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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
2011/09/17 10:39:21
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All this time I thought I was being polite by completely abstaining from telling my pals out in the real world what I think of a soft ware package that I have 15 years detailed work experience with.
I keep my critical thoughts about SONAR "in-house"... so to speak.
And I do tell other folks out in the real world that SONAR is my favorite... even if that's not a great career move. ;-)
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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
2011/09/17 10:40:48
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grumbleweed4162
It doesn't matter. A patch does nothing without the main program.
Why are you treating this like it is a legitimate query? Why are you still posting when you said you were out of here?
I see what you are saying. Maybe I should re word the question? best, mike
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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
2011/09/17 10:41:48
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You had a duty?!?!?!? Yes, to annoy Jonbouy.  There was humor in that remark even if it was obscure.
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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
2011/09/17 10:44:19
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grumbleweed4162
Jonbouy
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Normally, a person can't download the patches from the Cakewalk support site, unless they prove that they made a purchase of the product (which is done by entering a product key the first time an attempt is made to download a patch for a particular product.) If it seems a person can download a patch without entering a product key, it's most likely because that person has been to the CW site previously and entered a product key for that product, or because CW made a mistake and the site is allowing downloads without proof of purchase.
And of course, the other way to get a patch is the illigitimate way dealing with software piracy. And I wont elaborate on that.
Is it that they are availble because they are installers that detect the product is in fact installed on the target machine, whereas the Quick Fixes are not accessable because they are just drag and drop perhaps?
It doesn't matter. A patch does nothing without the main program.
Why are you treating this like it is a legitimate query? Why are you still posting when you said you were out of here?
When did I say that? I said I didn't care anymore. It was the original question I was answering, I took it at face value. IIRC it was you calling names because somebody asked it, not me remember? Besides a 'patch' like the Quick Fix would matter if it was the main .exe which is what I was saying. The art that is lacking here lately is to engage in the actual point not what you've judged the person making to it be like. That's just called prejudice.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2011/09/17 10:51:51
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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
2011/09/17 10:46:56
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John
You had a duty?!?!?!?
Yes, to annoy Jonbouy. There was humor in that remark even if it was obscure.
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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
2011/09/17 10:50:43
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John
You had a duty?!?!?!?
Yes, to annoy Jonbouy. There was humor in that remark even if it was obscure.
I didn't get it.
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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
2011/09/17 10:51:21
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Jonbouy
grumbleweed4162
Jonbouy
thomasabarnes
Normally, a person can't download the patches from the Cakewalk support site, unless they prove that they made a purchase of the product (which is done by entering a product key the first time an attempt is made to download a patch for a particular product.) If it seems a person can download a patch without entering a product key, it's most likely because that person has been to the CW site previously and entered a product key for that product, or because CW made a mistake and the site is allowing downloads without proof of purchase.
And of course, the other way to get a patch is the illigitimate way dealing with software piracy. And I wont elaborate on that.
Is it that they are availble because they are installers that detect the product is in fact installed on the target machine, whereas the Quick Fixes are not accessable because they are just drag and drop perhaps?
It doesn't matter. A patch does nothing without the main program.
Why are you treating this like it is a legitimate query? Why are you still posting when you said you were out of here?
When did I say that?
I said I didn't care anymore.
It was the original question I was answering, I took it at face value. IIRC it was you calling names because somebody asked it, not me remember?
Besides a 'patch' like the Quick Fix would matter if it was the main .exe which is what I was saying.
The art is to engage in the actual point not what you've judged the person making to it be like. That's called prejudice.
13836 posts and you took the question at face value? Tragic.
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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
2011/09/17 10:52:54
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grumbleweed4162
13836 posts and you took the question at face value? Tragic.
I know. But there you are. Helpful to a fault me.
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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
2011/09/17 10:54:34
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Jonbouy
grumbleweed4162
13836 posts and you took the question at face value? Tragic.
I know. But there you are.
Helpful to a fault me.
Have I wound you up as you are a Pompey supporter or something? 
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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
2011/09/17 11:01:56
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I wish John wouldn't libel me with his untruthful statements. It's not only rude... it's a crime.
I've never discouraged anyone from buying X1. I bought my license way before John... and I encouraged John to buy his license ASAP.
I recommend that everyone buy X1 et al so Cakewalk can stay afloat with the revenue.
