cparmerlee
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Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
It has become a truism that the "power of the DAW" has mostly migrated from the basic DAW platform to the collection of plug-ins (instruments and effects). The bad news is there will probably never be a way to open an old SONAR project under another DAW. The next best thing, IMHO, would be for all the VSTs to be available in whatever DAW we have to move on to. I am thinking of things like Adaptive Limiter, Rapture Pro etc.
I don't know whether these VSTs are open or locked at this point. But if they are locked to where they can only run under SONAR, it seems the least Cakewalk/Gibson should do is make this technology freely available to all paid-up SONAR users.
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/11/23 11:43:06
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☄ Helpfulby MusicforMovies 2017/11/24 22:20:45
I agree with this one hundred percent!!!!
As a “life time user” I’m extremely disappointed with the announcement. When I paid the life time upgrade a friend of my told me that Cakewalk wouldn’t last long. Somehow he made the prediction based on Cakewalk’s position in the DAW market and the ambitious plans Cakewalk had. He said that Cakewalk wouldn’t maintain profitable based on the amount of users. Unfortunately he was correct.
I still like Cakewalk but with no development and upgrades I unfortunately must move on.
The same friend introduced me to his DAW, Studio One. I would like to port my projects but have the problem that the VST’s (some) are locked!!
It would be nice and probably the least Cakewalk could do for its faithful (life time) users to unlock these VST’s to enable project conversion to another DAW.
Thanks in advance Cakewalk for this!!!
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/11/24 22:17:00
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/11/24 23:55:13
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After installing a couple of DAW demos this past couple of days, I've realized how much I actually prefer Sonar.
(I say actually because on YouTube I thought a few other DAW UIs looked better, but in the flesh, I didn't like them.)
So, I've also been wondering how to finally acquire an upgrade to Platinum (from Professional), plus how to get Rapture Pro and Z3TA+ 2, both demos of which I've tried before.
(At a discount of course, considering, but I would be willing to pay the Cakewalk team..)
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/11/25 00:11:53
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Most all of your standard Cakewalk plugs like Sonitus, Dimension, Rapture, etc. will work. Only a few like BREVERB, TH2 & 3 won't.
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/11/25 00:26:00
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I agree, I am a Cubase 9.5 and Sonar plat user, and there are some "cakewalk locked" plugins I would like to keep using in cubase or other daws. Plugins such as Breverb 2 or nomad factory plugins. TH3 works inside cubase but needs a new licence. btw cakewalk products were on sale on steam, fortunately I grabbed zeta+2 and rapture pro very cheap before they were removed. Oh wait you can still buy rapture pro.
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/11/25 00:32:41
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I would guess that the licensing agreements with Overloud and Nomad Factory would explicitly prohibit this, but I don't know for sure. Shame, because I really like those Nomad Factory plugins. Guess among other things I'll be looking again at the Waves equivalents.
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/11/25 00:32:44
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armodeus
TH3 works inside cubase.
Don't know about Cubase but the demos I've tried don't work with it. Maybe you have an upgraded version?
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/11/25 00:44:17
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As noted by rmfegley above, Cakewalk my be contractually prohibited from unlocking the third-party plugins. I suspect those vendors would be reluctant to OK it, since they'd rather you bought the full product from them.
However, the plugin most people seem to want made portable is Adaptive Limiter, and that (I believe) was developed in-house and therefore entirely Cakewalk's intellectual property. Assuming Gibson says it's OK, it would be trivial for them to compile an unlocked version. Don't hold your breath, though; it's still a valuable asset to Gibson and another company might want to buy it.
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/11/25 00:53:37
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monleo2014
...I still like Cakewalk but with no development and upgrades I unfortunately must move on.
I'm curious... What is the rush from everyone to "move on" from Sonar? If you have a working DAW with hardware in good condition, simply "freeze" your OS/Software installs in place, take a backup image of your install drive, and go on with your day. Whatever version of Sonar that you own will continue to work so long as you have hardware and an OS that can run it... There is no reason to update a working install of Windows on a DAW, (which can cause issues), or rush out to get a new DAW tommorow...
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/11/25 01:06:51
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☄ Helpfulby paul jenkins 2017/12/10 13:35:45
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monleo2014
...I still like Cakewalk but with no development and upgrades I unfortunately must move on.
