This same stuff was here a month ago with the video. Maybe it's unfair to say that this is how she sounds without digital enhancement, isn't it, because when you're doing playback you're not even supposed to try.

Let's be honest: The kids that have gotten through from the Mickey Mouse clubs and such with incredible competition do have talent, no-one can deny it. How they keep it up and develop it is another story.

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Not sure that Spears and Corgan are really different people. 

Know Know Know

Billy Corgan did tons of great songs with a band I really liked.  Plus he was with Smashing Pumpkins.

Don't recognize the girl (I'm pop-culturally-limited), but I love the shirt... say it like it is!

Isn't that Madge?

space_cowboy


Sorry - not half dolla - it is four bits. 

Shouldn't that be called a nibble then? 

What always slays me is when "the media" starts debating whether someone is using on-stage pitch correction and/or singing to a track.  Like Charly Sheen might say, "Duh, faking!!".  I remember there was a kerfluffal when Pink (??) sang at the grammys while suspended in air in a harness plus doin dance moves before that.  There were actually people who swore she wasn't lip syncing.  Even if you are in great shape...like Britney in that video...you are going to be "gulping air"  as you do your routine.  This IS NOT conducive to singing properly or maintaining pitch.  I would suspect that every major (or minor wannabe) artist is ALWAYS singing through a pitch corrector or to backing tracks these days...EVEN IF THEY ARE KILLER F*$#ING SINGERS...and not just really mediocre, like Britney.  Especially if they are doing dance routines.  I used to be in a "show" group that did "heavy" choreography during our one hour shows.  We did not have these tools.  We were very good.  But I cringe when I hear playback from our old shows.  However, the audience apparently neither heard nor cared.

What was that noise.  I thought I heard something...but...no, sorry...must've been mistaken.

...if that was one of my daughters that you started a topic about and I ran across you comment, I would not be so kind with my comments.

I agree, Noize, trash talk is the lowest kind of discourse. Still, I stand behind my only comment in this thread:
"Here's what Britney Spears sounds like without digital enhancement."

bitflipper

...if that was one of my daughters that you started a topic about and I ran across you comment, I would not be so kind with my comments.

I agree, Noize, trash talk is the lowest kind of discourse. Still, I stand behind my only comment in this thread:
"Here's what Britney Spears sounds like without digital enhancement."

Wow! How do her video's have millions of hits on youtube?

Bub

bitflipper

...if that was one of my daughters that you started a topic about and I ran across you comment, I would not be so kind with my comments.

I agree, Noize, trash talk is the lowest kind of discourse. Still, I stand behind my only comment in this thread:
"Here's what Britney Spears sounds like without digital enhancement."

Wow! How do her video's have millions of hits on youtube?

I'd answer that but it would fall on deaf ears.

Serious Noize!

bitflipper

...if that was one of my daughters that you started a topic about and I ran across you comment, I would not be so kind with my comments.

I agree, Noize, trash talk is the lowest kind of discourse. Still, I stand behind my only comment in this thread:
"Here's what Britney Spears sounds like without digital enhancement."

I apologize if I come across as a smart mouthed hoodlum bitflipper.  That was not my intention at all, your right about the digital enhancement no doubt about that. This is why I don't listen to modern radio anymore.

Is it just me Bit, or has everything on the radio become a loop fest where when you go to see these shows that even though there is a guitarist there, they are using pedals with loops saved on them?

I saw this for the first time years ago, the last concert I went to which featured Cinderella/Winger/Bullet Boys, When Winger played kip winger was playing bass and then started clapping his hands and it was so obvious that they were using tapes it just made the show suck even more. Cinderella on the other hand was great, but ironically in that same show their bass player made an error on one important not on their song the last into. and their entire band looked at him like he ruined everything. Oh well, I just like people to actually play their music live instead of watch them dance or sing karaoke.

Uh ...

bitflipper


Here's what Britney Spears sounds like without digital enhancement.

Hey bit, do you think they really use as much digital enhancement as we think? It has always been my understanding that all those types of acts that have major dancing going on, are also using pre-recorded vocal tracks from the actual album in line with the performance. The reason I say that, when you hear most of these types of bands perform, you usually don't hear major auto-tune artifacts taking place.
 