In fact... as in it's a fact... I even petitioned Cakewalk to price X1 at the old $179.00 upgrade price so that Cakewalk could afford to do even more work.
It's a fact that Cakewalk only thought it did $99.00 worth of work.
I find that unfortunate.
Let me be clear.
I think any of us who can afford it... and I hope that is at least 100% of the guys using SONAR to generate revenue... should be petitioning Cakewalk for the opurtunity to engage it's services with a higher commitment of financial support.
I'm all for it. Sign me up.
When can I buy X2?
all the best,
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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
2011/09/17 11:08:14
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It took me 8 years because I am not the brightest bulb in the house, but I see how it works now. - Supposed users forum. . .
- Number of dissatisfied users . . .
- Poor marketing decisions caused it . . .
- Certain "users" allowed free reign to unabashedly berate and belittle . . .
- Certain "users" speak with emphatic certainty of a new corporate direction while simultaneously directing dissatisfied users to get lost. . . like it or else . . .
- Crisis management . . .
- No response by legimate Corporate forum owner/mods to recognize or attempt to mediate or even placate the disgruntled . . .
- Looks fishy . . . .
- Smells fishy . . .
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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
2011/09/17 11:08:28
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grumbleweed4162
Jonbouy
grumbleweed4162
13836 posts and you took the question at face value? Tragic.
I know. But there you are.
Helpful to a fault me.
Have I wound you up as you are a Pompey supporter or something?
Yeah, ya scummer...lol. Nah, I'm a gooner, I'm just bad-tempered presently... I live up in East Sussex, we don't have football round our way, my Mrs. is a Pompey gal though.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2011/09/17 11:14:59
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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
2011/09/17 11:13:45
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Jonbouy
grumbleweed4162
Jonbouy
grumbleweed4162
13836 posts and you took the question at face value? Tragic.
I know. But there you are.
Helpful to a fault me.
Have I wound you up as you are a Pompey supporter or something?
Yeah, ya scummer...lol.
Nah, I'm a gooner, I'm just bad-tempered presently...
That explains everything . See you next year. Grum.
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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
2011/09/17 11:16:40
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mike_mccue
I wish John wouldn't libel me with his untruthful statements. It's not only rude... it's a crime.
I did attempt to preserve the evidence.
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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
2011/09/17 11:16:55
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mike_mccue
I wish John wouldn't libel me with his untruthful statements. It's not only rude... it's a crime.
I've never discouraged anyone from buying X1. I bought my license way before John... and I encouraged John to buy his license ASAP.
I recommend that everyone buy X1 et al so Cakewalk can stay afloat with the revenue.
In fact... as in it's a fact... I even petitioned Cakewalk to price X1 at the old $179.00 upgrade price so that Cakewalk could afford to do even more work.
It's a fact that Cakewalk only thought it did $99.00 worth of work.
I find that unfortunate.
Let me be clear.
I think any of us who can afford it... and I hope that is at least 100% of the guys using SONAR to generate revenue... should be petitioning Cakewalk for the opurtunity to engage it's services with a higher commitment of financial support.
I'm all for it. Sign me up.
When can I buy X2?
all the best,
mike
I am only giving my conclusions on how you have gone about your diatribe against X1. Nor can an opinion be a crime. Do you remember your first post with your not likeing X1? I was there and was supportive even as I said I disagreed with you. You have not stopped your diatribe. Nor do you appear to promote X1. To say you do is disingenuous. You have not done what you once did in helping users solve problems but add to the chorus of disgruntled users when ever the opportunity arises. I don't think you would characterize your general view as being positive toward X1 if you are being honest. This thread is an example of just how far you will go in bashing X1. You may see it otherwise but some of us see it for what it is. Believe me when I say it is not a happy thing to observe in a member I had so much respect for.
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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
2011/09/17 11:30:27
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Well I have to agree 100% with John here. Sorry Mike, I really liked your helpfulnesses when I visit the forum for the first time a few years ago, but now I can really say you lost a big part of my respect and you are (in my humble opinion) rapidly becoming the anti-these of helpful.. I really don't know why somebody goes on such a special crusade against anything "X1" for months and months, but it seems you made it a daily job. Well fortunately there are people here that are really helping newcomers and people with questions is stead of telling them (wrongly) they have crappy software...
