midi synch. under PROJECT in the preference menu,select MIDI. look over to the right and you see the part where it says "SEND MIDI SYNCH" ?? you need to check the first two boxes: (TRANSMIT MIDI START/STOP and USE START NEVER CONTINUE.) also the menu on this part has a section where your drum machine must be checked( a tick mark ) youll see it,depending on the devices you are pluging in it may only have your drum machine and your audio interface, make sure the drum machine is the only one checked or sonar will go bananas looking for other data and will possibly crash. thats it,dont go messing with any other buttons or anything. simple. but make a note so when your done,you know which buttons to switch back,butcause you need to un tick the boxes when your done synching because heres what happens. when you hit the start button in sonar,your drum machine will begin playback. what you need to do is experiment a little bit. because not for nothing what is simple for some is a little indepth for others. midi signal doesnt send any sound,so your bass is just an impulse and nothing more,its not a sound,sonar could care less about what your sound is,thats up to you to determine. so think of it like that. here comes an impulse...what are you going to do?? well set up the catcher mit and catch it with a bass synth instrument. P.S.- you cant do the bass and the drums at the same time so make sure when your sending your midi data from your drum machine to sonar your not sending both(drums and bass midi) because even though the bass is an instrument,its still going to send impulses and those will make sonar think you want these impulses as drum parts...so you will have drums flying every where. remeber set up your drum machine to send midi messages. if you are already using the machine with session drummer or something,then it should already be sending them. it might be worth it to mention in the drop down list in the track box look for your drum machines drum map,sonar comes with alot of drum maps already in memory. do your drum track,then your bass track. by making sonar the master like i have explained here your tracks will line up perfectly and you will love your life....and me for giving you this in depth tutorial on midi.
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/06/27 23:38:49
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That's a great tutorial. I also have a DR880 and never could figure out how to use the MIDI function. I'll have to give it another try with this info. I have always directly and separately recorded the drum and bass tracks as audio and simply moved the tracks to align later. It's easy if you record the intro clicks. I got pretty good at starting the drums on time by listening to the metronome on Sonar. But then I can't use the Sonar drum sets with that. I'd be interested to hear if the OP gets it going.
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/06/28 17:43:06
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see this is what really kills me,someone asks for help and then just leaves. i wrote a whole chapter up there helping this guy and either he read it and didnt give his appreciation,or doesnt plan on responding. a small message for the newbies here. if you ask for help on something,at least be here within the first 8 hours or so to respond with a thank you or another question. all done here.
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/06/28 18:28:35
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Well I appreciated it. Thanks again.
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/06/29 01:57:41
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m-glenn, thanks alot buddy. tell you what set it up when your ready and if you need any help. please feel free to let me know and ill walk you through it. i used to do the audio thing as well but things got out of time and were never dead on the beats. this way all your beats and measures line up with the time line which makes it easier for editing later,lassoing clips,slip editing,exc. you can still write all your parts on the drum machine,but if you let sonar be the master,it will sound so much tighter in the end.
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/06/29 06:07:34
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I have the DR880 too. It's easiest to use X1 as master, and the DR by default is in auto sync mode (if you start DR first, it's master, otherwise it will listen to midi sync). You just have to configure X1 midi preference exactly as highlighted by chuckebaby. DR also respond to Song Position Pointer (SPP) at the midi preference. Getting this option checked will be handy if you start X1 in the middle of the song and DR will chase to that location to begin playback. I found the DR work best if you insert an empty bar at the beginning of the song mode if you like to sync X1/DR (DR playback, record into X1), so DR may catch up when X1 starts. If not, the very first hit may sometimes sound off.
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/06/29 10:36:23
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Good stuff. Thanks again. I'm going to try this again but it's going to take a while because I need an interface. I returned the little 1X usb interface I had due to latency issues with my guitar synth that folks here couldn't solve. A few felt it was the cheap interface's issue. I'm using a BR800 as an audio interface but it has no MIDI. I'm going to buy a better MIDI interface and try again. I'm kinda stuck at that point not knowing what to get. Would a small MIDI keyboard work as an interface for both the DR880 and my GR20 guitar synth? I'd want to be able to use keys for input too as most of the MIDI instruction I've seen suggests Sonar is set up for keys.
