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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/05/26 19:05:05 (permalink)



what the hell!!?????


I have a fever... and the only prescription for it is ..... more 


demo?

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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/05/26 19:25:26 (permalink)
Like a demo derby? 

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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/05/27 13:50:42 (permalink)
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2311878

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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/05/27 14:11:58 (permalink)
So.......what is this X1, and does it change anything?

Does it even matter?

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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/05/27 14:23:02 (permalink)
This changes everything.....especially for people on the fence.

I'm sure this will generate a lot of traffic upstairs...

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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/05/27 14:45:37 (permalink)
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http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2311878

out now Susan!
Downloading now, thanks!

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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/05/31 08:50:39 (permalink)
AND NOW SUSAN, what are your thoughts since you have had a chance to demo X1????

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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/05/31 17:00:34 (permalink)
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AND NOW SUSAN, what are your thoughts since you have had a chance to demo X1????
Hi-

I haven't spent much time with it, just enough to get a few initial impressions, generally good. The first thing I noticed was that it looks better (or "fits" better, really) than I thought it would on my dual 1280x1024 displays.

So far it does seem to run about the same as 8.5.3 on my system:
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU          6300  @ 1.86GHz   1.86 GHz
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32-bit Operating System (Win 7)

BUT, I haven't tried it on one of my "big" projects yet, just the demos and some misc test projects.

Other totally random thoughts & niggles:
- Why does the PRV open each time with such a small note pane relative to the controller pane? This is the demo, though, so maybe not an issue with the real thing.

-Love having all the prefs in one place with "P". Single keypresses to show/hide the Browser, Multidock, etc. is nice. The Browser reminds me a little of FLS's, and so far I like it.

-So far, screensets are working fine and change quickly here (I'd seen some comments about that).

-What happened to "Enable MIDI output" -- the little checkbox you get with a right-click under the synth in the rack, not the one on "Insert synth options"? If it was moved I couldn't find it. That let you enable it after-the-fact if you didn't check it when inserting the synth in the first place.

-The right-click menu on notes in the Staff View still says "Interpolate", when that's been changed to "Find/Change" on the main menu, and the word is nowhere to be found in the Help file (thank goodness!). They should change it to be consistent.


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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/05/31 17:42:28 (permalink)
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musicman100


AND NOW SUSAN, what are your thoughts since you have had a chance to demo X1????
Hi-

I haven't spent much time with it, just enough to get a few initial impressions, generally good. The first thing I noticed was that it looks better (or "fits" better, really) than I thought it would on my dual 1280x1024 displays.

So far it does seem to run about the same as 8.5.3 on my system:
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU          6300  @ 1.86GHz   1.86 GHz
3.00 GB
32-bit Operating System (Win 7)

BUT, I haven't tried it on one of my "big" projects yet, just the demos and some misc test projects.

Other totally random thoughts & niggles:
- Why does the PRV open each time with such a small note pane relative to the controller pane? This is the demo, though, so maybe not an issue with the real thing.

-Love having all the prefs in one place with "P". Single keypresses to show/hide the Browser, Multidock, etc. is nice. The Browser reminds me a little of FLS's, and so far I like it.

-So far, screensets are working fine and change quickly here (I'd seen some comments about that).

-What happened to "Enable MIDI output" -- the little checkbox you get with a right-click under the synth in the rack, not the one on "Insert synth options"? If it was moved I couldn't find it. That let you enable it after-the-fact if you didn't check it when inserting the synth in the first place.

-The right-click menu on notes in the Staff View still says "Interpolate", when that's been changed to "Find/Change" on the main menu, and the word is nowhere to be found in the Help file (thank goodness!). They should change it to be consistent.


-Susan


Susan - any chance you can let me know the link you used  ? (maybe by PM so that CW don't get upset with you for posting it)

The one I got via email from CW will not work, I just get this message ...

can't find the server at cakewalk..s3.amazonaws.com.

Strangely, the one for the tutorial content which is virtually indentical worked and d/loaded just fine.

Have tried contacting CW directly, but no response and having no luck in X1 forum either.  :(

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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/05/31 17:51:03 (permalink)
Susan - any chance you can let me know the link you used ? (maybe by PM so that CW don't get upset with you for posting it) The one I got via email from CW will not work, I just get this message ... can't find the server at cakewalk..s3.amazonaws.com. Strangely, the one for the tutorial content which is virtually indentical worked and d/loaded just fine. Have tried contacting CW directly, but no response and having no luck in X1 forum either. :(

Hi Paulo-

The links they sent me have both expired, so they won't work for you :(.

I notice you have two dots after cakewalk in that URL -- was that just a typo? If not, try it with just one. Mine starts: http://cakewalk.s3.amazon...ds/SONAR_X1_Trial.exe?

followed by the access key id.