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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
2011/09/17 11:33:40
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mike_mccue
I recommend that everyone buy X1 et al so Cakewalk can stay afloat with the revenue.
In fact... as in it's a fact... I even petitioned Cakewalk to price X1 at the old $179.00 upgrade price so that Cakewalk could afford to do even more work.
It's a fact that Cakewalk only thought it did $99.00 worth of work.
I find that unfortunate.
Let me be clear.
I think any of us who can afford it... and I hope that is at least 100% of the guys using SONAR to generate revenue... should be petitioning Cakewalk for the opurtunity to engage it's services with a higher commitment of financial support.
I'm all for it. Sign me up.
When can I buy X2?
all the best,
mike
See again contrary to John's view that I merely back Mike up. I disagree with this and have a different view. I entered the fray at version 7 on the express promise the Sonar 7 was a capable Rewire host. Well it was but with caveats to do with Sonar's Rewire implementation. I have submitted reports since that version and currently it's plans on addressing my submitted issues on Rewire stand at 'submitted to development'. I faithfully went from, 7 via 8 to 8.5, when it came to X1 I got somebody on the forum to test out Rewire's issues. When I learned that they still hadn't been addressed I stopped paying the supscription with the view that why should I keep paying for advertised functionality that never gets fully implemented. I'm not going to part with more money until it does get addressed. It just so happens that the X1 upgrade would not have furnished me with any greater capability than I already have. I would not prevent anybody else making their own purchasing decisions, but I never buy anything on spec, I always look beyond the marketing to see what's actually there. Some people obviously have felt threatened by my doing that though judging by some of the real nastiness that's been directed at me the last few days, which I find strange and a bit disconcerting. But if I find something being billed as great new technological breakthrough as just a VST with a different mask I'm going to say so, or it least ask if that is actually all it is. I think Mike and I along with many other Sonar devotees want the same thing it's all down to different approaches. How somebody can just try and shout down members he disagrees with or takes it upon himself to have a duty to annoy. Well that just about takes the biscuit.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2011/09/17 11:37:51
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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
2011/09/17 11:35:15
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John
mike_mccue
I wish John wouldn't libel me with his untruthful statements. It's not only rude... it's a crime.
I've never discouraged anyone from buying X1. I bought my license way before John... and I encouraged John to buy his license ASAP.
I recommend that everyone buy X1 et al so Cakewalk can stay afloat with the revenue.
In fact... as in it's a fact... I even petitioned Cakewalk to price X1 at the old $179.00 upgrade price so that Cakewalk could afford to do even more work.
It's a fact that Cakewalk only thought it did $99.00 worth of work.
I find that unfortunate.
Let me be clear.
I think any of us who can afford it... and I hope that is at least 100% of the guys using SONAR to generate revenue... should be petitioning Cakewalk for the opurtunity to engage it's services with a higher commitment of financial support.
I'm all for it. Sign me up.
When can I buy X2?
all the best,
mike
I am only giving my conclusions on how you have gone about your diatribe against X1. Nor can an opinion be a crime. Do you remember your first post with your not likeing X1? I was there and was supportive even as I said I disagreed with you.
You have not stopped your diatribe. Nor do you appear to promote X1. To say you do is disingenuous. You have not done what you once did in helping users solve problems but add to the chorus of disgruntled users when ever the opportunity arises.
I don't think you would characterize your general view as being positive toward X1 if you are being honest. This thread is an example of just how far you will go in bashing X1.
You may see it otherwise but some of us see it for what it is. Believe me when I say it is not a happy thing to observe in a member I had so much respect for.
The OP was a simple question about downloading patches. John quite simply you were completely out of line.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2011/09/17 11:40:38
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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
2011/09/17 11:39:58
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mike_mccue
I wish John wouldn't libel me with his untruthful statements. It's not only rude... it's a crime.
Call the cops, they take this kind of thing really seriously.
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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
2011/09/17 11:43:33
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Anyway, during the lifetime of this thread I've more less finished a mix that's sounding great to my ears. Should be able to put the invoice in next week.
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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
2011/09/17 11:44:12
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John T
mike_mccue
I wish John wouldn't libel me with his untruthful statements. It's not only rude... it's a crime.
Call the cops, they take this kind of thing really seriously.
Funnily enough, they do here these days.
