[CWBRN-33018] "Enable MIDI Out" Broken

I'm  not sure what you mean by enabling MIDI Out "on a softsynth track". MIDI Out is a property of the synth that you set in the synth rack. In any case, I can't reproduce a problem with disabling it. The output it presents disappears immediately, and if a track is using it, that track's input changes to None or AllInputsOmni as expected, depending on whether Input Echo is enabled.
 
What synth, and what are your steps?

I am going to move this back to Sonar forum for now, while it gets sorted out as being reproducible.
 
Once it gets validated, and submitted through the Problem Reports process, we can get the CWBRN number attached to the thread, and it will then get moved back to Problem Reports.
 
Thanks, 
 
Bob Bone
 

scook

alewgro
 add the synth, and the synth (if it has a MIDI out function), it will be ENABLED even though you selected not to!

It might be helpful to know which synth(s) are misbehaving. When I tested this last night using Jamstix and deselecting "Enable MIDI Out" in the "Insert Soft Synth Options" dialog, the process worked as expected.

Every single synth - which is why I didn't specify one.   I have "Enable MIDI Out" disabled by default by using the synth options window, yet all my synths (that have the ability) still have MIDI Out Enabled. 

alewgro
Pretty sure this has always been broken, but when de-selecting "Enable MIDI Out" on a softsynth track, it will basically ignore it and enable MIDI out on the synth anyway.

This can be very annoying.
 
Please confirm and I will submit a ticket.

Works as expected here.

If it's happening with every synth could it be user error or perhaps that you expect a different result to what is intended. Especially as you say that's it's always been broken.

So is the concern that the Insert Synth dialog isn't persisting the disabled state of the option? I could see calling that a bug since other options are recalled in the state they were last left on every insert.

When I deselect "Enable MIDI Out" in the "Insert Soft Synth Options" dialog, the context menu does not show the option selected. Of course I have the "Insert Soft Synth Options" dialog set to "Ask This Every Time" because the "Enable MIDI Out" option must be set every time a plug-in is inserted. There is no way to default the option to be disabled, it is always enabled by default for plug-ins which send MIDI out. Prior to X3 the "Enable MIDI Out" option always defaulted to disabled. It was changed in X3.

Works here as expected. IOW, when I uncheck the "Enable Midi Output", it stays that way.

alewgro
OK OK - here is the issue.  If I have it set to "Ask Me Every Time" - then yes, it will listen to the un-check of "Enable MIDI Out" as expected, but it seems like if you have it unchecked as the default and don't have it ask you every time, "Enable MIDI-Out" is ALWAYS going to be enabled.  Perhaps a bug fix is needed?

 

scook
 
it is always enabled by default for plug-ins which send MIDI out. Prior to X3 the "Enable MIDI Out" option always defaulted to disabled. It was changed in X3.

IOW, this is not a bug.

Grem

alewgro
OK OK - here is the issue.  If I have it set to "Ask Me Every Time" - then yes, it will listen to the un-check of "Enable MIDI Out" as expected, but it seems like if you have it unchecked as the default and don't have it ask you every time, "Enable MIDI-Out" is ALWAYS going to be enabled.  Perhaps a bug fix is needed?

 

scook
 
it is always enabled by default for plug-ins which send MIDI out. Prior to X3 the "Enable MIDI Out" option always defaulted to disabled. It was changed in X3.

IOW, this is not a bug.

Why is this not a bug?

You can't have "Enable MIDI out" as a default?  You have to always show that dialog box and uncheck it every time?
 
makes no sense.

Doktor Avalanche

alewgro
 
Why is this not a bug?

You can't have "Enable MIDI out" as a default?  You have to always show that dialog box and uncheck it every time?
 
makes no sense.

I could also argue why isn't MIDI out enabled every time?
Sounds like a setting in preferences could overcome this. In fact all the settings could be set as a default one way or another (when not using "Ask Me Every Time"). Perhaps start a new thread in feature request forums?

I dont think you are understanding the problem.   You can go into the synth options at ANY time and set your defaults, such as "insert all stereo tracks", "insert a track folder", "use a simple instrument"... in that SAME dialog box is "Enable Midi Out"...   ALL other settings stay true when you insert a synth EXCEPT that one!!!  That one will ALWAYS revert to "Enable Midi out" unless you have it prompt you before loading each synth (which I dont like).

There is no reason that one setting in the SAME dialog box shouldn't keep its setting as the others do.

OK i will make a new thread as a problem report later.  thank you

Karyn
It is not a bug because it is deliberately coded that way, as per the change in X3 where the default behaviour was reversed.  The default behaviour was changed because of user requests.
 
Yes, it would be better if there were a preferences option for you to determine what the default setting should be.  That is a Feature Request.

If it is a default, then how come it is an option in the dialog box, yet does nothing?

You weren't satisfied with my implied confirmation back in post #10? It's not clear to me whether this is an oversight or a deliberate design choice on the part of the Bakers, but it's certainly worth creating a CWBRN and seeing how they respond.

I understand. It got busy for a while there, and my posts might have lagged a little. Go for it.