bladetragic
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Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
I really want to like this feature, but it is simply half baked and erratic and a pain to use at this point. Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if there was an option to switch back to the track layers method, but since we're stuck w/ take lanes as the only option then I think Cake needs to to do a lot of refinement of this feature for the next update, b/c as it stands now, the implementation is on the poor side imo.
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/16 07:19:59
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+1, everything I do with take lanes takes longer than doing it with the track layers did. I especially hate the way zoom works with take lanes. It's almost like the idea for this feature came from someone who never used the product.
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/16 07:35:06
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I tried them out for the first time and was disappointed. I thought wow, I can copy a clip to another lane rather than use a delay effect. Nope. You can't highlight a lane and paste to it and if for some miracle it does, the clip above it disappears. It seems to be half baked, as mentioned above. Great idea though.
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/16 09:32:17
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Yeah, I was having the same problem pasting a clip into a lane. I selected "Take 5" and it pasted into "Take 3". Guitarpima I tried them out for the first time and was disappointed. I thought wow, I can copy a clip to another lane rather than use a delay effect. Nope. You can't highlight a lane and paste to it and if for some miracle it does, the clip above it disappears. It seems to be half baked, as mentioned above. Great idea though.
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/16 11:45:48
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Is rhis fearure meanr for xomping?
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/16 12:15:05
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Just had my first bad experience with take lanes - with a client sitting there. You cannot copy from a take lane to a track - it kept pasting itself onto a Midi track...two tracks up from where we wanted it. You cannot bounce to clips, then drag to a track either. That sure would make comping a simple drag n' drop experience... We had to first bounce to clips, then solo each track and bounce to tracks for each segment that we wanted to keep. Zoom would be great too if it worked like it does in tracks. The numbering of take lanes also needs to be looked at as well. When you clone a track for a new section of the song, and loop record to take lanes in the new track, the lanes start with the next # take, rather than starting at 1. (Since it's cloned, it thinks it's the same track. The work-around is setting up a new track, but that slows you down...) This is huge when the client is starting to monitor his band member's takes, starts at 1, only to find out Sonar X2's take lanes started counting takes in this track at 17... A little simple math, but it throws you a curve that slows you down... I agree that take lanes are a great idea, and if they worked, would be a better way to loop record, but I'm going back to multiple tracks option for loop recording, for easier editing. Yep - Wanta' love those Take Lanes... Just can't yet... MG
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/16 12:38:45
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bigboi Is rhis fearure meanr for xomping? Lose your "t" and "c" keys? Lanes are stupid.
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/16 13:45:52
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And bring back or incorporate Layers, which worked & functioned just fine. I like idea of Lanes but as it's so erratic & dysfunctional it very much 'One step forward, two steps back'.
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/17 05:49:45
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+1 for this. I just create new tracks for new takes as the take lanes work so bad.
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/17 10:27:32
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/17 16:49:22
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+1 I hate track lanes!!! Really, don't get what the baker's where thinking... track layers worked much better.
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/17 16:58:31
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Have to say the way take lanes behaved so erratically on the initial release was one of the reasons I put X2 aside and went back to using X1. Even though I have applied the bug patch, whilst I had intended to go back to X2 and get fully used to all the new features, I've been so busy making music (as opposed to being a Computer tech - no offence to techs of course!) that I don't seem to have the heart for it at the moment. My X1 is rock solid, does everything I want and doesn't have take lanes, so except for a couple of things (like Breverb which quite frankly I would probably never use as my go to reverbs are Aether and Valhalla) I am not sure what I am missing. And if the take lanes are still hit or miss, perhaps I'll just stick with X1 for the foreseeable future. Nigel
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/18 00:30:16
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I'm on board here as well. I really am not liking the Take Lanes. There's some erratic behavior, yes, but it's sooo easy to get lost in the lanes, ESPECIALLY if you have your tracks assigned to Folders. There should have been at least some way to lighten or darken the Lanes vs the color of the tracks. When the lanes are collapsed, you can easily be fooled into "seeing" audio on the track, but it's audio from only the first Lane, not the only lane you may have Solo'd, for example. Mute buttons aren't always working properly (or rather, as expected) for Lanes. So, I agree, there's still something left to be desired. Can't please everyone, I know, but I'm personally no longer using lanes as a result, hoping Cakewalk will take another hard look at them.
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/18 00:43:08
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I didn't really like how Layers were laid out in X1, specifically. I know Cakewalk saw what I did and thought they could be improved, but Lanes didn't really give me something better, just something different. I just perceive it as worse, only because there seems to be some "spooky action at a distance" (which hopefully will be fixed eventually), but I also didn't get as lost in X1's Layers as I do in X2's Lanes. Auto-Zoom with Lanes is a bit trifling, but that's not required.
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/18 04:16:04
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Aside from the cutting and pasting issues I see I lake lanes much better than layers. You can get around the copy and past thing if you use the mouse to drag the clip to the lane or track you want it to go to. You just need to split on the snap to boundary and it will move easily.
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/18 07:36:38
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I don't think lanes are a step back. They're not finshed baking yet. If they work correctly, they will be much easier than layers.
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/18 08:54:39
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Cake, what ever you do PLEASE leave the Automation Lanes. Love em'. The old system plain old sucked. but Automation Lanes are awesome. Mike
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/18 09:00:57
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Guitarpima I don't think lanes are a step back. They're not finshed baking yet. If they work correctly, they will be much easier than layers. I think layers had gone as far as they could. I accept that lanes need improvement and refining but even simple things like the size of the mute & solo buttons is a big improvement for me. I can't see how they could have been made bigger using the layers method but I could never hit them properly. I even used to use click lock they were that bad.
