ORIGINAL: ColinB52

One thought, did you define the Instrument definition to Sonar, and
assign the Sonar output channels to the Instrument definition, using
Options>Instruments.......

Ken:
Yeah, confirm if you did make the assignment wich Colin talk about.... And also be sure you have assined a MIDI channel for the Sonar track.... and if the track output in track view is assigned to the correct destin ...
About the instrument definition you did post, I believe will not work. The correct, as I understand, is:

[Korg T3]
BankSelMethod=0 (this mean the use of Control 0 and 32 - Normal Mode)
Patch[0]=Korg T3 Bank A (this mean the value of CC 32 is 0 then bank is A)
Patch[1]=Korg T3 Bank B (this mean the value of CC 32 is 1 then bank is B)
Patch

=Korg T3 Bank A (this mean the value of CC 32 is "none" then bank is A)

I believe your are making confusion with the Korg and also with mine info and not fully understood the equation. Control 0 and Control 32, in a associated work, make the definition of for what bank the MIDI device (the T3 in your particular case) will go. So, assuming wich each Control Change message have one value atributed to it, when Control Change 0 have a value of 0 and Control Change 32 have a value of 0, the Program Change message wich is transmitted in sequence (80 as one example) will put the correspondent MIDI channel of the device in the Program # 80 of the Bank A.
If otherside Control Change 0 have a value of 0 and Control Change 32 have a value of 1, the Program Change message wich is transmitted in sequence (80 as one example) will put the correspondent MIDI channel of the device in the Program # 80 of the Bank B.
I´m sure this is the hurt of the question for you to understand. Understanding this, the logical instrument definition for the T3 is the one I mentioned before.
But newly: be sure you have the instrument definition correctly assigned and the MIDI channel and output also correctly assigned in the correspondent track in track view.
I hope you finally can return to make good music ....
Good luck!

Ken,
I'm not sure, but I think the data shown in MIDI-OX is in Hex,
which, would give the middle line with the Data 1 and Data2
values of 20 01, a data 1 an actual value of 32,
and Data 2 a Decimal value of 1, which by my reckoning would be
the LSB for Bank B.

What do you have in the .INS file when you see this data?
Patch[32]=Bank A
Patch[33]=Bank B

Have you tried a Patch select to select a voice from that Bank, after
you send the patch change. The reason I ask is that when I started
using Midi, I can recall, I had a midi enabled keyboard,which would
not do a bank change unless you sent the change followed by a patch
select message - at which time it would change bank and patch.

If Midi-Ox is showing decimal values, and you have the patches set as
32 and 33, then try the following............

Patch[96]=Bank A
Patch[97]=Bank B

and see if MIDI-OX shows Data 1 at 32 and data 2 as either 0 or 1.

Do you have a scanner? If so, could you e-mail me the Midi implementation
pages from the T3 manual? It might help.

Regards,
Colin.

If you have the same instrument definition wich is in the Korg.ins file (at the Sonar install folder), it would to be working normally, because it show exactly the same data wich Korg refer and wich the T3 sent to MIDI-OX.

That would be fine Juca, except that the readings that MIDI OX gave were from the ins file (not from the T3). I created a program change (from program A00 to B00) from within the sequencer page of the T3 and output this to MIDI OX. Herer are the results:

===> MIDI-OX Version: 6.5.0.340
===> Log Opened: Sat 30-Apr-2005 16:27:09 ===>
TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT

00001356___2__--____FA_____--_____--_____--___---__Start
0000135B___2__--____F8_____--_____--_____--___---__Timing Clock
0000135F___2___--___C0_____00_____--_____1____---__PC: Acc. Grand Piano
TrkEnd
# MIDI-OX: MIDI To Text Format - Closed: Sat 30-Apr-2005 16:28:29

Sorry for the confusion.

Ken

Ken,
Dunno if your e-mail address at home is the same as work, so,
mine is col1 at hotmail dot com.

Looks like we are moving in the right direction.