I'm curious... What is the rush from everyone to "move on" from Sonar? If you have a working DAW with hardware in good condition, simply "freeze" your OS/Software installs in place, take a backup image of your install drive, and go on with your day. Whatever version of Sonar that you own will continue to work so long as you have hardware and an OS that can run it... There is no reason to update a working install of Windows on a DAW, (which can cause issues), or rush out to get a new DAW tommorow...
Not everyone, Sonar is working perfectly, up to date and in great shape, it is still alive althought some people want to bury it alive asap. I will be using it at least for another year. No need to freeze the OS, at least for me. For instance, I installed sonar x3 on win10 and It was working perfectly. some say sonar 8.5 is still working on win10.
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cparmerlee
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/11/25 04:29:29
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☄ Helpfulby user4325874 2017/12/06 21:35:37
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Adaptive Limiter,... Don't hold your breath, though; it's still a valuable asset to Gibson and another company might want to buy it.
That is my guess as well. But I do believe they should do this for anybody who either bought the Sonar4Life version or was on the monthly/annual subscription and was paid up at the time when Cakewalk pulled the plug. I'm sure nobody is going to sue them, but it would be a nice and appropriate gesture, IMHO.
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/11/25 04:33:48
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☄ Helpfulby jhughs 2017/12/29 02:48:49
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What is the rush from everyone to "move on" from Sonar?
Personally, I am not going to create any new projects in SONAR because I don't know how long it will keep working. I have the full version of StudioOne, and I'll simply start using that for everything as I continue to look at other DAWs. I am sure we al have dozens hundreds, or even thousands of SONAR projects. There will come a day when you cannot open these. There are probably 25 of those where I will want to carry them forward into another DAW, so over time I guess I will manually pull the MIDI from SONAR and build it into another DAW. I can re-mix using the tools in whatever DAW I use, but I don't want to lose that MIDI.
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/11/25 23:44:23
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Exactly like you, cparmerlee. I will use another DAW for my new projects, and try to import the rest with MIDI in another DAW. Certainly Cubase, because of its position on the market and the chord track.
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/12/06 08:51:08
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Not only should they unlock them, they should severely discount any and all sound packs for any and all Cakewalk Instruments.....
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/12/06 09:36:50
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Sonar is dead time to let it go. That is just reality. You are risking losing all your projects when the server goes down.
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/12/06 09:45:37
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The reason why cakewalk went under. Was because of us and are strangle hold on the product. If they tried new things alot of us would get mad. We made sonar exclusive in an open market what would have been best would have been for the product to be open to a market. I seriously believe Sonar became the old mans DAW. Younger more succesful people use other DAWS and wouldnt touch Sonar. The you tube videos appeal only to old people the use of intro music on their videos was awful. I complained about this and all was said is our customers like the choice of music. I said you are trying to get new customers not retain the old. The strangle hold was too much and Gibson had to let it go. Sorry to say but we killed Sonar cos of our old ways and didnt embrace change. Just like the post im staying with Sonar and no other DAW compare posts. In reality more producers are succesful using other DAWS and they dont use them because they stumbled across it. They use them because of how they can use their super talent.
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/12/06 09:51:44
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Why keep flogging a dead horse. Move on life is too short to hold on to a horse that won't ride. Cos it is dead.
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/12/06 10:16:04
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/12/06 10:22:00
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cparmerlee
It has become a truism that the "power of the DAW" has mostly migrated from the basic DAW platform to the collection of plug-ins (instruments and effects). The bad news is there will probably never be a way to open an old SONAR project under another DAW. The next best thing, IMHO, would be for all the VSTs to be available in whatever DAW we have to move on to. I am thinking of things like Adaptive Limiter, Rapture Pro etc.
I don't know whether these VSTs are open or locked at this point. But if they are locked to where they can only run under SONAR, it seems the least Cakewalk/Gibson should do is make this technology freely available to all paid-up SONAR users.
Cakewalk isn't going to do anything for you or any other cakewalk sonar user. You have heard from Presonus/Cubase/Overloud etc. But nothing from cake/sonar except goodbye. Not looking for anything from them, and whatever they come up with, unless it's free . they can keep it. Sonar Platinum is mine, i paid for it. The rest from cakewalk is whatever. Craig gave a tip on how to unlock and or use some plugs in other daw's, but cake hasn't give anything but a goodbye so sorry, figure it out on your own. No tears for them, and i dont expect any tears for me from them. It is what is is. Not patronizing (spending any dollars on )anything gibson, for sure.
