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December 12, 15 7:06 AM (permalink)

Selecting/Focus: My Pain

New Sonar is a beautiful DAW, but there are some things, that ruin my workflow. Although they are not fatal bugs, they cause waste of time and effort.

1. Track Focus.
The only thing that signals a focus on the track in Sonar Platinum - highlighted track name. Check the screenshots:

Sonar X2


focused track highlighted - check (it could be even more contrast, I know),
click ANY area of the track to focus - check.

Sonar Platinum.


focused track highlighted - no, only name
click ANY area of the track to focus - no. Now FX Bin doesn't help here, and I need to aim at the desired area. You know how many times I turned the knobs on a wrong ProChannel EQ? I do it all the time...

For example. Reaper, Cubase track highlighting. Looks perfect to me:
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2. Clip deleting by Del key doesn't delete the clip, but delets a plugin in a FX Bin. Why for G's sake should it do that?
This problem is easy to reproduce. After any operations in the FX Bin, select any clip(s) by rignt mouse button lasso (Smart Tool) and press Del on your keyboard. Voila.
Guess how many times I unsuccessfully tried to delete the clip, and then from my memory I tried to restore the order and settings of plug-ins? I do it all the time...

I really need these things fixed. Is there a chance to find like-minded people here?
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Re: Selecting/Focus: My Pain December 12, 15 7:21 AM (permalink)
There have been a couple of posts over the last few years regarding this issue, it seems it could be one of the improvements, especially to those users that have eyesight issues. There is a skin available that possibly another forum member could point you to, that I believe gives great color and contrast options.

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Re: Selecting/Focus: My Pain December 12, 15 9:53 PM (permalink)
Good suggestion... It's Panu's Sonarmods located here: http://www.sonarmods.com/forum/index.php
 

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Re: Selecting/Focus: My Pain December 12, 15 11:13 PM (permalink)
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2. Clip deleting by Del key doesn't delete the clip, but delets a plugin in a FX Bin. Why for G's sake should it do that?
This problem is easy to reproduce. After any operations in the FX Bin, select any clip(s) by rignt mouse button lasso (Smart Tool) and press Del on your keyboard. Voila.



This has got to be a bug, I can't imagine any reason why this would be done on purpose. Probably worth submitting a bug report. I was able to reproduce what you describe, so I'm sure Cakewalk could.

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Re: Selecting/Focus: My Pain December 13, 15 2:10 PM (permalink)
Yes, I see this behaviour as well, deffo a bug

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Re: Selecting/Focus: My Pain December 14, 15 0:27 PM (permalink)
Thank you, guys!
 
Anyone can create a bug report?
I can not use bug report form - my DAWs and synths not listed in dropdown menu...
 

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Re: Selecting/Focus: My Pain December 14, 15 1:39 AM (permalink)
FWIW, Platinum still shows the lighter gray for the focused track header here - probably because I imported my color scheme from X2 to get custom clip background colors. You could do the same.

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Re: Selecting/Focus: My Pain December 14, 15 10:59 AM (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby cool December 14, 15 1:52 PM
If you have no need to colorize the entire strip, disable the "Show strip colors" option in Edit > Preferences > Customization > Colors. Disabling it will enable the lighter gray for the focused track.
 
I've also encountered #2 several times in the past, but never thought it was a bug.

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Re: Selecting/Focus: My Pain December 14, 15 1:50 PM (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Kylotan January 28, 16 5:18 AM
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If you have no need to colorize the entire strip, disable the "Show strip colors" option in Edit > Preferences > Customization > Colors. Disabling it will enable the lighter gray for the focused track.



It's amasing! Thank you very much!
Works perfect to me:


 
About an issue #2: I will try to send a bug report, when a bug report form will start to work again.
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Re: Selecting/Focus: My Pain December 14, 15 2:22 PM (permalink)
1) I love the fact the track name changes colors now to indicate an "In Focus Track" but am also disappointed that the Track Control Pane area no longer changes shades to indicate the same. I would definitely like that feature back AND have it be more of a pronounced shade difference by default (or independently adjustable perhaps directly in Track View).
 
2) "2. Clip deleting by Del key doesn't delete the clip, but delets a plugin in a FX Bin. Why for G's sake should it do that?
This problem is easy to reproduce. After any operations in the FX Bin, select any clip(s) by rignt mouse button lasso (Smart Tool) and press Del on your keyboard. Voila.
Guess how many times I unsuccessfully tried to delete the clip, and then from my memory I tried to restore the order and settings of plug-ins? I do it all the time...

I really need these things fixed. Is there a chance to find like-minded people here?"
 
I tested this in multiple ways.
 
The ONLY way I could make it manifest after an immediate selection of the clip was with a lasso select of the clip.
 
What I mean by that is I tried...
 
Inserting the effect into the FX bin and/or manipulating paramaters in the bin as describe then selecting the clip (on the same track) using a left click. Hitting delete deleted the clip, not the effect.
 
Because this is how I usually work it is why I never noticed the issue you refer to (and what made me check it out).
 
If I selected the clip (in any way) and THEN mess with the effect AND with the clip still selected then hit the Delete key the Effect was removed but and the clip remained.
 