Can you make a track on Sonar with a few notes,
and put the program change in it, and the Bank change.
and a few more notes. Then try it.

What happens? what do you hear? Can you get the T3 to respond to
Program changes from Sonar? If so, what, and how.

Can you also send me the .ins def you are using, so we're talking from the
same Hymn sheet.

BTW - Where abouts are you located?

Regards,
Colin.

Ken,

This ones a little harder, than the col1@....... address.

It's colin dot bates2 at ntlworld dot com

where the dot is a period and the at is the at symbol.

Hope this one works.

Regards,
Colin.

Ken,

Got the pages, Thanks.

Having skipped through them, I'm a little puzzled.

The T3 supposedly has two Banks of sounds? A and B?
However, their doesn't appear to be a Bank List ( a list of the
127 different sounds you can have in a single Bank).
What is the difference between Bank A, and Bank B?

Does Sonar play back a midi file and the T3 responds? what does it do? and
what does it not do?

Can you send a midi file to the T3 and change the patch being used on the
T3? Does it change the patch?

Sorry for all the questions, but I'm trying to understand this problem
never having seen a T3.

Can you send me the .INS file you are using. I'm out all day
today, but I'll work on it when I get home.

Regards,
Colin.

ORIGINAL: madmix

BTW, did you notice that on page 140, in the lower right (under program change), the footnotes say that "Data beyond value of 99 are assigned a new value by subtracting 100. Ex. 100=>00, 127=>27". Is this an indication that the T3 uses patch 100 as it's bank select method? That would be contrary to what Korg tech support told me (then 3 different techs gave 3 different answers) .

Hi Ken:
No. The Patch 100... select method is other history. It´s used in any instruments for assign banks using the 100-127 Control Change range (normally for the drums banks). The Korg info wich tell you about CC0 and CC32 is the correct info.
Greetings.

On Edit: have you received the instrument definition for the T3 I sent to your E-Mail? If yes, compare it with the Korg info and get your conclusions (I hope it´s the same I got).

Well, guys I spoke with Korg support for the 4th time and after a number of attempts to get this working, the guy did some research for me. Unfortunately, when he called me back he said that the first Korg synth to do bank switching in multi mode is the "O" series. I figured a work around though. I created a combi with each odd # track set to the A bank and the even # tracks set to the B bank. This should work, as the T3 does do the program changes.

Thanks for all your help guys, I wish the outcome could have been better.

Ken

Ken,

Apologies for the delay in replying, but work got in the way.

I've been looking at this with my N1R which isn't quite the same,
but Korg's midi implementation has evolved over the years,
normally as extra function built on the existing (at least it
seems that way).

My N1R works the same way as Dan describes it.........
A Normal Sonar Patch entry in the events list, sends a Bank Chnge,
then a Program change, and it works.

If I send a Bank change only (Not possible they way Dan describes your entry,
my Korg just sits there doin nuthin. If the next data it recieves is a note,
then the N1R ignores the Bank Change, but if the next data is a Patch change
(even if it changes the patch umber to the same number) it changes Banks.

See if this will work for you.

Regards,
Colin.

I was looking through the Sound Quest website and found that their MidiQuest software has a T3 module with a combi editor. Now I know that it can be used in conjunction with Sonar, so I plan on trying the demo to see if this may be an alternative. But the question remains... if MidiQuest can get the T3 to do the bank change in combi mode (otherwise how would their combi editor work?), then the T3 must be able to respond to bank changes in combi mode...

...more to come .

Ken

Hi everyone,.. on this thread...
I read all this, .. I have an X3 and I am tired of switching between Combi and program manually...

Has it been solved finally ????
Thanks
Marc

I found a T3.INS file on the web at this URL. Click the yellow Download Now and then extract the INS file from the ZIP file. 

http://www.findthatzipfil...ownload-korgt3.zip.htm


Just add this to the Instrument definitions in Sonar, connect it to the output channels and then you will be able to easily select Banks and Patches by their names.