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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/07 09:14:14 (permalink)
I've got Midi transpose allocated to Alt + t

Select your notes, hit Alt + t, enter the number of semitones you want to shift, click Ok. Done

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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/07 11:53:37 (permalink)
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So it appears that what you're saying was removed in X1 didn't even exist in 8.5.3.  Am I missing something?

It was available in 8.5.
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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/07 11:56:10 (permalink)
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In X1 they removed the ability to quick-group Key +/- making it a nightmare to try different keys for a singer.  So now in X2 they remove the ability to click and enter a number with your keypad.  Oh, but they didn't stop there.  Now it's a slider that goes to + or - 127 semitones!   (that's really usable)   How could it be worse you ask?  They also changed the brackets ([]) function to go in increments 8 semitones instead of an octave!


I suppose it makes sense in a way.  They don't believe anyone needs notation so who needs silly things like octaves and key changes.  Just grab a different loop.  


Why not use process-->transpose? Wouldn't that be the easiest way anyway? Even in 8.5 an earlier it was a menu command not a quick group.

That is destructive and after a few changes (or even 1) you have no idea what transposition you started in.  That is not a usable workaround for auditioning different keys.
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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/07 11:57:25 (permalink)
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I've got Midi transpose allocated to Alt + t

Select your notes, hit Alt + t, enter the number of semitones you want to shift, click Ok. Done

See above.
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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/07 14:02:58 (permalink)
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Interesting.  So why can't you double click to enter?
I think this was already mentioned but Double-Clicking returns the value to "0" so it wouldn't work to reimpliment it.
 
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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/07 21:32:58 (permalink)
Similar issue:

In 8.5 I could start transport and then open a midi track's properties and change the key value on the fly.

Can't figger how to do this now. Has not worked for me using the event ribbon lump.


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And:

This is supposed to be a user forum. But users have NO control of any of it.

The index is not updated regularly.

The forum top page has an announcements section that has not been updated for a year.

Are we not mostly adults around here? My teenage granddaughters use words I am likely to not use.

But the F word is appropriate here.  X2 has some great stuff. But and more stuff seemingly arbitrarily removed, and::::

 And more menus (take lanes).

Stuff that should have presets (screen sets, meter changes) do not.

And auto save-as is still not "auto."

And more vertical screen space has been confiscated (take lanes).

No doubt SX2-d will finally fix some stuff. And then we will get another upgrade with a bunch of,............

Well, don't get me started.
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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/07 21:50:39 (permalink)
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Are we not mostly adults around here? My teenage granddaughters use words I am likely to not use.

But the F word is appropriate here.  X2 has some great stuff. But and more stuff seemingly arbitrarily removed, and::::

      
Of all the things in this world that are actually offensive the "F word" is not even on the list.  I can't account for other people's priorities.
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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/07 21:54:21 (permalink)
I don;t like this change, and have already posted about it myself. But the tone of this thread is really just appalling. VV: grow up and make your complaints and opinions known like an adult would, if you want anyone to listen to them.

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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/08 03:49:57 (permalink)
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In X1 they removed the ability to quick-group Key +/- making it a nightmare to try different keys for a singer.  So now in X2 they remove the ability to click and enter a number with your keypad.  Oh, but they didn't stop there.  Now it's a slider that goes to + or - 127 semitones!   (that's really usable)   How could it be worse you ask?  They also changed the brackets ([]) function to go in increments 8 semitones instead of an octave!


I suppose it makes sense in a way.  They don't believe anyone needs notation so who needs silly things like octaves and key changes.  Just grab a different loop.  


Why not use process-->transpose? Wouldn't that be the easiest way anyway? Even in 8.5 an earlier it was a menu command not a quick group.

That is destructive and after a few changes (or even 1) you have no idea what transposition you started in.  That is not a usable workaround for auditioning different keys.


Come on this is easily worked around.

Transpose your material.

Don't like it? didn't it work?

Hit Ctrl + z and try a different transposition

It only becomes destructive once you've saved & exited the project, otherwise ctrl + z is always there to undo changes.

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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/08 08:40:08 (permalink)
Hmmm...  Would the Transpose MIDI plugin work for this?
 

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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/08 09:02:59 (permalink)
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Are we not mostly adults around here? My teenage granddaughters use words I am likely to not use.

But the F word is appropriate here.  X2 has some great stuff. But and more stuff seemingly arbitrarily removed, and::::

    
Of all the things in this world that are actually offensive the "F word" is not even on the list.  I can't account for other people's priorities.