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/18 12:54:58
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I beg to disagree that Layers had gone as far as they could... I could think of many ways to keep them and advance their' utility... Right off the bat? Have both available! I just can't manage to stater how much I dislike them... All in the name of a few adjustments which could have been made to Layers and not brought all the adverse aspects of Lanes... I too just cannot work with them tho I continue to try.... I sincerely hope that the Bakers have some plan underway to rectify these issues as this is more than a simple weak point. It is a major "in-your-face" item and is causing much trouble for far too many users... For me I find absolutely no benefit and all increased problems... They couldn't even manage to keep the zoom features consistent with the previous versions and have left me in non-stop discomfort and increased my workload instead of streamlining my workflow... Cakewalk had something a step above the competition.... Layers have been around a while and The Bakers found a versatile method of improving theis only to abandon it and join the fold... To me? A bad choice... and I see it is so to many others... Bakers..... Are you listening? I know you monitor all these conversations and I can only hope that some of you see the importance and tend to this asap.... Not waiting for another major release as that is gonna hurt everyone... For those who find it an improvement? I hope the solution maintains what you need/like about Lanes, but for many of us this has become a glaring issue... I can't manage to state strongly enough how much this issue is painful.... and debilitating for me. Sure I manage to get my work done anyway... But with much extra work and frustration that was enver experienced in Sonar before... Please! Fix This! Quickly! Someone hear our plea.... Now back to my comping nightmare.... I'll scream so more about it later... Meanwhile, keep up the talk... Let's make sure The Bakers know just how dis-satisfied so many of us are and how badly these issues need to be addressed... ...and for those happy with how things currently are? I hope your projects are fun and plentiful.... Just don't forget those of us suffering in the wake of this.... A very sad Sonar user.... Please don't destroy my faith in Cakewalk.... Even tho Roland now "owns" it... Keni
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/18 14:12:28
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I like the Automation lanes but I don't like Take lanes, I just don't see them as an improvement in their current implementation. Dan
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/18 17:47:38
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"They're not finished baking yet." Cakewalk's ovens are too slow for their cooks.
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/18 17:55:59
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I agree about the Automation Lanes. While certainly far from awesome, imo, I honestly like them. Take Lanes need some more thought, though. I can't argue with the power of Take Lanes, but simply the quirks and visual aspects of it are not what I'd judge "ready for prime time". I just don't get how these quirks and things weren't looked at with more scrutiny. It seems more like they are an after-thought, than something X2 originally had in store. Like the FX chain in Pro-Channel. You can add FX there or in the track. Why couldn't those be somehow more cohesive?
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/18 19:11:01
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Whew! It's not just me being Mr. Negative ... you guys hate Take Lanes too. They really suck. No other way to put it. I swear someone at Pro Tools has planted a saboteur at Cakewalk.
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/18 23:20:32
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Layers are more efficient within the context of screen real estate. And for comping. in most situations that I encounter... ...and, of course, all IMHO. No other DAW had anything like it. I know some prefer lanes, but I'm glad to see more people coming out on the side of layers because I believe the best way forward is to support both lanes and layers, just like there are two ways of handling envelopes. Please, bring back layers. Ad a few fixes for lanes too...
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/18 23:27:44
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I don't agree at all with supporting both layers and lanes, IMO the best way forward is too pick one and do it well, not half baked having to wait for the next version or 2, if ever, of getting a well developed important feature implemented. Dan
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/19 00:21:37
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I understand the argument of making just one thing better and the concern of spreading resources across two approaches. But by that reasoning we may want conclude that it's better to remove "in place" envelope editing and concentrate effort on editing envelopes in lanes....or get rid of the console and concentrate on the track view. I know the last example is a wee bit overboard, but the one before it isn't and there are many here that would not want to see lanes trump the "legacy" approach for editing envelopes. I think both styles have their merits and I'd prefer to keep both available. Layers were almost perfect for me, and lanes is very far from perfect and I can't see them ever catching up on the very things that I mentioned in my previous post: screen real estate usage and some of the comping features. I hope I'm proven wrong, but I'd still like to see both provided.
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/19 12:23:53
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I especially hate the way zoom works with take lanes. It's almost like the idea for this feature came from someone who never used the product. Yes! Who wants to zoom the empty track space next to the track header and have limited Zoom in the Lanes. X2 is designed for touchscreen implementation I'm afraid. That must be why we've got the "Smart Tools" that often take two hands to make an edit.
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/28 18:18:52
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Bump so the "bakers" don't miss this. Plus, my frustration continues. Funny, I used to think layers needed some work and was really looking forward to lanes as I thought it would basically be a more developed implementation of layers w/o the quirks. It has turned out to be NOTHING like that at all unfortunately. Now I find myself wishing to have layers back even w/ it's small quirks.
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/28 18:22:51
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Mike McQ loves 'em. It's the main reason he upgraded to X2
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Re:Cakewalk please take a serious look at take lanes.....
2013/01/28 21:57:55
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I know that if it happened to me I would be frustrated as well. Again I encourage you to contact Cake with a problem report here http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/ProblemReporter/ The more people that do the higher the problem will get in the development queue.
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