I don't know why they don't make it easier...

Good luck -- I hope CW replies if that doesn't work.

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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/05/31 19:21:50 (permalink)
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-What happened to "Enable MIDI output" -- the little checkbox you get with a right-click under the synth in the rack, not the one on "Insert synth options"? If it was moved I couldn't find it. That let you enable it after-the-fact if you didn't check it when inserting the synth in the first place.



-Susan
Hi Susan,
the ENABLE MIDI OUTPUT is still on the "synth options" dialog that pops up when you insert a synth or you can click on the "synth properties" icon in the browser under the synth tab.


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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/05/31 19:28:10 (permalink)
Hi Beagle-
the ENABLE MIDI OUTPUT is still on the "synth options" dialog that pops up when you insert a synth or you can click on the "synth properties" icon in the browser under the synth tab.

Right, but is that the same as the one that used to appear all by itself if you right-clicked under the synth in the rack? A long-standing buglet was that "Enable MIDI output" wouldn't stay checked in the insert synth dialog, and that dialog was for inserting new synths and had no effect on one that was already in the project anyway.

Quite a few folks complained that MIDI output wasn't enabled when in fact it was but the setting in the dialog didn't persist, and that little right-click option was a sure-fire way to make sure it was enabled for an individual synth.

I'll check it next chance -- it's no biggie either way, but I'm curious.

Thanks!

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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/05/31 19:37:18 (permalink)
This is what I'm talking about in 8.5.3:



You get that with a right-click under the enable synth button.

In X1, that "Enable MIDI output" setting still doesn't persist in the Insert Synth dialog, so I'm hoping there's a way to get that little checkbox for existing synths.

-Susan

Never mind -- I see it is there, and it stays checked for individual synths, yay!
That's a very small target to click on here, but it's definitely there. Thanks, Beag.
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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/05/31 19:40:20 (permalink)
yes, as far as I understand they were the same even in S8.5 (and below).  they probably just removed the redundancy by having it in 2 places.

but you're saying it doesn't stay checked in X1?  I'll go check it out on mine and see.  I have rarely had to use it.  I think only with some older softsynths that I don't use any more was it ever a problem.

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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/05/31 19:41:35 (permalink)
ok - I just tried it and you're absolutely right it doesn't stay checked.  I don't know why.

it also appears if you right click on the synth in the synth rack, too (right click just under the power button in the grey area).  but again, it does not stay checked.  not sure why.

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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/05/31 19:58:15 (permalink)
The option in the Synth drop-down at the top of the Browser stays checked here (which I totally missed before, newb that I am), and the one that comes up if you right-click just to the left of the synth icon (that very small target!) stays checked as well.

The one in the Insert synth dialog doesn't, however (as always, just a buglet, IMO).

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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/05/31 20:02:22 (permalink)
well, something new - I've found it depends on the synth.

I have 2 synths loaded in this current project; TTS-1 and Superior Drummer.  it DOES persist for TTS-1 and it does NOT for SD2!!!

in fact, if I click on the down arrow beside the SYNTH tab at the top of the browser, while I have SD highlighted in the rack, then ENABLE MIDI OUTPUT is greyed out and I can't select it.  but if I highlight TTS-1 and click on the down arrow then it isn't greyed out and I can enable/disable from there.

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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/05/31 20:20:26 (permalink)
You're right, some do, some don't here, too. I thought maybe it had something to do with the order they're inserted, but even if SD2 is 1st I can't enable that option. It does output MIDI, doesn't it?

I just tried inserting Jamstix 3 and X1 went all non-responsive on me.

Oh well, fortunately (for me) you can't submit bug reports for the demo version anyway...

I'll experiment some more later.

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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/05/31 20:24:37 (permalink)
Going into the MM mode, but since Cakewalk was born from humble  MIDI beginnings, one can excuse issues with AUDIO (since , according to some, they are late bloomers in the audio game) but to have such a glaring issue with MIDI , which is their birthright, is inexcusable...


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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/05/31 20:29:07 (permalink)
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Going into the MM mode, but since Cakewalk was born from humble  MIDI beginnings, one can excuse issues with AUDIO (since , according to some, they are late bloomers in the audio game) but to have such a glaring issue with MIDI , which is their birthright, is inexcusable...


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Well, that's why I've always called it a buglet!

But the fact is it's come up a number of times over the years, and it does seem odd they haven't fixed it (and apparently made it a little worse), since clearly they spent some time changing its location, etc.

There was always that little fall-back checkbox if someone forgot to enable MIDI output when they inserted a synth, or just wanted to check if it was on.