No! This is absurd. This is clearly in violation of the TOS. That should not be the reason for one to be careful with what words are used but it is a good reason. What you fail to understand is we have members that are under 12 and its an open forum allowing anyone to read it.

You have read posts on this thread that object to the word you have used that should be more than enough to reconsider its use. You are showing a total disregard for your fellow forum members.

There are many words that will express your displeasure such as "messed up" or "screwed" or "destroyed" that will not hold the same repugnance to others.

The word you chose is not only profanity but is a vulgarism that is highly unbecoming of you and is unrepresentative of this forum.  

Please change it ASAP.


  

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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/08 09:07:29 (permalink)
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Are we not mostly adults around here? My teenage granddaughters use words I am likely to not use.

But the F word is appropriate here.  X2 has some great stuff. But and more stuff seemingly arbitrarily removed, and::::

    
Of all the things in this world that are actually offensive the "F word" is not even on the list.  I can't account for other people's priorities.


Are you serious?.. it is obnoxious, offensive and disgusting to use language like that in (what is usually) a considerate and responsible forum...

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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/08 09:18:59 (permalink)
Yeah, if you want to use language like that, there are plenty of other forums out there that will let you say EXACTLY what you're thinking in full, uncensored, unexpurgated language.

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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/08 10:23:15 (permalink)
I rarely use this word aloud.

I do not like to hear it, generally.

I do not like reading it where children will see it.

In this case the word is not actually spelled. Yet most know what word was/is intended.

This word has been used for centuries, by hundreds of millions (prolly billions) of humans, in thousands of ways, and with thousands of meanings.

I am of the 60's generation when it was thought the prohibition againt the public use of such words was a part of the absurd "double standards" that could be observed everywhere: race, gender, clothing,...

I am always sad to hear it used to mean something bad. Cuz it is at origin, a word that describes a behavior I find most pleasurable.

But, it is clear, in this culture, we do not speak of such physical actions.

TV is full of true graphic dismemberment, stories of anguish and insanity. Yet we cannot even use the words to describe, let alone observe, humans actually engaged in what is one of the most essential of human behaviors.

I prefer "swear" words were less used.

But,....

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X2: So how do I change midi note offset while the transport is engaged?
Using the event lump does not seem to do so while playing, only when stopped.
What am I doing wrong?
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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/08 12:06:41 (permalink)
Language and pleasurable aside....  
 
Before I left for work today I tried a quick test using the Transpose MXF.   With the dialog open, double-click the Offset field, use the +/- keys to shift up or down and Enter to select the desired key.   Repeat as needed.
 
I know it's not what the OP was looking for, but it does use a similar key combo so perhaps it'll work for now.
 

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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/08 12:08:51 (permalink)
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But, it is clear, in this culture, we do not speak of such physical actions.

TV is full of true graphic dismemberment, stories of anguish and insanity. Yet we cannot even use the words to describe, let alone observe, humans actually engaged in what is one of the most essential of human behaviors.


The news is full of such things as well and it is not considered obscene.  When such things are considered OK for public display and are indeed a multi-billion dollar industry, I question the values of people who feel in some way harmed by by my merely alluding to a word.  However, it is fine with me if they wish to feel that way.  Cakewalk can even remove this post if they wish.  I think the title is appropriate.  
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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/08 12:38:43 (permalink)
The fact this guy is douchey enough not to concede that it's inappropriate speaks volume. I use the f-word plenty, but most of us have enough common decency and common sense to know when it's inappropriate. I have directed clergy members to this site for help with Sonar products with the assumption that most content is g-rated. I understand that humans are hypocritical creatures, but as long as we have the understanding that most of us don't drop words considered offensive by the vast majority in public forums, it works for us, despite the silliness of giving words that much power.
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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/08 12:43:39 (permalink)
  I'm with John on this. Not appropriate at all.

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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/08 12:48:34 (permalink)
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The fact this guy is douchey enough not to concede that it's inappropriate speaks volume. I use the f-word plenty, but most of us have enough common decency and common sense to know when it's inappropriate. I have directed clergy members to this site for help with Sonar products with the assumption that most content is g-rated. I understand that humans are hypocritical creatures, but as long as we have the understanding that most of us don't drop words considered offensive by the vast majority in public forums, it works for us, despite the silliness of giving words that much power.

