Can I prevent Sonar from deleting my plugins (in the FX bin) when i hit the delete key?

I noticed with Sonar Platinum, (when i press the delete key) that i'm accidentally deleting plugins (and all the settings I programmed) from the FX bin- when i'm actually trying to delete a clip. I've been doing this for years and have never deleted a plugin before. The worse part, is that I usually don't notice until i've save the project and i'm listening to the mixdown. Then I scream "WHERE'S MY DELAY!!!!!" I checked the key commands. I didn't find it, but i could easily have missed something.
 
If anyone knows a fix, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT SO MUCH!!!!
If this is a new feature, i would love to get an on/off function so I can disable delete fx with "delete" shortcut.
 
 
 

I've never had this happen. The only way to use the Delete key to delete a plug is if you selected the plug right before hitting delete. Selecting the clip should move the slection (and thus the delete command) away from the plug. I'm not even sure if holding Ctrl after selecting the plug then selecting the clip and THEN hitting delete would cause this.
 
Something weird is going on here.

So...
 
Select Clip +
Select Plugin
=
Clip retains focus/selection as well as the plugin
 
User futzes with plugin (and maybe closes the plugin window).
Clip is still selected so user deletes clip.
Plugin turns into collateral damage from the delete.
 
I guess I can see that but I always double check my selections when doing any editing moves, especially a Delete action.
 
In fact I am OBSESSIVE with the Ctrl + Shift + A function (Deselect All) before making any kind of data selections and edits. I do that specifically to ensure I'm not altering/baleeting things offscreen or other stuff I am not aware is still selected. I had a HUGE problem with that when I first got going and of course Sonar's complex Selection/In Focus schemes can lead to all sorts of wackiness if one is not aware.
 
So my best answer...
 
Ctral + Shift + A... even when you think you don't need to. Just do it. All the time. Before EVERY selection. Then do it again and select again if there is a hint of doubt about what is selected.
 
If you are about to Delete something... do that like 10 freaking times if necessary.
 
I do.
 
/bumble thumbed spazzo

Are you using the mouse or keyboard to select clips? I tried to reproduce this and couldn't. The FX stayed in the FX bin and the clip was deleted. I recorded to clips one was a piano the other drums. Each 4 or 5 measures long. I selected the clip using the mouse. I used the delete key to delete. 

I have done this.
A Quick Ctrl-Z will make it as if it never happened. Settings and all iir.
 
I think in the case of a plugin there should be a "Are you Sure" dialog with [ ] don't show this again option.

I'm a heavy lasso-select user and have encountered the very issue a few times in the past. So, it's not a new behavior.
Unfortunately, you can only guess that the focus is still on the FX bin when the clip didn't get deleted and hit undo to bring back the plugin. I know, it shouldn't happen in the first place, but I don't think the behavior will change in the next.....few years, at least.
 
I frequently use the right-hand lasso even when I only need to select a single clip. This is because, with the left click, my hand could easily slip a bit and move the position of the clip a very little without noticing it. You might think that I should use the Lock Clip Position feature, but it not only locks the clip position but also disables the Nudge feature (which I want to use to  nudge note events up/down in the clip) and also CAL commands (which I want to use to change velocity values, etc.)
It's an officially confirmed bug.
 
 

 
So a clip is selected, then you open and close a plugin, and then expect the selected clip to delete if you hit delete.  I don't feel that this is a natural assumption since any number of things may have happened since selecting the clip.  Reproducing this problem, I wasn't surpised the clip doesn't delete, and I can understand the plugin disappearing since it's the last thing that was clicked on (though I agree it may disappear without your noticing).
 
Deselecting the clip when you click on something else would make sense to me.  It's odd that this doesn't already happen.
 

@Paul & Steve:
 
You can easily reproduce this, regardless of track type (audio/MIDI):
 
1. In the Track view, click an effect in the FX Rack. This will open the plugin window.
2. Lasso-select any clip in the Clips pane.
3. Hit Delete.
 
The effect in the FX Rack and the effect's property page disappear (get deleted) from the project.

It is not for a context menu but rather a lasso to select the clip (intent to shift focus, but doesn't take). Try what TakT posted and you will see.

Yep! Same problem: http://forum.cakewalk.com...-My-Pain-m3333681.aspx
 

2. Clip deleting by Del key doesn't delete the clip, but delets a plugin in a FX Bin. Why for G's sake should it do that?
This problem is easy to reproduce. After any operations in the FX Bin, select any clip(s) by rignt mouse button lasso (Smart Tool) and press Del on your keyboard. Voila.
Guess how many times I unsuccessfully tried to delete the clip, and then from my memory I tried to restore the order and settings of plug-ins? I do it all the time...

 
 
Guys, please, if you have the opportunity to leave CWBR request - do it! The only way we can solve our problems, but not a separate messages on the forum.
With faith in the best.

Anderton
This also appears to be intermittent. I tried to duplicate and couldn't, but then I could.

this is possibly the most troubling aspect of any bug, in that it implies the bug is "low level," or "far away" from the observed symptom...  i wonder if it's related to the "history/undo" issues?

I think that's what I said earlier.
 
It seems like when using the right mouse button to perform some action, eg lasso a number of clips, it does not override the previous "in focus" state for the plugin which would have been the last element to have been activated with a left mouse button action. I've tried it and that seems to be the case.
 
If I make a deliberate left mouse click on any one of the clips before I lasso them, then when using delete, it deleted the appropriately lassoed clips.
 
Something about right mouse button activity that I remember reading in a previous thread that seems to be of the same or similar nature.

mudgel
I think that's what I said earlier.

I must have missed it.  Sorry 'bout it.  Did you report the issue?  I think this needs to be squared away by Cakewalk.