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Building my new DAW: i7-7700 vs Ryzen 5 1600

Hi guys, I'm new here.
I write from Italy, so English is not my main language; sorry for any mistake.
 
Here we are: I'm planning to build my new DAW, but I'm not sure about the system I need; I'm using Sonar for years, and I'd like to use it in my new PC, too.
 
I don't know if in this case it is better to choose an Intel i7-7700 non K or an AMD Ryzen 5 1600; from the reviews, I see that an i7 has better IPC than R5, but this one performes better in multi-threaded applications. So, basically my doubt is if Sonar works better with a CPU with "stronger" IPC (such as Intel's i7) or if more cores are better for Sonar.
 
I already have 16 GB of Corsair LPX 2400 MHz memory, I got that kit for 70 euros and I'd like to re-use it.
 
Thank you in advance for any reply.
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Re: Building my new DAW: i7-7700 vs Ryzen 5 1600 2017/04/13 11:20:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby garrett.scroggin 2017/04/13 14:22:40
Hi Matteo,
 
Ran audio stress-tests with the Ryzen 1800x with two different X370 motherboards.
http://forum.cakewalk.com/i76850k-vs-i77700k-vs-Ryzen-1800x-m3578609.aspx
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Ryzen-1800x-test-quick-revisit-m3577909.aspx
 
In short, the 7700k is a much better choice for working with audio (especially at low-latency).
 
Ryzen is great at multi-threaded applications (video rendering)... but not for low-latency multi-threaded applications (mixing audio at low-latency settings).

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Re: Building my new DAW: i7-7700 vs Ryzen 5 1600 2017/04/13 14:23:04 (permalink)
This helps with my research, thanks!
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Re: Building my new DAW: i7-7700 vs Ryzen 5 1600 2017/04/14 12:08:51 (permalink)
Jim Roseberry
Hi Matteo,
 
Ran audio stress-tests with the Ryzen 1800x with two different X370 motherboards.


 
In short, the 7700k is a much better choice for working with audio (especially at low-latency).
 
Ryzen is great at multi-threaded applications (video rendering)... but not for low-latency multi-threaded applications (mixing audio at low-latency settings).


Thank you for your reply, Jim.
So I'm gonna choose Intel this time, can't wait to build my new system 
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Re: Building my new DAW: i7-7700 vs Ryzen 5 1600 2017/04/14 15:01:10 (permalink)
What kind specific of performance improvements / differences can one expect to see in general, when actually USING the application, I mean (not so much self-assessments, but on the GUI user-end)?
 
I ask only because I just finished my new DAW with an FX-8300 - that's a 8-core processor, but it seems audio-editing apps are more fond of greater clock speed than harnessing more cores.
But what do I know?

 
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Re: Building my new DAW: i7-7700 vs Ryzen 5 1600 2017/04/14 15:16:15 (permalink)
You don't want to sacrifice significant clock-speed for more cores.
In a perfect scenario, you want high clock-speed with more cores.  

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Re: Building my new DAW: i7-7700 vs Ryzen 5 1600 2017/04/14 17:17:50 (permalink)
Jim Roseberry
You don't want to sacrifice significant clock-speed for more cores.
In a perfect scenario, you want high clock-speed with more cores.  




But second best is certainly fewer cores and greater clock speed, presumably? Makes sense!

 
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Re: Building my new DAW: i7-7700 vs Ryzen 5 1600 2017/04/20 20:55:41 (permalink)
Very exciting Vi control thread on ryzen... Latest results...with bios upgrades. Thoughts?
http://vi-control.net/com...90/page-4#post-4078843

Interesting related post from today...
https://youtu.be/xama-Np0yKo
post edited by Vastman - 2017/04/20 21:16:50

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Re: Building my new DAW: i7-7700 vs Ryzen 5 1600 2017/04/20 21:30:14 (permalink)
Yep, see my posts earlier.
Ryzen is great at multi-threaded applications (video rendering).
What it's not great at is multi-threaded applications at low latency settings.
Try those same tests again at a 32/48/64-sample ASIO buffer size.
 
Using DAW Bench, the 6850k (also $500) slams the 1800x.
The 7700k also handily bests the 1800x (The 7700k is $300).
 
We all had high hopes for Ryzen.
It's nowhere close to living up to the hype (for low latency audio).

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Re: Building my new DAW: i7-7700 vs Ryzen 5 1600 2017/05/22 20:40:36 (permalink)
 
 I agree, I have an i7 7700 and a Ryzen 1700 both with best motherboards and Fastest supported RAM. Yet when it comes to VSTi i7 is still King! best option is 6 core i7 6850 so I was told. Ryzen is no slouch, I have it over clocked and the RAM running at 3200Mhz but for some reason when it comes to running lots of VSTis, at low latency, i7 does a much better job at scaling under load.  
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