It does require a key though

ORIGINAL: Susan G

It does require a key though

OT, I know, but ! I think this is ridiculous. The Cubase demo requires a dongle, too. I wouldn't consider it unless I was guaranteed a refund on the hardware if I didn't buy the software!

But thanks for the update, HG!

-Susan

I wonder over and over--does all this nonsense stop piracy? I am *so* sick of this stuff. From reauthorizing the operating system right on down.

Actually, while that's true, it's not a difficult leap to a dongle from a UAD, IMHO. True, they add functionality to it, but with a dongle, I can install the software on any computer I want, and put in the key and go to work. That's a plus, too.

I'm not happy with dongles, but I do understand that they want to do something about piracy. I can find common ground with anyone who would like to encourage the industry for a better way to do this. Still, a dongle has some advantages over an installed hardware system.

ORIGINAL: pattor

Dear Attalus,

Try some anger management.

My post was in my opinion open and did not call out for trouble. You did encode that I was all offensive with it. Please read it again. Do you really think I want to kick you in your stomach? Your butt? I respect you and everyone else. I love you and everyone else.

Still, I think it's a bit melancholic to see people spend hundreds, thousands of dollars on software that WON'T MAKE THE BASIC AUDIO BETTER! The reverb á 250 bucks or whatever is a binary calculator. It is virtual. It is just a bunch of formulas. Crap in, crap out.

There is certainly good music made on consumer audio systems. I like lo-fi a lot. but I also like to have total control over my lo-fi and that is why I prefer to hear what the f*** is going on inside of my mixes.

Everyone who have got out from the M-audio line for something slightly better would most likely agree that they would never go back. That is what I said. I never forced something on you.

God, this is endless...

I did not fail my recordings with the low end line. As you assume. I once more say - the satisfaction came into another daylight when I heard what REALLY was going on with my formerly so satisfying production. Do you get this? The low end products do not deliver what you would need to make your production sound TOP NOTCH. They don't deliver what you need in order to do appropriate adjustments in the 0.2-0.4 dB range. They do not deliver a satisfying (totally linear) presentation. This is all I'm saying and I can guarantee that anyone who have made a step up in the "judgement chain" will agree upon this.

All I was trying to say was that if people are really serious about their music and aim for doing the production by themselves and aim to really make something out of it - then they should start to investigate what an upgrade from the M-audio-type of gear could do for them. And not continue to spend THOUSANDS of dollars on PLUGINS.

And yes - I know it's all about the TALENT! This is nothing new for anyone.

Let us close this subject. Enough said. We are representatives from two worlds. OK? Fine then.


There are only a few backdraws with getting a true and great monitoring system, and I hope this can be inspiring for those who might consider to spend money on something else than the endless hunt for new plugins:

1. You will hear the degradation of sound by just applying a plugin in "neutral mode". You will hear when 16 or 24 bits of basic recorded audio turns 32 (or 64). You will hear and notice this quantization. Therefore you will use as few plugs as possible. Not very good news if you've your plugin folder full of reverbs, I suppose.

2. You won't need your plugin compressors any more. I just finished mixing a 22 track project with no compressors anywhere. And you know what - it is beatbased electronica with five electric guitars playing different structures at the same time, one live drumkit, one synthesized beatmachine, and a lot of lo-fi approch to noise and additional synths. No compressor on any of the 22 tracks! I know it's more easy to reach for those when having a 2496 from M-audio. This has not to do with talent, it has only to do with translation of the mix and that you hear something that fool you into taking bad decisions on a low end product.

3. The thought of that some wise mastering engineer should fool around with your audio will scare the hell out of you, because your mix has got more punch and richness than what the squashed CD's selling billons have. Your mix will sound better than any of the mixes you tried to "master" back...then. Your mix will sound extremely good on whatever playbakc system you throw it at.

4. You will never, ever, try to fool around with your Ozone, your PSP Vintage warmer, or your multiband compressor. The word mastering will become very, very offensive. You won't need that. You'll print your mix, 22 uncompressed tracks of worth, adjust it to 16/44, send it to your record label and they will ask you who the F has mastered your mix.

5. You will also have a really great time listening to other artists recordings. Even if you have heard them hundred of times, it will be like the first time. Again.

6. There will be so much "warmth" present when your analogue has become digital, that you won't bother to buy that new "Waves SSL" or whatever it is that is supposed to sound analogue. And your Antares Tube will come to eternal rest.

7. You'll notice that the Studioverb from Cakewalk is the least destructive reverb of the bundled Sonar plugins. It has got the clearest, most humble and useful sound.

Have a nice weekend, Attalus. I wish you, and everyone else, the best. My intention was never to offend you. I just curiously asked what you base your audible decisions on. I think that is not forbidden when someone say "this is AWESOME". I want to know in what kind of system it does sound awesome before I even consider to investigate a new product further. Nothing strange about that, is it?

