Can I "split" a VST's output and route it to one or two separate audio tracks?

A VST what? Instrument? FX? Vocoder?

Your question is too vague for me to understand what you want to do.

You can check "all synths outputs to mono" in the "insert synth options" when you add a VSTi and have two audio tracks each mono for a VSTi that supports one stereo out. There are choices for VSTi that support multiple outputs also.

nprime

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Sorry.  An FX doesn't usually generate sound on its own, so I was referring to a VST Instrument.  I want to capture the instrument's audio to a track while the project is recording.

That you cannot do without using routing external to Sonar.

Really?

"And Cubase scores!" 

Okay, just having some fun with ya.  But yes, I was able to do it Saturday in Cubase without doing any external routing. 
 
So how can I do this with Sonar and external routing?  I currently use a Presonus Fire Studio Project with lots of ins/outs.
And how can I avoid latency problems?
 
Thanks!

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I want to capture the wave form to two audio tracks so I can slice and dice it with some of the X1 Ginsu knives.  I don't want to mess around with freezing, and the batch process (tracks/Bounce to Audio) tends to divorce me from the task of "doing it" dynamically, that is, while the project is running with the big red "R" button lit up. 
 
How best to do this?  I tried using a bus, but this didn't work; it looks like Busses can't be directed back to tracks...unless I did something wrong.
 
For now I want to do it with one VST stereo output, but eventually I will want to use multiple-outs for those VSTs that support more than one.
 
Thoughts?

I'm just thinking out loud here because I'm not at my DAW and actually in my bedroom -- but, why can't you just route to an input of your soundcard (ie out to in) but turn off the output of the routed track.   Then it should record just like a tape deck.  I used to do it, and I would tell you in detail if I was at my DAW.

But you have to setup the routing right or you'll get 'everything' instead of just the one vst you want.

Example (I'm going from memory here):  Route the send of the VST to the ASIO return if you have one (if not, just use an IN), but don't have the send bus routed anywhere or you'll get a loopback/feedback loop.

Before we had freezing I used to do some tricks that way.

It's not unlike setting up a headphone mix, as another example.

You can route a virtual instrument to as many audio tracks as you want. But if you want to print the audio you have to freeze (or bounce) the track.

For now I want to do it with one VST stereo output, but eventually I will want to use multiple-outs for those VSTs that support more than one.

You can record live audio from a keyboard with a single out using 'Live Input Bounce' (or at least could in 8.5) if X1 still has it available.

I'm not clear if that is what you are trying to do though.

It is also possible to redirect midi within Sonar using a Virtual Midi cable (LoopB1 is available now as a 32 or 64 bit solution) in order to record and re-route several different midi channels simultaneously through different Synths with output from MFX applied and recorded in real-time if wanted.

I've submitted a formal feature request for this functionality to be integrated ITB.

It doesn't hurt to submit your own specific request too, whether it makes any difference or not though is anybody's guess.

Here's B Rocks definitive work on Virtual Midi routing if any of this floats yer boat.

http://forum.cakewalk.com...67&mpage=1#1573767

I use it very often.

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nprime

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Sorry.  An FX doesn't usually generate sound on its own, so I was referring to a VST Instrument.  I want to capture the instrument's audio to a track while the project is recording.

That you cannot do without using routing external to Sonar.

Really?

"And Cubase scores!" 

Okay, just having some fun with ya.  But yes, I was able to do it Saturday in Cubase without doing any external routing.

This is a long standing request of mine: Allow the routing of a track, instrument or bus to the input of a track. Every other DAW I am familiar with allows this. This is a sorely lacking feature in Sonar.

UnderTow

No, but recording a soft synth in real time can be done within SONAR:
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/1934302

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That you cannot do without using routing external to Sonar.

Really?

"And Cubase scores!" 

lol... AND reason AND reaper AND ableton live... oh, yeah, pro tools... ummm... does logic do it too? 
 

If those other DAW's allow routing a track's output to another track, I can't help but wonder just how it is they avoid feedback loops...

Sanderxpander
I can't speak for all of them, but in Ableton it's entirely possible to create a feedback loop. Although you'd have to be pretty dumb to actually get it that far. You'd have to route track A to track B, then route track B to track A, AND make it so that one of them sends to the master out, AND turn on input monitoring for both tracks. In practice, this'll (virtually) never happen, and it's quite a useful function to have.

 
That's kind of what I thought a possible scenario might be.


I agree, you have to be pretty obtuse to accidentally set up a loop like that... For most of us, we know better than to do that. Who knows, maybe CW will consider adding track-track routing in the future.
 

Sanderxpander
Why couldn't you just freeze and take the wave file you get, then unfreeze if necessary?

Though the OP from this old thread did not mention it, the goal of most users who want this feature is to be able to record synths in real time while tweaking parameters, some of which may be controllable only from the GUI as sharke pointed out.

brundlefly

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Why couldn't you just freeze and take the wave file you get, then unfreeze if necessary?

Though the OP from this old thread did not mention it, the goal of most users who want this feature is to be able to record synths in real time while tweaking parameters, some of which may be controllable only from the GUI as sharke pointed out.

I understand it's a useful feature otherwise and I use it in Ableton. I was responding to this user specifically.