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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/05/31 20:41:39 (permalink)
yes, SD outputs MIDI, I have never had problems with it and I use SD all the time.  like I said, I don't think I've worried about that check box since probably around S6.  I don't think I've had a softsynth that I needed to check that box for since that time.  it was about that time I stopped using Gigastudio...hm...

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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/05/31 21:03:29 (permalink)
well this just me , and I am sure SOMEONE wants to output a softsynth mdi to something else .. bit I can copy my midi track and re-assign it to a different soft synth on a new track .. maybe I am missing something????

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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/05/31 21:14:36 (permalink)
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well this just me , and I am sure SOMEONE wants to output a softsynth mdi to something else .. bit I can copy my midi track and re-assign it to a different soft synth on a new track .. maybe I am missing something????
It's most useful for me for what are called "generative synths" like MusicLab's RealGuitars or Rayzoon's Jamstix, where the "live" MIDI output changes depending on the synth's settings, and you want to send it to another sound source.

For RealGuitar(s), it's the only way to get the actual MIDI output on a track as opposed to chords & strums or pick patterns, since what comes out of the instrument is a synthesis of the two. If you wanted an actual score for the guitar part, you'd need the actual MIDI output first.

But no, I doubt you're missing anything now if you haven't missed it already.

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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/06/01 08:02:34 (permalink)
Fair enough Susan, I didnt think about that since I dont score a guitar part, and I can see using RGs midi out driving another guitar synth or VST to emulate strumming , etc , correctly.
I picked up a roland GR20 guitar synth that has a mid output , so im practicing my guitar strumming and picking  chops now..

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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/06/02 15:59:08 (permalink)
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Susan - any chance you can let me know the link you used ? (maybe by PM so that CW don't get upset with you for posting it) The one I got via email from CW will not work, I just get this message ... can't find the server at cakewalk..s3.amazonaws.com. Strangely, the one for the tutorial content which is virtually indentical worked and d/loaded just fine. Have tried contacting CW directly, but no response and having no luck in X1 forum either. :(

Hi Paulo-

The links they sent me have both expired, so they won't work for you :(.

I notice you have two dots after cakewalk in that URL -- was that just a typo? If not, try it with just one. Mine starts: http://cakewalk.s3.amazon...ds/SONAR_X1_Trial.exe?

followed by the access key id.

I don't know why they don't make it easier...

Good luck -- I hope CW replies if that doesn't work.

-Susan


Hi Susan - well spotted (Groan !) :)

The link I was sent had the two dots - I just copied and pasted to the browser, so no typo errors my end. I tried removing one of the dots, but it still didn't work, but the message changed, so I re-requested the download links and the new one also had two dots and didn't work either, but this time when I removed one it did - so thanks to you I got there eventually ! Just as well as still no reply from CW - some things never change I guess !! I'm kind of used to being ignored after I've given them money, but I  thought they might have shown a bit of interest seeing as the point of offering a demo is presumably to obtain a sale. Oh well, as usual the forum rocks ! Thanks again.

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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/06/02 16:05:44 (permalink)
The link I was sent had the two dots - I just copied and pasted to the browser, so no typo errors my end. I tried removing one of the dots, but it still didn't work, but the message changed, so I re-requested the download links and the new one also had two dots and didn't work either, but this time when I removed one it did - so thanks to you I got there eventually ! Just as well as still no reply from CW - some things never change I guess !! I'm kind of used to being ignored after I've given them money, but I thought they might have shown a bit of interest seeing as the point of offering a demo is presumably to obtain a sale. Oh well, as usual the forum rocks ! Thanks again.

Hi paulo-

So glad you got it to work! That's crazy that they're sounding out auto-generated broken links like that. I'm inclined to post on the main forum about it so they're aware, although of course your email should have alerted them to the problem. In fact, I think I will.

Anyway, good you got it going!

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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/06/03 20:04:15 (permalink)
Well, I did my bit (http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2315928). No comment from CW, but hopefully it's fixed. There probably would have been some posts about it by now if not.

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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/06/03 20:22:27 (permalink)
I just received the email from cake today with the link to the demo page.

are the broken links you're talking about once you fill out the form and click the "SEND ME THE DOWNLOAD LINKS" button?

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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/06/03 21:01:10 (permalink)
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I just received the email from cake today with the link to the demo page.

are the broken links you're talking about once you fill out the form and click the "SEND ME THE DOWNLOAD LINKS" button?
Hi Reece-

See post #55. You get an email with the links once you fill out that form. Some of those emails apparently went out with 2 dots after "cakewalk" in the link by mistake.

-Susan



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Re:Why no X1 demo, and would you buy a full version without one? 2011/06/03 21:21:14 (permalink)
ah, I missed that post.  thanks for the clarification!

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