Helpful Reply[CWBRN-40261] another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song"

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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/22 19:17:00 (permalink)
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beepie, naming the track "after the fact" does not rename the audio file, unfortunately.   And the scenario I described is only the most recent; if you don't remember reading forum posts about mysterious audio mis-alignment, then go do some homework.
 




Methinks I'm not the one who needs to do the homework here. I'm not getting tripped up over every little non issue. Perhaps if you spent more time researching solutions instead of trying to find "confirmation" of perceived problems you'd be a little more productive.
 
Here's yet ANOTHER solution (in regards to the clip not being named how you like). If you are too forgetful to setup a track to bounce to beforehand (why not do this at the START of a project anyway?... I keep an "export" track at the top of every project) then simply rename the clip in the Clip Inspector
 
OR
 
Create a temp folder wherever is convenient on your system for Drag and Drop Browser actions. Then drag the bounced clip into the Browser and rename it there.
 
See? Solutions.
 
...and I agree with the earlier statement about how you cannot expect the program to work EXACTLY how you like it to in EVERY weird arse scenario because then it would be ticking someone else off (and the Bakers aren't total mindreaders).
 
With that I bid you good day, sir.
 
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I said GOOD DAY!!
 
 
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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/22 19:20:12 (permalink)
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Right sorry I forgot to acknowledge what you said earlier silly me.
 
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I'm not arguing anything!!! Only the developers know if it's a bug or whether it's following a defined set of rules in a way they expect, but which has an unintended consequence in terms of what you expect. That's all I'm saying. You'll notice I have not said it's a bug or it's not a bug, yet you keep acting like I'm arguing with you that it's not a bug. 

 

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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/22 19:21:31 (permalink)
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Well, it's definitely correct for one selected track. But, what is completely and totally predictable is that if you click on the dummy folder track before inserting the audio track, any selected tracks will be de-selected, and the region range will remain unaffected.

 
Right but that's the issue being reported :)
And personally I'm SOOOO done with workarounds :)

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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/22 21:43:54 (permalink)
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And personally I'm SOOOO done with workarounds :)



Then you go fix the code. Personally, I can't.
 
And personally, I'm not done trying to help fellow musicians. In this forum, that's fellow SONAR users.
 
I came here to save time for williamcopper, not have you attempt to bait me into an argument that I have no desire to make, and in which I have no interest.

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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/22 21:47:04 (permalink)
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Then you go fix the code.

 
At OP, do you have CWBRN number for this? Needs to be reported... unless you think there is other mileage here.
Thanks..
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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/22 21:58:55 (permalink)
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Your solution is to lodge a bug report (assuming it's a bug) with the Bakers, and wait for it to come out of the queue.
 
My solution is to research the issue and try and help williamcopper with his immediate need.

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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/22 22:11:59 (permalink)
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Your solution is to lodge a bug report (assuming it's a bug) with the Bakers, and wait for it to come out of the queue.
 
My solution is to research the issue and try and help williamcopper with his immediate need.




"Assuming it's a bug".

Craig...
I'll ask you again then, is changing the selection scope when adding a new track expected behaviour or not? YES or NO?
Or should we go through some sort of quantum physics discussion first/smoke & mirrors 
 
No bug report = No fix and does not get moved into problems report forum where is should belong. Waste of time in my view unless Cakewalk so happens to decide to stumble and act on this thread (I'll send out the bat signal).
 
He actually wrote " into the main sonar forum for others to agree/disagree/confirm/deny as per usual." when I questioned him. . OP was originally not asking for workarounds although I'm not saying they are unhelpful and I'm sure he can answer for himself.
 
From my perspective it would be a total waste of time not have this discussion, and not have anything come out of it by not reporting it, and I think you should be encouraging this too. Anyway up to the OP to decide. 
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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/22 22:23:35 (permalink)
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very hard to believe OP has lost many many hours because of this. A quick solution has been given. Why would you not use it? no need to make a big arthur miller play out of it :)
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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/22 22:26:10 (permalink)
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very hard to believe OP has lost many many hours because of this. A quick solution has been given. Why would you not use it? no need to make a big arthur miller play out of it :)



It's not a solution it's a workaround.
Why would you not report a bug?  
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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/22 22:29:02 (permalink)
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it is a solution, it stops the "problem/bug" from happening. 
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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/22 22:34:10 (permalink)
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it is a solution, it stops the "problem" from happening. 