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/06/29 11:06:08
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M_Glenn_M I'm going to buy a better MIDI interface and try again. I'm kinda stuck at that point not knowing what to get. Would a small MIDI keyboard work as an interface for both the DR880 and my GR20 guitar synth? The DR 880 usb cable can also be used for midi to X1 direct, so can work without having to wait for the midi interface. You do need to install the DR USB midi driver for this to be enabled, as well as selecting a midi setup from the DR menu to enable USB midi. However, you cannot connect the GR20 to DR (via regular midi) and use the USB midi from DR to X1, because the DR midi only works either as USB midi or regular midi. You can get a midi keyboard controller for the GR20 - I think most controller with midi in/out connection allows additional midi in, to be pass through. Mixing multiple midi interface is possible. For example, I'm using the M-audio midi sport 4x4, together with my Quad Capture midi at the same time and Sonar see all of them.
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/06/29 11:17:31
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Duh! Thanks for that. I didn't know I could go direct from the DR! (RTFM right?) I only started exploring midi setups because of the GR 20 I'm going to try this, this weekend. Cool. I'll still get an interface too. I need to get my head around MIDI.
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/06/29 12:13:41
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Hi Chuckebaby, I really apprecitate your help believe me. I just am so caught up in working that I won't be able to get back to sonar for a few days...It is really much appreciated...thank you. I will keep you updated on my progress and will be back for more help I'm sure....dotonemanband
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/06/29 12:16:46
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my bad on not responding sooner...lessons learned as a newbie....won't happen again....
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/06/30 21:09:59
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tomixornot I have the DR880 too. It's easiest to use X1 as master, and the DR by default is in auto sync mode (if you start DR first, it's master, otherwise it will listen to midi sync). You just have to configure X1 midi preference exactly as highlighted by chuckebaby. DR also respond to Song Position Pointer (SPP) at the midi preference. Getting this option checked will be handy if you start X1 in the middle of the song and DR will chase to that location to begin playback. I found the DR work best if you insert an empty bar at the beginning of the song mode if you like to sync X1/DR (DR playback, record into X1), so DR may catch up when X1 starts. If not, the very first hit may sometimes sound off. good stuff tomi,i do the same thing with adding a one or two bar gap at the begining of my pieces. it gives it that second or two to let the signals flow for everything to be right on time.
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/07/08 10:17:09
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Do you add the 1 or 2 bar gap within X1 or within the DR880? I know you can put a count in on the DR880 before recording begins, but I am not sure this is what you guys are referring to. I appreciate the info here I have learned something I have been trying to figure out...I too am not to slick with MIDI, as I have done mostly audio...Thanks guys! David
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/07/08 10:39:40
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Just to be clear about what I am wanting to do...and do it the best way, so I am very open to ideas here from experienced users...I want to do the construction and writing of the parts within the DR880...then I would like to be able to record those parts into X1, but use SD3 kits as apposed to the DR880...what I cannot figure out is how to get the DR and x1 synced up so I can just hit record and it records all the drum data into X1...if I am not making sense here please let me know and I will be more detailed...thanks again!
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/07/08 11:22:01
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Nevermind...I got it all by myself...
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/07/09 20:41:09
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Thanks to Chuckebaby for the help. I'm now able to setup sonar to be the master to the dr and that's great. Can anyone explain how to adjust the volume for the midi drum track on sonar. I can adjust my guitar, etc. but the midi drum track slider is at a constant level. Not sure what to do...
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/07/10 01:23:14
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So do you have a lot more control over the quality and kit choices converting to midi and using the Sonar synths? I have always just recorded various samples as audio from the DR880 and patched them together (it's pretty quick) but only get a stereo track out of that, and only the samples that the DR880 has.