If you found me offensive, it can depend on that I find your statements a bit offensive. If you didn't have that "buy-links" in the beginning of your posts and instead said "hi everyone, have you tried this one and what do you think?" I could take your opinions a bit more seriously.

ORIGINAL: attalus

It does require a key though

OT, I know, but ! I think this is ridiculous. The Cubase demo requires a dongle, too. I wouldn't consider it unless I was guaranteed a refund on the hardware if I didn't buy the software!

But thanks for the update, HG!

-Susan

I think many will agree with you, and i do feel IK is making a big mistake by making people pay to demo their product. No one wants to be out $30 if they don't like the product and if they do like the product no one wants to pay a extra $30 for it.
This same reasoning is what kept me from ever demoing URS plugins despite their reputation. I did not want to pay for a ilok knowing i may not like the plugins regardless if others do.
Hardware key purchases keeps people from demoing and if they don't demo they don't know if there missing something or not and probably won't care.So i think in the end this will cut into IK's sales more then anything. Once people know the product is good many won't mind having the ikey after purchase for owners use, but very few wants to buy the ikey before knowing for sure they want the product.

ORIGINAL: sghoughton

So, i downloaded the demo. Can someone help with some settings that would really set this appart? So far i seem to be as pleased with masterverb 5 and the FxReverb (which i'd never even tried before, thanks for mentioning that one).

What would be somethign to look for that would make this shine?

steve

ORIGINAL: cane creek

i own Uad-1 Dreamverb plate 140 , powercore Classic verb , Princeston 2016 room verb and Artacoustic reverb....

so would i be wasteing my money buying CSR ?

The dongle doesn't bother me as i use cubase sx and miroslav.

ORIGINAL: joesofia

I have tried in excess of 10 reverbs (Sonitus, Waves, Blueverb...etc) and keep going back to the Lexicon Pantheon. I think it sounds awesome. What makes the CSR better than the Pantheon as I never heard a CSR to compare it with?

Joey

ORIGINAL: attalus

ORIGINAL: joesofia

I have tried in excess of 10 reverbs (Sonitus, Waves, Blueverb...etc) and keep going back to the Lexicon Pantheon. I think it sounds awesome. What makes the CSR better than the Pantheon as I never heard a CSR to compare it with?

Joey

If lexicon has totally pleased you there may not be a need for another reverb,for each individual has their own taste and that's a good thing. But i will also add that its also good to keep the ears open to new sounds that may benifit you, meaning there's nothing wrong with occassionally demoing other products or investigating to see what there about.
I personally prefer CSR cause of it's flexibility and many reverb options, it is also smoother,softer and less destructive to the original audio to me then lexicon and many other reverbs,And each of it's reverbs has "CHARACTER". but this is what i feel and you may not feel CSR will benifit you.Lexicon just may be the only verb you need- i don't know.

ORIGINAL: joesofia

Hey you are right, it does make sense to try everything that is out there.

ORIGINAL: attalus

ORIGINAL: joesofia

I have tried in excess of 10 reverbs (Sonitus, Waves, Blueverb...etc) and keep going back to the Lexicon Pantheon. I think it sounds awesome. What makes the CSR better than the Pantheon as I never heard a CSR to compare it with?

Joey

If lexicon has totally pleased you there may not be a need for another reverb,for each individual has their own taste and that's a good thing. But i will also add that its also good to keep the ears open to new sounds that may benifit you, meaning there's nothing wrong with occassionally demoing other products or investigating to see what there about.
I personally prefer CSR cause of it's flexibility and many reverb options, it is also smoother,softer and less destructive to the original audio to me then lexicon and many other reverbs,And each of it's reverbs has "CHARACTER". but this is what i feel and you may not feel CSR will benifit you.Lexicon just may be the only verb you need- i don't know.

ORIGINAL: cane creek

ORIGINAL: attalus

ORIGINAL: cane creek

The only reason i havent tried the demo is because i use 2 PC's one for the internet and general missuse , my other PC i only run music Apps on it and i never hook it up to the interent unless i really have too.
from what i understand ill have to hook up my music PC to the interent to download a demo licence to my dongle to run the CSR demo , please correct me if im wrong ?

I dont really want to hook up my music PC to the net just to try a demo.

I don't know how the dongle works for demo's, but i was wondering is it possible to download the info you need on one computer then take it to the other computer where the dongle is? If i recall correctly i gave ik my serial number and digital id and they sent me authorization via email, i don't think it needed activation directly threw internet, but my memory may not be serving me correctly, i'd have to reinstall everything to be for sure.

im sure i'd have to use the net to download the license onto my dongle ?.

what i usually do is i have ableton live 5 installed on my internet missuse PC i usually demo software on that machine and if i like it i tranfer it to my music PC via a USB device , i have no firewall or anti virus on my music PC its very finely tuned.