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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
2011/09/17 11:45:04
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You can't be that ignorant of who Mike is here Jonbouy. He, unlike you, has X1. Or didn't you know that? He knows very well the entire method to get and install all patches. He has been doing that for a very long time now with all versions of Sonar.
To post what he has in this thread is not being inquisitive but being as he has become, provocative.
This is not the first thread he has posted of this sort and you know it.
To plead innocence here is absurd.
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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
2011/09/17 11:45:42
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Jonbouy
The OP was a simple question about downloading patches.
1/ No it wasn't, it was silly trolling. 2/ You actually already know this. You are basically being Mike's equivalent of that little yippy goblin that sits on Jabba the Hutt's shoulder. It's embarrassing man, seriously.
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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
2011/09/17 11:46:17
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Jonbouy
thomasabarnes
Normally, a person can't download the patches from the Cakewalk support site, unless they prove that they made a purchase of the product (which is done by entering a product key the first time an attempt is made to download a patch for a particular product.) If it seems a person can download a patch without entering a product key, it's most likely because that person has been to the CW site previously and entered a product key for that product, or because CW made a mistake and the site is allowing downloads without proof of purchase.
And of course, the other way to get a patch is the illigitimate way dealing with software piracy. And I wont elaborate on that.
Is it that they are availble because they are installers that detect the product is in fact installed on the target machine, whereas the Quick Fixes are not accessable because they are just drag and drop perhaps?
I don't know why the patches can be downloaded without suppying a product key, but the quickfixes can't be downloaded unless a product key is entered. But, I was very sure downloading patches required a person to enter a product key, in the past. I just used my friend's wife computer and I was able to download X1c without having to enter a product key. I believe this is a change from the way it worked in the past. EDIT: Oh well, I reckon the answer to the OP is: yes. Even, though I didn't try to download all the X1 patches. :)
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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
2011/09/17 11:46:36
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Jonbouy
John T
mike_mccue
I wish John wouldn't libel me with his untruthful statements. It's not only rude... it's a crime.
Call the cops, they take this kind of thing really seriously.
Funnily enough, they do here these days.
Really, please call them, and keep us posted on how you get on.
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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
2011/09/17 11:48:30
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Normally, a person can't download the patches from the Cakewalk support site, unless they prove that they made a purchase of the product (which is done by entering a product key the first time an attempt is made to download a patch for a particular product.) If it seems a person can download a patch without entering a product key, it's most likely because that person has been to the CW site previously and entered a product key for that product, or because CW made a mistake and the site is allowing downloads without proof of purchase.
And of course, the other way to get a patch is the illigitimate way dealing with software piracy. And I wont elaborate on that.
Is it that they are availble because they are installers that detect the product is in fact installed on the target machine, whereas the Quick Fixes are not accessable because they are just drag and drop perhaps?
I don't know why the patches can be downloaded without suppying a product key, but the quickfixws can't be downloaded unless a product key is entered. But I was very sure downloading patches required a person to enter a product key, in the past.
I just used my friend's wife computer and I was able to download X1c without having to enter a product key. I believe this is a change from the way it worked in the past.
I assume it's just part of Cakewalks generally free and easy approach of assuming good faith from their customers. Same as having no copy protection and so on. I guess it's kind of like the directive to install on no more than two computers. They don't do anything to enforce that, they simply entrust people to act in good faith.
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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
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reason re-wired in I'd check any multi-out channels above the first pair you selected as stereo ins if I were you. They'll be summed mono mate. You have to wire them as hard panned left and right mono tracks routed to a stereo bus if you want to treat them as stereo channels. Bouncing more than one track at a time can be fun too as the length of silence at the end grows on each subsequent track, it's most fun on 32+ track counts... You can work around alll that with the right templates and a bit of work, but I reckon it would be much better if when it says Stereo it meant it.
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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
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I'm completely aware of that issue. Have been for years. I can actually tell the difference between a stereo signal and a mono one. I wouldn't have thought this a particularly notable skill.
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Re:Can I download X1a,b,c updates and patches with out buying SONAR X1?
2011/09/17 11:52:44
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What we should do if all agree is not respond to the two that are provoking our posting. It plays into their purpose in that people see the X1 forum as being in conflict. That is one way to keep people from getting X1. I think that is what they really want. So I will no longer post here in this thread.
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