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/07/10 06:24:05
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@ M_Glenn_M ---I have always recorded audio samples as you, but I am kinda stepping out and trying something foreign to me(MIDI), so I can't give an intelligent answer to your question...I do like the sound of some of the kits in SD3 as opposed to the DR, but that is just preference. It also could be the fact, that I am kinda burned on the DR's tones and am just looking for something fresh and new...I guess time will tell! Do you insert a 1 or 2 bar measure like I have read a little about here? Is this in reference to X1 or within the DR...I'm a little confused...lol David
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/07/10 12:00:30
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I hope we can stay in touch on this as I am also just considering the baffling world of MIDI. I do include a bar or two (I just include the intro clicks) but I just highlight the whole thing and move it to position if necessary. If I need to time it with existing tracks, I start the Sonar Recording and hit Start on the DR at the right time (listening to the 4 beat intro metronome on Sonar as cue) as the DR has no latency. I've also used it real-time with the pads for the odd bongo, crash or hand clap.
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/07/10 12:34:11
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Well, it appears we do some of the same things...this seems to be a BIG world, so I am looking forward to getting home from work and diving in again...I'm on here fairly frequently, so I am quite sure out paths will cross from time to time...I will always be glad to help when I can, as well...cheers!
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/07/12 08:49:52
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I've created a midi track and the DR-880 is coming thru at full volume but I've no control over the sound level or able to record. In the midi devices it doesn't show up as I've seen on the cakewalk video. Not sure what to do, any advice out there? thanks in advance
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/07/12 09:56:01
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Can you give some more information as to how you have things setup within X1 as well as the DR? Could be a number of things...
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/07/12 17:44:29
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I have a roland cakewalk ua-25 audioface, midi in/out from the dr-880. I'm getting a midi drum sound when I create a midi track. Just no way to control it, no volume control, etc. Not sure what you mean by how I have things setup within the x1. Could you be more specific? Thanks very much for your help....Kinda new at this, lots to learn...whew...
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/07/12 18:05:20
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I use the DR-880, but use the USB port. I downloaded the latest 64 bit win7 drivers on 7-9-2012. NO problem what so ever! I usually run a Cakewalk CAL routine to seperate the MIDI notes to seperate tracks, from there, I can use automation on a "per note" basis. This gives me individual control of "the kits" note levels when using "velocity". Any volume changes on midi CH 10, of course, scales the whole midi channel for all notes, but using "velocity" helps tame a single percussion instrument to fit better in the mix. If you can, try the USB interface on the DR-880. I had good results this week. take care Don Belisle _________________________________________________ ACER i5, Q6600 desktop, XP SP3 and Win 7 home edition MOTU Ultralite III, X1D -w- all PC updates.
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/07/12 19:59:46
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Hmmmm....I might be trying this USB thing myself...and I'm sorry I can't be of more help as I am also learning this thing called MIDI as well. Are you trying to record what the DR is playing or are you using it to trigger a drum synth, such as SD3?
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/07/12 21:52:50
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I've added a midi track with sonar x1 for the dr-880 drum machine and also have some audio tracks for guitar, vocal, etc. I have control with the audio tracks, volume, record, effects, etc. The midi track is coming thru with the dr-880 and triggers a drum patch that I can hear but only at full volume. The main problem is I can't control the midi volume by using the faders but no problem with controlling the audio tracks. This is where I'm stumped. Haven't thought about using the usb. Not sure how that works, guess I'll have to experiment. Thanks for any help I've received...
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/07/12 22:38:55
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Check your DR 880 setting to enable receiving midi volume data (Edit - Midi - Setting - Rx Midi Vol (on/off).
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/07/13 05:27:42
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I, too, believe the issue is with your DR...definitely check that you have MIDI Volume Data enabled...
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Re:Boss Dr-880 Sonar x1
2012/07/13 08:45:06
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Thanks for helping me this. I did change the setting to "on" awhile back. Just checked it again and it is "on". Still not able to adjust the volume. As chuckebaby described above I do click the "transmit midi start/stop" and "use start never continue" in order to get the drums to come thru on sonar. Also I have to change the input to "2-microsoft wavetable synth" in order to hear the drums as well...but still nothing as far as controlling the volume. Kinda frustrating...(when in sonar I edit-preferences-midi devices- it shows "input ua-25ex" and "output ua-25ex" and "2-wavetable synth"... no mention of drum machine but I'm assuming what is showing up on behalf of the dr.880 is the ua-25ex...as that's what the midi input output is going thru) just thought I'd mention that....again...thanks for the assistance...I'll keep at it...
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