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2018/01/12 22:52:09 (permalink)

Can This Forum Continue?

I've adjusted to the almost certain demise of Sonar. But this forum is a really special place. It's my internet home, the first place I go to every time I sit down at my computer. I'm not on social media, and I've been restricting my forum time to the ones that I get real help from (and, on rare occasions, help someone else...hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day (unless you take into account relativity, then you have to specify position and velocity).
 
Anyway...I will be possibly even more devastated if this forum dies. I can continue using Sonar perhaps forever, but there's no place like this on the internet. It's home. I know about the spin-off forums, but those never really seem to satisfy. They will never approach the critical mass this place has. There simply is nothing to compare with it. When it's gone, it's going to be lonesome-ville for me. And, I suspect, a lot of other folks. If there's a way to keep it going, even if some of us have to pay,  in which case, count me in. The knowledge and, for the most part, civility that resides here are irreplaceable.
 
 
If we can't keep Sonar going, let's at least keep this place going! It's a life-line, a present help in time of need, a...oh well, you get the idea.

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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/12 22:57:39 (permalink)
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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/12 23:01:30 (permalink)
The forum is part of the domain cakewalk.com.

Unsurprisingly, the domain is registered in the name of Cakewalk Inc. The domain registration auto-expires, unless renewed, in 2019.

How long this forum lasts depends on how long Gibson, the owners of Cakewalk Inc., are willing to pay the hosting and running costs and maintain the domain registration. Gibson may be willing to part with the domain cakewalk.com, but I’d be surprised if they didn’t expect anyone who wants the domain to buy Cakewalk while they’re at it.

I agree it will be a shame to see the forum disappear, the techniques sub-forum alone is a very valuable resource on all kinds of recording and audio-related topics. But the future of the forum is really in Gibson’s hands because they own the domain and they are paying the bills. Even something as “simple” as moderating and admining a forum with thousands of users is a pretty hefty amount of work, and unless the work is done well forums turn into playgrounds for trolls and spammers.

And the forum software is commercial as well I believe, so there’s the cost of that to take into account as well.

So this forum will last as long as Gibson decides it will.

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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/12 23:20:37 (permalink)
It's already sort of half gone. All those who switched DAW's are now on those forums.. Mind you I see a bunch are using the Software forum and it's sort of funny how they are getting better answers here than they did on the actual official help forums. Certainly the Cubase forum is terrible. I haven't bothered to ask question there in years. You'll get one reply after you wait a few days. You get better service using Gear slutz DAW sub forums. 
Sounds like the Studio one forum is now populated by mostly Ex Sonar people asking questions. 
 
The other thing already here is there are now no more newbies asking questions. 
Another thing that took up a lot of forum space was Sonar updates as people posted a lot about that.
Now we are down to a few hangers on. 
One thing you do see is a lot of lurkers have come o the forefront, long time members that don't normally post are now active which is a good thing. 
 
And there is at least 2 new forum that started up, I think Bapu's is the active one, The other was someone called panup. 

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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/13 00:10:29 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bobguitkillerleft 2018/01/13 04:16:12
I'm hanging out  - til the bulldozers have their way with this forum.

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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/13 00:24:36 (permalink)
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It's already sort of half gone. All those who switched DAW's are now on those forums.. Mind you I see a bunch are using the Software forum and it's sort of funny how they are getting better answers here than they did on the actual official help forums. Certainly the Cubase forum is terrible.


I reckon this forum is/has been about the best software peer-to-peer support I’ve come across in the 27 years I’ve been using the internet*. It’s a bit ironic that some of the most popular DAWs have at best poor support forums compared to Cakewalk, and I include Logic in that. Apple’s forums in particular don’t really encourage the kind of to-and-fro of conversation and ideas exchange that we get here and is so useful.

*maybe equal first with the demon.service newsgroup for the first few years after Demon Internet first started in ‘91/2.

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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/13 01:07:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2018/01/13 04:05:13
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It's already sort of half gone. All those who switched DAW's are now on those forums.. Mind you I see a bunch are using the Software forum and it's sort of funny how they are getting better answers here than they did on the actual official help forums. Certainly the Cubase forum is terrible. I haven't bothered to ask question there in years. You'll get one reply after you wait a few days. You get better service using Gear slutz DAW sub forums. 
Sounds like the Studio one forum is now populated by mostly Ex Sonar people asking questions. 
 
The other thing already here is there are now no more newbies asking questions. 
Another thing that took up a lot of forum space was Sonar updates as people posted a lot about that.
Now we are down to a few hangers on. 
One thing you do see is a lot of lurkers have come o the forefront, long time members that don't normally post are now active which is a good thing. 
 
