I heard serious and credible qualities were being given out for participating in this thread, so I figured I'd chime in and see if I could have some of it rub off on me.

I actually have no opinions on notation as I don't really use it. I had to bust some out once for a piano player and it kind of worked as advertised. Tho I suppose if the lyrics view could be overlayed with a bouncing ball to go along to the music I wouldn't complain.

Unfortunately Rewire connection is no help as a notation upgrade as it wont work in a 64 bit OS

I was pretty interested at first, as to the price.  An additional $130 over the regular
upgrade, but bundles are supposed to be bargains.

Notion 3 list for $250, but everyone sells new for $199.  Still $70 is a good savings.
But then I learned that Notion is giving a price of only $100 for competitive upgrades.

Don't understand why a potential new customer via a bundle with another company pays more than a potential new customer who is not also buying something else. 

For someone who was going to buy it anyway, it's easier math.  For the larger set of people looking to spend cash in this economy, it might not seem as compelling of a deal.

jackn2mpu

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Check out this posting:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1742877

At least Alex gave us something to hold on and wait for...

Huh? If you're talking about Alex Westner I saw nothing by him there. The only Caker I saw was Willy.
But anyways, with the partnership with Notion I don't think there's any incentive for Cake to spend more time on fixing the notation inside Sonar. Not saying it won't happen, but why have your own cow to milk when you can use somebody else's (and let them pay for the upkeep, etc.)?

Funny - I found that error from June just today myself - I must have been smoking something...

The posts from Alex are all contained on this very thread - especially #30.

The Notion bundle solution could just as easily been with Sibelius or any other notation program coming down the pipeline which supports Rewire.  The integration, from what I've gathered is nothing magical.  Any other DAW which supports Rewire could integrate with Notion in the same way, including Cub@se.

Exporting MIDI files back and forth between Sonar and Notion reminds me of how things were done back in the early days of MIDI sequencing.

If things work the way they are supposed to, if enough people use the feature request link, perhaps we'll see improved / integrated notation...

Alex alluded to knowing what needed to be done, and having some ideas of how to fix it.

I've made it known that my needs are limited to just fixing handling of tied triplets / rests in triplets.  I just want to be able to edit my MIDI data in notation.  I've yet to print, and if I needed to, I could find plenty of cheaper notation programs to export my MIDI data to.

Sorry for the link confusion.

I'm with all of you on the disappoinment of Sonar not having a decent Staff/Score editor because I read and arrange music on scores often! My solution is Finale 2008, PrintMusic 2007 and Cubase 4! I think maybe Cakewalk could design a score editor that could be as good as Cubase's score editor (It's pretty darn good) but I just think there's not enough Sonar users that read and write music in the traditional way (pencil and paper) thus not enough demand! I just completed a Henry Mancini song "Dreamsville" using the score editor of Cubase 4 and entering the notes from there! I used Garritan JABB and Quantum Leap EastWest Silver Orchestra for the sounds. Really nice! I imported the midi tracks to Sonar 8 SE! Programmed the controller data in Sonar! Cubase 4 is really good but, like many of ya, I don't like dongles! I don't want to lose it!

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I was pretty interested at first, as to the price.  An additional $130 over the regular
upgrade, but bundles are supposed to be bargains.

Notion 3 list for $250, but everyone sells new for $199.  Still $70 is a good savings.
But then I learned that Notion is giving a price of only $100 for competitive upgrades.

Don't understand why a potential new customer via a bundle with another company pays more than a potential new customer who is not also buying something else. 

For someone who was going to buy it anyway, it's easier math.  For the larger set of people looking to spend cash in this economy, it might not seem as compelling of a deal.

I have both Notion3 and Sibelius.  I really really want to like Notion because Sibelius and Finale need some serious competition.  Neither of those two is intuitive.  As it turns out, Notion is just as much a pain in the butt as the two biggies.  Check out the forums over at Notion to see what people complain about.  All three need to be re-designed by someone with some serious usability design chops.  Perhaps Notion will fix their bugs and usability problems--they do seem to be very responsive to user requests.  There were a lot of EWQLSO people who jumped on this who really wanted to like it, but Notion's implementation proved to be as cumbersome as the Sibelius EWQLSO sound sets.  But Notions reworked the template right away in response to user complaints.  So I do hold out hope that they will release 3.5 pretty soon with all the reasonable feature requests and fixes.
 
Notion will not suffice at this time as a replacement for a decent score-based editor in Sonar.  Perhaps someday Propellerhead will develop a 64 bit version of Rewire (or the competition will get there first.)  32 bit is the new 16 bit.  I'm not going to install 32 bit Sonar on my system just for rewire (which would bloat this machine to 4 versions of Sonar).  In the mean time, there are no clear winners.  They all suck in their own way, but Sonar's score view sucks in a way that alternately breaks my heart / makes me want to throw things.