Sorry but offering alternative workflow is not a solution, it is a workaround. The bug still exists. When the bug is fixed it is a solution.
 
I would also also argue that people who work really fast editing etc with musicians and paid clients breathing down their necks really don't need to get caught out on this one. Sometimes when recording you don't have time to think, you just need to do...
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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/22 22:35:36 (permalink)
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obviously it is very important to u alex, where did you previously report it?
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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/22 22:37:39 (permalink)
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obviously it is very important to u alex, where did you previously report it?



See end of post #9 to be enlightened.
FYI I always report the bugs I discover, I don't own this one.
 
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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/22 22:40:30 (permalink)
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i dont think it's a bug. sorry. good luck on your quest :)
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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/22 22:52:54 (permalink)
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i dont think it's a bug. sorry. good luck on your quest :)



Fair enough, but please let me be frank. I'm not trying to be nasty or anything...
 
These sort of statements irritate me, if you come up with statements like this you need to supply a decent reason. Why do you think resetting the selection is by design when adding a track?
 
Otherwise you are not contributing.
 
... and having a workaround does not make it "not a bug".
 
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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/22 22:56:03 (permalink)
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sorry alex, it's just too annoying for me. have a good crusade.
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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/22 23:03:54 (permalink)
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sorry alex, it's just too annoying for me. have a good crusade.



Well I keep asking the question "why is resetting the selection is by design when adding a track?" ... which is the current behaviour... and nobody so far has given a good direct answer to this, or any answer I think. It still remains a mystery why people think this behaviour then is expected.

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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/22 23:10:49 (permalink)
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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/22 23:11:47 (permalink)
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This just in... the answer is 42 .

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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/22 23:20:17 (permalink)
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@ Dok    
Actually I gave a response to that, of course it is just speculation on my part. It makes sense to me that when you make a selection and bounce or whatever to an existing track ,you already have a destination in place. When you make a selection and then try to insert the destination track Sonar has no way of knowing that you didn't just change your mind and are now going to record another vocal. guitar, or whatever on the new track. The logical thing to do would be have a destination track in place before making a selection and doing a bounce.

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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/22 23:24:14 (permalink)
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Actually sorry just found out it's 43. The workaround is to simply add 1 to compensate. Silly me :).

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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/22 23:26:10 (permalink)
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@ Dok    
Actually I gave a response to that, of course it is just speculation on my part. It makes sense to me that when you make a selection and bounce or whatever to an existing track ,you already have a destination in place. When you make a selection and then try to insert the destination track Sonar has no way of knowing that you didn't just change your mind and are now going to record another vocal. guitar, or whatever on the new track. The logical thing to do would be have a destination track in place before making a selection and doing a bounce.


Thankyou for engaging. Will respond but need sleep!

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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/22 23:34:19 (permalink)
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Can't understand the discussion. What does connect adding new track to existing selection? How does it became even possible, that adding new track changes selection? For me it is 100% bug. Just report it, take your 40000+ number, and wait for few years when it would be reviewed. When last time numbers was posted along with fixed issues, it was 5000-10000 numbers.
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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/23 06:07:52 (permalink)
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ot, but this forum has become like a bar room that invariably ends in a brawl every night

just a sec

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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/23 11:39:26 (permalink)
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Right now the beer glasses have been swept up and the tables and chairs been rearranged.... And the bar has been restocked...
 
teego
@ Dok    
Actually I gave a response to that, of course it is just speculation on my part. It makes sense to me that when you make a selection and bounce or whatever to an existing track ,you already have a destination in place. When you make a selection and then try to insert the destination track Sonar has no way of knowing that you didn't just change your mind and are now going to record another vocal. guitar, or whatever on the new track. The logical thing to do would be have a destination track in place before making a selection and doing a bounce.



So I read this but not fully understanding.
 
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Current behaviour I see is:
1) New project blank template
2) Drag audio into the track view from browser 3 times creating three new tracks with audio.
3) On the time ruler mark a selection (by dragging your mouse over it).
4) Insert track
 
Expected
 
Track is inserted.
 
Actual
 
a) Track is inserted.
b) Selection on time ruler (made on step 3) is reset.
 