And there is at least 2 new forum that started up, I think Bapu's is the active one, The other was someone called panup. 




I've got one foot in Bapu's forum "Beyond Cakewalk" already, my plan B in case the lights go out here.  It seems to be pretty well balanced, and fairly active.  http://beyondcakewalk.com/forum/
 
Also joined the other forum by panup, "Plan B".  http://sonarmods.com/sonarmods/forum2017/index.php#c2
 
Between the two forums, they seem to be populated by many former regulars here.  There seems to be some forking going on, so nowhere near the critical mass this forum had.

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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/13 02:04:37 (permalink)
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The other thing already here is there are now no more newbies asking questions. 



It worried me a little that there were never that many newbies asking questions though. I guess if there had have been more, Cakewalk would have been in better financial shape. 

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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/13 02:29:35 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Cactus Music 2018/01/13 05:19:50


Well adiós for now until something actually happens here.... I've got two new DAWs to learn, a tax return and an album to finish (finally feel like now is the time). It's been brief and a little more pleasant now the fanboy element has mostly (but not altogether) disappeared.

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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/13 04:12:37 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jacksop 2018/01/16 15:42:58
Speaking of Newbies... I've noticed as looking for other DAWs that people who have videos up about "My DAW" is the best choice always talk about the things wrong with the other guys daws but NEVER have I seen a video saying I use this daw because Sonar is bad! it's like crazy odd that all the other daws trash each other's daws. It's like there was a black out of Sonar. I wounder how many people running from ProTools or Cubase even new that Sonar existed. :(
All Cakewalk had to do was market Sonar! 
It makes me sick!
 
  

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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/13 05:08:39 (permalink)
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Speaking of Newbies... I've noticed as looking for other DAWs that people who have videos up about "My DAW" is the best choice always talk about the things wrong with the other guys daws but NEVER have I seen a video saying I use this daw because Sonar is bad! it's like crazy odd that all the other daws trash each other's daws. It's like there was a black out of Sonar. I wounder how many people running from ProTools or Cubase even new that Sonar existed. :(
All Cakewalk had to do was market Sonar! 
It makes me sick!
 
  


That's been my feeling ever since this fiasco began: Great software, terrible marketing.

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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/13 05:23:37 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby CakeAlexSHere 2018/01/13 15:12:16
Great post Alex.. perfect.. bet ya can't stay away  :) this place is a frigghn addiction for me. 
I have learned almost everything I know about Sonar here, I might have to find the help files now...
No wait,, they haven't been updated since x3... oh well. 
 
 

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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/13 11:03:44 (permalink)
It would be terrible if this place closed, BUT I suspect there would then be mass join ups to Beyond Cakewalk and/or Plan B, and they would therefore gain the critical mass needed.
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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/13 11:11:29 (permalink)
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(unless you take into account relativity, then you have to specify position and velocity).
 

 
Heh - that made my day....
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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/13 11:26:37 (permalink)
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(unless you take into account relativity, then you have to specify position and velocity).
 

 
Heh - that made my day....


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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/13 11:56:19 (permalink)
I actually quite enjoyed looking around the Cubase forum and asking a question or two. The great thing is there isn’t all the drivel to wade through. The signal to noise ratio is much lower. The mods seem helpful and their marketing manager, Matthias is very active.

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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/13 15:00:11 (permalink)
I'm quite (pleasantly) surprised it's still here. Fully expecting an 'error 404' every time I click on the bookmark.

 
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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/13 16:28:39 (permalink)
I have quite a few posts on this forum and have enjoyed helping others solve their problems.
I have learned so much from this forum as well as met great people here.
But this forum (not speaking for others) is holding me back from completing projects, doing more work where I'm supposed to be doing more work....  In the Workstation.
 
I spend a lot of free time here but that free time could be spent finishing projects that need completing.
Sure everyone needs a break from the DAW but I find myself coming here too often and I find myself being too concerned with other peoples opinions. Probably one of my least favorable quality's. That's my bad and that's my fault.
 
So I have decided to spend more time recently where I should. In my work.
I have a new DAW to learn. Even though im using Sonar still, im trying my best to slowly wean myself into to Studio one 3. There are a lot of little things to learn like shortcuts, features, exc.
That's why I have decided to stay using Sonar while cracking the surface of Studio one at the same time.
 