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/12/06 10:38:38
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Sad to see an Ole reliable Pal from 90s ( - esp in MIDI production )...sink into the icy sea.... But I realise I must move on.
For me ... REAPER is looking like the right candidate ,albeit still testing.
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/12/06 10:55:04
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Kingsmix you are right cakewalk have said nothing that shows real loyalty. Everyone else had responded Cubase Studio overloud maybe others. Cake even if they are sacked could atleast come here and give us a run down of how they saw the demise.
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/12/06 14:44:52
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cakewalk are restricted as to what they can unlock also, when has any business ever shown "real loyalty" to customers?? business is business 
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cparmerlee
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/12/06 15:29:11
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cakewalk are restricted as to what they can unlock
Certainly that could be true for any content that resulted from joint ventures, co-branding, or marketing alliances. But we have already heard from Overloud on that, and they were the most prominent such partner. And we have heard from Steinberg and Presonus and others. But nothing from GIbson/Cakewalk? Don't you think this is a significant enough issue that Gibson should communicate with its loyal customers?
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/12/06 15:35:51
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pwalpwal
cakewalk are restricted as to what they can unlock
Certainly that could be true for any content that resulted from joint ventures, co-branding, or marketing alliances. But we have already heard from Overloud on that, and they were the most prominent such partner. And we have heard from Steinberg and Presonus and others.
But nothing from GIbson/Cakewalk?
Don't you think this is a significant enough issue that Gibson should communicate with its loyal customers?
yes they should communicate, although i don't think they (businesses generally) use the word "loyal" in the same way the actual "loyal" customers do... anything offered by gibson/cakewalk now will only slow the closure, and which dev will do the unlock coding? personally i'm not expecting anything that they're not legally obliged to do
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/12/06 15:44:33
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Kingsmix you are right cakewalk have said nothing that shows real loyalty. Everyone else had responded Cubase Studio overloud maybe others. Cake even if they are sacked could atleast come here and give us a run down of how they saw the demise.
I don't think there is a cakewalk to show loyalty to customer. There is likely a handful of transition guys to handle things and they are not in position to do anything except very specific tasks as needed.
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/12/06 17:31:56
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☄ Helpfulby user4325874 2017/12/06 21:37:07
While Overloud and AAS have kindly allowed to use what people can use now, and that can be just a nice gift (which cost them a bit of time to prepare, keeping there labels inside your new DAW, so make sense from marketing perspective as well), all other (Steinberg, Magix, Presonus, etc.) are here to simply grab your money (except Presonus, they do not even have "special" prices for you...). So LOL to everyone who think they are responded driven by any other reason  Cakewalk has already declared that in case they stop servers, they will issue not expiring offline installer. That close the question about Sonar itself. I think that CW should: * unlock Adaptive Limiter. New plug-ins was a big part of "new features". It is clear that Drum Replacer and Vocalsync are Sonar specific. But this one is not. It was not declared as a "light version". * return Z3TA2 to old authorization. It was sold with one authorization but "updated" (just bug fixes) to another. Sorry to say, but that is BS. I think that CW may: * unlock Rapture Pro Session, if it is locked (the same reason as Adaptive Limiter). The rest I guess was not locked or can not be unlocked, till original authors do this (as Overloud and AAS).
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/12/06 17:48:12
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Cakewalk has already declared that in case they stop servers, they will issue not expiring offline installer. That close the question about Sonar itself.
weeellllll not officially, only noel in a forum post? or as there been an official (from cake or gib) statement about this i missed?
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/12/06 18:02:03
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azslow3
Cakewalk has already declared that in case they stop servers, they will issue not expiring offline installer. That close the question about Sonar itself.
weeellllll not officially, only noel in a forum post? or as there been an official (from cake or gib) statement about this i missed?
So Noel’s not official then ?
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Re: Cakewalk should unlock all Cakewalk VSTs
2017/12/06 18:03:14
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☄ Helpfulby pwalpwal 2017/12/06 18:24:28
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azslow3
Cakewalk has already declared that in case they stop servers, they will issue not expiring offline installer. That close the question about Sonar itself.
weeellllll not officially, only noel in a forum post? or as there been an official (from cake or gib) statement about this i missed?
https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2016000087/Gibson-Cakewalk-Announcement-FAQThat is not on forum and Noel is the only person who can write official Cakewalk statements. May be you want personal letter from Henry? I guess that will cost you more than you have paid for Sonar in total (I mean his salary per minute, to write the letter  )
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