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Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
I installed a couple of new Pro channel modules, however X2 wouldn't see them.
It turns out the Pro channels won't register in X2 unless VST scanning is enabled under preferences.
Since when does a Pro Channel module become a VST plugin :-). Guess cake needs to label this properly under preferences - I shall report a bug...!
One of those things when it's easy when you've jumped over the hoop... I post here in case somebody has the same issue one day.
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/11/30 19:54:07
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Pro Channel modules are VST plugins.
They just made it so they only work in the PC.
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/11/30 20:10:21
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There is no need to autoscan VSTs to have the ProChannel stuff show up. I have had autoscan turned off since installing X2 and have successfully installed several PC modules since. Of course, you do have to manually run the scan to have them show up. The Plugin Manager silently adds the VSTInternalPath to the list of folders to scan.
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/11/30 20:11:42
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> Pro Channel modules are VST plugins. They just made it so they only work in the PC.
They've made it so it only works in Sonar (Pro channel modules don't work in Pro Tools for PC does it?), and these plugins must have different hook in points within the software that VSt's don't use.
If what you wrote was true I'd be able to get the Pro channel PC4K modules to work within the FX bin, and more to the point I'd be able to get a VST plugin to behave like a Pro channel module would I not?
Cheers..
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/11/30 20:27:33
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/11/30 20:41:24
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I'm afraid they are still labeling Pro Channel modules as VST's.... still a bug then. They just need to change the labels under the VST settings to make it clearer, functionality will be the same afterwards.
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/11/30 20:47:55
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As Bub mention, they are using VST2.4 modified to run exclusively in the Prochannel. Again, the issue you experienced is already addressed in the knowledge base. Call it a bug if it makes you happy.
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/11/30 20:57:07
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I call it a trivial bug with a documented workaround :). Change the terminology and behavior slightly, and this is what you get. Cheers... :).
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/11/30 21:00:57
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/11/30 21:24:41
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Sorry my generosity is not documented. I suggest you log the issue with Cakewalk. Maybe they will provide a workaround.
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/11/30 21:26:41
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Nah, but I do agree that is is a sorry state of affairs when one does not bother to consult the knowledge base before reporting bugs to the vendor.
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/11/30 21:28:00
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CakeAlexS
I call it a trivial bug with a documented workaround :). Change the terminology and behavior slightly, and this is what you get. Cheers... :).
Exactly. They're largely based on VST API's because..why reinvent the wheel? However, they are also customized to work in a specific fashion within the Sonar environment. They all fit perfectly within the strip. Likely, there's also some custom additions to it's API to take allow for optimal performance under Sonar, which wouldn't be possible if they stuck strictly to the VST standard. So - they're probably enough different that they can't be classified as compliant VST, even though they use a lot its mechanisms.
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/11/30 21:40:07
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Scook you are becoming like a character in a dead parrot sketch. Please read the thread again, esp the first post whereby you would have read that I already had found the solution. Note just because something is documented in a knowledge base does not make it any less a bug. IT IS A DOCUMENTED WORKAROUND. Ever worked in a QA dept? No? I shall write you out a test case. STEPS a) Start Cakewalk b) Goto Edit Preferences c) Goto VST Settings Expected:
VST scan options should also contain the terminology "Pro channel". It should be labelled alongside labels that contains the words "VST". Actual VST terminology everwhere, no mention of pro channel. Workaround Assume VST settings and Pro channel settings are one and the same (as partially documented in knowledge base). Now shhh it....
post edited by CakeAlexS - 2012/11/30 21:53:27
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/11/30 21:45:14
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The OP is incorrect. There is no requirement to have the preferences set in any particular way. You failed to run the required VST scan to finish the installation. Call it a "DOCUMENTED WORKAROUND" if you wish.
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/11/30 21:48:35
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As per my previous (edited) post Mr "This Parrot is still alive"...
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/11/30 21:49:26
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All they need to do is either document the need for a scan in the add-on's papers, or have the install force a scan on the next run of Sonar, if that's possible. 
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/11/30 22:06:52
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Clever boy Alex. I gave more credit than I should have. Why so aggressively modify your posts? Don't you think they should stand on their own and add an additional post if necessary. Thanks anyway for the modified posting adding a test case. Not only generous, condescending too. What a great combination.
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/11/30 22:13:25
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Read post 8 where it began. Why assume I'm editing after I read your posts. Whatever...
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/12/01 00:53:38
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How is it a bug? They are VSTs. There is no work around needed. The problem is the OP did not know they were VSTs and didn't do a scan. If auto scan had been on the OP would have never known about then being VSTs and no post would have been made.
The title is wrong.
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/12/01 02:26:52
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But are they VST's? That all depends on just how tightly or loosely you want to adhere to a definition. VSTs are nothing more than .dlls with prescribed interfaces and behaviors in one view. And folks have been do run-time scanning to identify .dll based application plug-ins long before Steinberg came on the scene. Might as well ask how many angels fit on the head of a pin. "What we have here, is a failure to communicate" 
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/12/01 03:40:58
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I have autoscan off as well.
Whenever I install 3rd party instrument/fx or a PC module, I know I need to rescan to pick it up, since it's new to my system.
Never really cared that the Plug-In Manager rescan button says "Scan VST Plugins", I just knew clicking it will pick up what I just installed.
Whether a PC effect is a vst or not seems pretty moot - it's a new plugin and I just scan it.
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/12/01 04:03:40
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It’s true to say that cake has omitted to state that you need to Scan VST Plugins, but really…
Thankyou so much! This thread has been one of the most comical ever; please excuse me while I wipe the tears of laughter from my eyes.
We could make a “Faulty Towers” episode out of this tread entitled “”Petulant Frenzy”
Let me introduce you to the cast…
Starring… CakeAlexS… as Basil Fawlty
Scook… as Manuel
SuperG… as Polly Sherman
John… as The Major
Bub… (Cameo roll only) as an unfortunate houseguest unaware of how childish the owners and staff are.
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/12/01 04:11:30
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Hey, I resemble that remark! 
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/12/01 04:21:34
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Can I be Sybil?
I do a good nest of vipers
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/12/01 04:31:07
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SuperG Hey, I resemble that remark! HahahahaThat’s cool… Mate you got off light, Poly was the most sane caricature of them all Bristol Can I be Sybil? I do a good nest of vipers That all depends if you can make a "Waldorf Salad"... and you don’t mention the war!
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/12/01 05:11:34
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Soon someone will roll up and say to the plugin manager......(adopt best Basil Fawlty voice)..... "If you don't start recognising PC modules automatically soon, I'm going to give you a damn good thrashing" 
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/12/01 05:33:42
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/12/01 06:52:25
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What a weird thread. Why anyone would be *against* a clearer explanation of this, I can't imagine. Alex's example bug report above is right on the money. When you consider how often this comes up as a problem on the forums, it's an obvious and sensible suggestion for an improvement.
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/12/01 09:45:48
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John please read post #12. Let me explain...please try to understand before one of us dies.... ..and don't mention the war!
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Re:Bug - When Sonar thinks a Pro Channel modules is a VST plugins.
2012/12/01 10:11:55
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John T
What a weird thread. Why anyone would be *against* a clearer explanation of this, I can't imagine. Alex's example bug report above is right on the money. When you consider how often this comes up as a problem on the forums, it's an obvious and sensible suggestion for an improvement.
There is nothing to explain John. It is very simple the PC modules are VSTs. Also there is no reason to turn off the auto VST scan when X2 starts. If people are concerned that it will slow down the loading of X2 it wont. Alex I think you need to take a rest. The comment about the "war" is ridiculous and unbecoming of you.
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