This may be construed as desirable behavior because the user has touched the effect in the bin last and hitting Delete would maybe indicate that the user wanted to delete the plug entirely. Not sure I would want that but it kind of makes sense.
 
BUT when inserting/futzing with the plug THEN lassoing the clip THEN hitting delete that most definitely removes the plug and not the clip.
 
This is absolutely undesirable behavior. Most people wouldn't be using Lasso to select clips in most scenarios I'd imagine but if they did, after futzing with an effect, that would definitely be problematic.
 
I am not sure how long this bug has been around. I am currently on Foxboro.
 
I recommend separating that aspect of your post, into a new thread, for others to confirm (which we have here) and creating a Problem Report or posting it on its own in the Problem Report sub forum with a link to this thread as confirmation.
 
A proper report would be great though if you have the time (or if someone else has the time).
 
Thanks for reporting.
 
I will be careful not to do this in the future.
 
BTW a good workaround/way to watch for this problem is a "Delete Clip" action is usually pretty quick. A "Delete Plug" action usually takes a little longer and incurs the windows "Spinny Wheel" so watch out for that.
 
The full workaround if you must use lasso after touching an effect in the Bin/Rack would be NOT use lasso select but instead click select the clips. I actually just tried deselecting the lasso selected clip after an FX bin action and then reselecting it using the lasso and it STILL deleted the effect... so that's defintiely sucky.
 
Just more info/testing/confirmation/workarounds.
 
Cheers.
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Re: Selecting/Focus: My Pain December 15, 15 2:35 PM (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Vastman February 17, 16 5:34 AM
I think the lack of track strip highlight is related to the ability to change track colors, which is likely why the preference Tak mentioned is tied into it.  When all tracks are the same color (and usually a darker shade of grey) it's fairly simple to define a lighter variation of that one color.   But when every track can be a different color and some of those colors happen to already be light, where do you go from there? 
 
Personally I'd be OK with selecting a single highlight color and going with it.   If that highlight color happens to be similar to or the same as an existing track color and therefore that track doesn't really highlight, that'd be my problem.  
 

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Re: Selecting/Focus: My Pain February 17, 16 5:21 AM (permalink)
I like Stevec's idea... define highlighted track color...
 

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Re: Selecting/Focus: My Pain February 17, 16 5:56 AM (permalink)
In Manchester, when I look at this dialog:
 
Edit > Preferences > Customization > Colors
 
the Save and Delete buttons (diskette and red "X") are positioned right on top of the
[Import] button.
 
And at the bottom, the Advanced radio button partially overlaps the OK button and the separation line.
 
Anyone else seeing this?
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Re: Selecting/Focus: My Pain February 17, 16 6:08 AM (permalink)
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If you have no need to colorize the entire strip, disable the "Show strip colors" option in Edit > Preferences > Customization > Colors. Disabling it will enable the lighter gray for the focused track.
 

That's awesome!  Thanks!

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Re: Selecting/Focus: My Pain February 17, 16 6:15 AM (permalink)
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In Manchester, when I look at this dialog:
 
Edit > Preferences > Customization > Colors
 
the Save and Delete buttons (diskette and red "X") are positioned right on top of the
[Import] button.
 
And at the bottom, the Advanced radio button partially overlaps the OK button and the separation line.
 
Anyone else seeing this?


Not for me.  The Save and Delete buttons are positioned between the Preferences drop down and the Import Colors button.  Advanced radio button appears positioned normally.

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Re: Selecting/Focus: My Pain February 17, 16 7:28 AM (permalink)
Really? Interesting.
Thanks for the reply.
 
Edit: Looks like the programmer used different but identical-looking fonts for the same things. I suspect my German version has different naming for some fonts and is using a fallback font when it cannot find one.
 
Anyway, it's a niche problem, so I won't carry on here. I reported it.
 

post edited by jpetersen - February 17, 16 1:49 PM
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Re: Selecting/Focus: My Pain February 17, 16 1:12 PM (permalink)
I've also noticed the "delete FX in FX Bin" issue when deleting audio clips.  I usually undo (ctrl-z) immediately afterwards and never really paid attention, or remembered what the track/display configuration was when it happened.  Regardless, it did happen.
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Re: Selecting/Focus: My Pain February 17, 16 6:14 PM (permalink)
2:43AM
I've also noticed the "delete FX in FX Bin" issue when deleting audio clips.  I usually undo (ctrl-z) immediately afterwards and never really paid attention, or remembered what the track/display configuration was when it happened.  Regardless, it did happen.


There is a whole other thread on this:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Can-I-prevent-Sonar-from-deleting-my-plugins-in-the-FX-bin-when-i-hit-the-delete-key-m3367263.aspx
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Re: Selecting/Focus: My Pain February 17, 16 6:38 PM (permalink)
I am constantly changing stuff in the wrong PC strip!!! Back in Sonar 8 I had the complete header of the focused track change to a light gold color. Easy to see, even from a distance. I really miss the ability to do that.



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Re: Selecting/Focus: My Pain April 15, 16 5:18 PM (permalink)
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I've also noticed the "delete FX in FX Bin" issue when deleting audio clips.  I usually undo (ctrl-z) immediately afterwards and never really paid attention, or remembered what the track/display configuration was when it happened.  Regardless, it did happen.


 +1. Lost 10 minutes yesterday recovering fx order and settings.

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