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So how does (b) make any difference to bouncing, track destinations etc?
 
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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/23 12:00:41 (permalink)
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Basically all I am saying is that you should have your new track in place before you make your selection and do your bounce. I think it makes sense logically to create the placeholder for the bounce before you do it, not after. If you were going to pick a bunch of berries off a bush would you pick them and then go get a pail or would you have a pail to put them in as you pick them?

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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/23 13:06:58 (permalink)
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Basically all I am saying is that you should have your new track in place before you make your selection and do your bounce. I think it makes sense logically to create the placeholder for the bounce before you do it, not after. If you were going to pick a bunch of berries off a bush would you pick them and then go get a pail or would you have a pail to put them in as you pick them?



Still don't get you.
 
This is the timer ruler showing a selection that gets reset to a different scope (black bar) when adding an audio track.
 

 
When you have something selected it could be for a number of reasons. I'm not using bounces in any way above in my steps to repro. .. and I'm not sure how it effects the specific use case of bounces at all.
 
As far as the tracks are concerned when they are selected, each track number is highlighted in blue. When you add an audio track those selections do not change (just the selection scope, see image above). I don't see a bug there.
 
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/10/23 13:17:45

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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/23 13:18:12 (permalink)
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Right now the beer glasses have been swept up and the tables and chairs been rearranged.... And the bar has been restocked...
 
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Actually I gave a response to that, of course it is just speculation on my part. It makes sense to me that when you make a selection and bounce or whatever to an existing track ,you already have a destination in place. When you make a selection and then try to insert the destination track Sonar has no way of knowing that you didn't just change your mind and are now going to record another vocal. guitar, or whatever on the new track. The logical thing to do would be have a destination track in place before making a selection and doing a bounce.



So I read this but not fully understanding.
 
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Current behaviour I see is:
1) New project blank template
2) Drag audio into the track view from browser 3 times creating three new tracks with audio.
3) On the time ruler mark a selection (by dragging your mouse over it).
4) Insert track
 
Expected
 
Track is inserted.
 
Actual
 
a) Track is inserted.
b) Selection on time ruler (made on step 3) is reset.
 
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So how does (b) make any difference to bouncing, track destinations etc?
 
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The OP only wants to bounce/export the time range he has selected... so yes, IF one had absolutely no other options available to him to make that happen it would be a problem but as shown in this thread there are a ton of extremely simple ways to make it happen.
 
Really the ONLY "problem" presented here is the fact that when bouncing to track (without inserting a new track but instead allowing Sonar to bounce to a NEW track that is created automatically which does NOT get rid of the range selection according the OP) is that the clip will be named the generic new track name (so something like Track 12 or whatever instead of if the track were named manually by the user to something like Export 1 which would then of course be reflected in the resulting clip's name/wave file).
 
Seriously, based on ALL the "evidence" posted by the OP (which we had to pry out of him) the ONLY problem is that bouncing to the new track (which solves this entire "issue" completely) is that bouncing to a NEW track doesn't name the clip how he likes.
 
So despite the fact he could avoid this in the MANY ways presented here the only annoyance incurred by this so called "bug" is that OP has to rename his clip/wave in the Inspector or the Browser... which takes about five seconds or less.
 
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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/23 13:21:18 (permalink)
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And personally I'm SOOOO done with workarounds :)


+1
Does anyone have a comprehensive list of ALL the "workarounds"? Or do we all have to stumble upon them by accident?
It would be nice not having to bang my head against a wall for hours trying to figure out if I did something wrong or if the software just doesn't act as I expected and therefore there is a "workaround".
 

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Re: another bug -- Selection change, perhaps has to do with "end of song" 2015/10/23 13:28:58 (permalink)
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Seriously, based on ALL the "evidence" posted by the OP (which we had to pry out of him) the ONLY problem is that bouncing to the new track (which solves this entire "issue" completely) is that bouncing to a NEW track doesn't name the clip how he likes.
 



Beeps, have you tried working with 100s of bounced files in the project folder with the auto generated names?
I can totally see the OPs point. Not being able to see his point, and dissing the OP is NOT helpful to anyone.
But, as you said, you are not feeling very well today, so you get a pass. Maybe it's time for a chill pill.
 

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