Sonar stopping development has been a blessing in disguise for me.
Though I miss Sonars new updates and I do feel awful for staff who lost their jobs.
I have this refreshed feeling of almost being forced to step outside my comfort zone to accomplish new things and explore new horizons. I actually sound like that Martin Landslide guy. How horrific. But its true.
 
 

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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/13 17:05:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bobguitkillerleft 2018/01/13 19:41:21
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Sorry to hear that. We were getting deluged with spammers and so we incorporated an spammer plugin (yes, forum software has plugins too).
 
If you send a PM (or to "bapu") I will set you up if you are still interested.

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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/13 17:17:35 (permalink)
OK lets form a self help group Sonar Forum addiction Anonymous
 
Maybe Azslow3 could write a little app that every time we try to come here a warning pops up 
" DO YOUR REALLY NEED THAT FIX"  and we go back to work. 
I agree it's a dangerous distraction  but the payoff for me is almost everyday I read something that educates me about using Sonar and general stuff like the latest hardware and Windows issues. 
 
I can sort of get the same fix on Gear slutz but it is soo bogged down with useless and wrong information and Mac this , Pro Tools that. No, this forum is focused on Sonar and using a PC to make music.  
I would switch over to Bapu's forum right now but I'm not at all interested in taking about other DAW's right now. We all did that for a week or so and that's that. When this forum dies it looks like most of us will probably end up over there. Actually I will always think of Bapu as living in the basement? why is that? :) 
I can see this forum will just slowly fade away. One by one with not much to talk about we will wander off leaving a few folks who logged on for the first time in a year pondering what happened and " where did everybody go?" 
 
 I'm not predicting it will just shut down suddenly or a few months or even a year. Neil has said as so much. There was a hint of the month of June in all that none info. 

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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/13 17:59:32 (permalink)
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I can see this forum will just slowly fade away. One by one with not much to talk about we will wander off leaving a few folks who logged on for the first time in a year pondering what happened and " where did everybody go?" 
 
 


 I shudder at the prospect. Makes me think of Northern Sounds, which is exactly in that situation. I don't go there anymore because it won't let me post for some reason. Two emails to admin have gone unanswered. It think it's being run by robots.
 
A similar fate for the Sonar forum? May it never be!

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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/13 20:56:36 (permalink)
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I tried to join beyond cakewalk,at 3.11pm here,only to get- Sorry, something went wrong verifying your account against a spammer database. Most likely the database couldn't be accessed. Please try again later.So i'll Please try again later.

 
Sorry to hear that. We were getting deluged with spammers and so we incorporated an spammer plugin (yes, forum software has plugins too).
 
If you send a PM (or to "bapu") I will set you up if you are still interested.


Thankyou,
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Thanks The Lifetime Platinum Member,and of course ALL here.
Slightly sleep deprived,but full tilt sincerity is meant
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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/14 01:56:58 (permalink)
I was just looking at the techniques forum, and though it says there are something like 7k posts, I can only access 3 pages. On my desktop, the Sonar forum was only showing 7 pages, but now on my phone I have more. Weird. Hope I can get to some of those back posts in the techniques forum. I'm trying to save a bunch of pages as local HTML files so I'll have access to them when the forum goes down.

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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/14 07:56:40 (permalink)
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I was just looking at the techniques forum, and though it says there are something like 7k posts, I can only access 3 pages. On my desktop, the Sonar forum was only showing 7 pages, but now on my phone I have more. Weird. Hope I can get to some of those back posts in the techniques forum. I'm trying to save a bunch of pages as local HTML files so I'll have access to them when the forum goes down.

 
They're all there, just change the time filter right at the bottom of the page to 'from the beginning'. It's set on '30 days' by default.

 
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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/14 11:04:13 (permalink)
Oh, it's down here now...

 
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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/14 19:32:32 (permalink)
Just trying to keep the Sonar forum clear for Sonar threads.
 
The CH is supposed to be used for general discussion (as well as the banter we all enjoy)

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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/14 19:42:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2018/01/14 23:23:27
Thanks for reminding me of that Karyn, I'd completely forgotten.

 
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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/14 21:04:08 (permalink)
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The other thing already here is there are now no more newbies asking questions. 



It worried me a little that there were never that many newbies asking questions though. I guess if there had have been more, Cakewalk would have been in better financial shape. 




 
THIS! Sharke is right
 
Plus, It's like wading through a mud pond of narcissism around here.  I'm glad it's going down! :D:D

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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/14 21:13:48 (permalink)
O the ironing....

 
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Re: Can This Forum Continue? 2018/01/15 03:00:15 (permalink)
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 I actually sound like that Martin Landslide guy. How horrific. But its true.
 
 



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