And you feel that " douchey" is not offensive?
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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/08 13:03:05 (permalink)
this is classic douchey behavior. It's like dealing with my children. When they are called on their inappropriate behavior, their reaction is to point fingers at what the other did to shift the convo from their own actions. When a child does it, it's childish. When an adult does it, it's douchey. Unlike you, I can freely admit the term may not be acceptable. I'm not sure. My yardstick is typically , if one can say the word on broadcast tv or broadcast radio, it's pushing it but deemed acceptable by enough of society not to draw a fine. in no part of the country is it acceptable to say the f-word in public media legally accessible to children without drawing a fine, scorn or both.
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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/08 13:05:08 (permalink)
and let's just say that that "douchey" was held to the same standard as the f-word (which you know it is not), that still leaves you in the position of justifying your actions with the 7 year old like response of "but mom, nevermind what i did, this is what he did".
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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/08 13:37:23 (permalink)
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The fact this guy is douchey enough not to concede that it's inappropriate speaks volume. I use the f-word plenty, but most of us have enough common decency and common sense to know when it's inappropriate. I have directed clergy members to this site for help with Sonar products with the assumption that most content is g-rated. I understand that humans are hypocritical creatures, but as long as we have the understanding that most of us don't drop words considered offensive by the vast majority in public forums, it works for us, despite the silliness of giving words that much power.


This is simply an excellent post.  Deeply thought out.  I couldn't agree more. Being an Ex GI I know a few words myself.


I do not want CW to change it even though they have every right to do so. I want Vintage to do it voluntarily because the forum has asked.



 

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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/08 13:38:42 (permalink)
This forum really needs a facepalm smiley.
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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/08 14:12:24 (permalink)
So...  did you have a chance to try the Transpose MXF?   Just curious whether it "felt" any better from a key combo angle.
 

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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/08 14:18:47 (permalink)
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So...  did you have a chance to try the Transpose MXF?   Just curious whether it "felt" any better from a key combo angle.
 

I've used that before but it's still more keystrokes to add the MFX.  I can live with the new methods learned in this thread for octave up/down but the worst part is having no way to group it.  I audition different keys quite a lot and all of the workarounds for grouping are error prone and cumbersome.  IMO the function was broken in X1 and seriously need to be fixed.  I can see no reason for this widget to behave differently from the other similar widgets other than is was inadvertently broken.
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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/08 14:24:41 (permalink)
Cool, I was just curious.
 

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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/08 14:27:36 (permalink)
You really don't need to title a thread like this..   You are not, "cakewalks only customer."   And you should have more respect for:

A. Cakewalk
B.  Other customers using the software with zero problems.

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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/08 14:39:12 (permalink)
Although I do not feel comfortable with these words, i do not find them offensive.

Which can be found in anything by the ignorant.

Words drive primitives to make others explode.

Stupid but true.  Hence we must be careful, cuz it is not always possible to identify the idiots before they behave badly.

Where's judge Roy Bean when he is most needed?

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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/08 15:09:02 (permalink)
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In X1 they removed the ability to quick-group Key +/- making it a nightmare to try different keys for a singer.  So now in X2 they remove the ability to click and enter a number with your keypad.  Oh, but they didn't stop there.  Now it's a slider that goes to + or - 127 semitones!   (that's really usable)   How could it be worse you ask?  They also changed the brackets ([]) function to go in increments 8 semitones instead of an octave!


I suppose it makes sense in a way.  They don't believe anyone needs notation so who needs silly things like octaves and key changes.  Just grab a different loop.  


Why not use process-->transpose? Wouldn't that be the easiest way anyway? Even in 8.5 an earlier it was a menu command not a quick group.

That's what I do. Works fine.

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Re:Cakewalk totally f**ked up Key +/- ! 2012/10/08 17:46:40 (permalink)
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In X1 they removed the ability to quick-group Key +/- making it a nightmare to try different keys for a singer.  So now in X2 they remove the ability to click and enter a number with your keypad.  Oh, but they didn't stop there.  Now it's a slider that goes to + or - 127 semitones!   (that's really usable)   How could it be worse you ask?  They also changed the brackets ([]) function to go in increments 8 semitones instead of an octave!


I suppose it makes sense in a way.  They don't believe anyone needs notation so who needs silly things like octaves and key changes.  Just grab a different loop.  


Why not use process-->transpose? Wouldn't that be the easiest way anyway? Even in 8.5 an earlier it was a menu command not a quick group.

That's what I do. Works fine.

The problem with that is that it's destructive and after you changed a few times it's very difficult to get back to where you were if what you are doing is auditioning different keys.
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