Yeas ago, we used to use this thing called a Garfield Box. Remember those? They worked well until you had a problem and the wrong back up vocals would come out of nowhere while playing a tune. LOL!!
 
I'm not sticking up for Brit here...but any of you that have tried to dance like she does and sing at the same time....whew, it sure ain't easy even with a wireless headset. I've done it a few times as a goof....halloween parties etc or if I'm tanked up pretty good and out doing kareoke...that is some hard stuff even when you're faking it like I'd do once in a while. That dance/sing at the same time stuff is brutal and I see no way anyone can not be breathy and pitchy while doing it. So breathy and pitchy that I believe auto-tune or digital enhancement would make it sound even worse because it wouldn't know what to make of the signal coming in, don't you think?

I repeat my post #31 and add...

We here on the forum should somehow know how hard the entertainment busines is.
Some who are succesfull are victimized by it one way, some the other.

One thing's for sure: 98% of the ones who hit the big time in the big countries have talents that most of us don't have. The merciless competition takes care of it. Either they are good movers and tolerable singers or vice versa, or they are born entertainers, filled with charm, they're maybe poor singers but make great songs, or something.

Then there are the few who are not good at anything but are interesting in an unexplained way. In small countries "the limits are more flexible", the more participants, the tougher it gets.

And kids like Britney, like I said, who have been competing with other talented kids in Mickey Mouse club and such since she was a toddler have surely proven that they have something the others don't (which does NOT mean there aren't others equally good or better, who have not succeeded).

Kalle Rantaaho


I repeat my post #31 and add...

We here on the forum should somehow know how hard the entertainment busines is.
Some who are succesfull are victimized by it one way, some the other.

One thing's for sure: 98% of the ones who hit the big time in the big countries have talents that most of us don't have. The merciless competition takes care of it. Either they are good movers and tolerable singers or vice versa, or they are born entertainers, filled with charm, they're maybe poor singers but make great songs, or something.

Then there are the few who are not good at anything but are interesting in an unexplained way. In small countries "the limits are more flexible", the more participants, the tougher it gets.

And kids like Britney, like I said, who have been competing with other talented kids in Mickey Mouse club and such since she was a toddler have surely proven that they have something the others don't (which does NOT mean there aren't others equally good or better, who have not succeeded).

Well said Kalle. The other side of the coin has to be considered as well though. I'm not one that ever hates on people who are successful even if I'm not totally down with that they do. That said, even though we all know Brit has certainly worked hard to get where she is, she has also had things that make seal her fate in a good way that many people don't know about.
 
For example, you take an attractive young lady, you vocal coach her, you hire a top choreographer, an image consultant, a marketer and then create an image for her. From there, you have writers close to your camp that have a wide array of songs that are hand-picked especially for her. These songs, when recorded, have the producer right there with her telling her how to sing each line...line at a time. There were a few videos circulating that showed this exact procedure. All of the above said, how do you fail? You simply don't because you have too much push and investment behind you.
 
There is no doubt in my mind she works hard. I've never been close to the success she has been fortunate enough to see, but I've tasted a bit of what it's like. The schedule alone as well as not having your life as you know it is worthy of praise alone. Add in the dedication (or fear of breeching your contract as well) and it's really an intense and most of all, an athletic job too. When I think about all of the above, the musical side of me just views a dancer with a pretty face and sculpted body. The hooks of hers in the past, were not hers. Someone created them, she sang the stuff like a puppet on strings. You'll see and hear for yourself if we can find the video's I'm talking about.
 
When you are record company manufactured, and millions have been spent on your creation, the margain of error/failure is VERY slim. One must question the true talent in that being that first and formost, you are supposed to be a singer. If we took away the hott bod, the pretty face and the producer crafted lines, the song-writers, the choreographers and all that goes on behind the scenes with this particular artist, what would we really have left?
 
Again, this is not meant to be a bash on Brit because like her or hate her, I feel she has her place and I DO respect what she's done. I just can't totally see the talent coming from HER just like I'd never give Becky Black praise as "talented" as much as I love the hook in her video.
 
There are 2 ways to look at this. From the entertainment side that caters to the masses and the musicians that may say "Brit is supposed to be a singer...she sings fair...I would think her voice has a much lower % as her reason for her success." and they would be quite correct in my opinion. Make sense at all?