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2013/12/17 18:33:34 (permalink)

Catanya New Issue - Access Violation Error

Decided to put this on its own thread in order to keep it specific and not get dragged into other discussions.
 
I have a project called "Catanya Crash Project"  All I had to do previously was open the project and hit space bar and my PC cratered hard.  It has 3 instances of Catanya triggering Rapture, Dim Pro and RGC.  The project also has Jamstix playing a beat.
 
I opened it up hit space bar on a 16 bar loop and have been playing with it non-stop for 30 minutes.  Not even a hiccup.  Changed sequence patterns on the fly, changed synth patches, opened and closed multi-dock....Beeeyouteefull.
 
I then added a single separate midi track and changed the input to Catanya-1, Catanya-2 and Catanya-3.  Each time when I hit record, Sonar only recorded the midi produced by the appropriate Catanya Arp instance.
 
I then added 3 midi tracks and made each record catanya 1, 2 and 3 simultaneously and it worked perfectly.
 
I have seen grumblings about other arps and synths, but I can say that so far, IMHO, when it concerns Catanya, x-talk and crash seems to be fixed in X3d.
 
Thank you bakers.
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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/17 19:10:51 (permalink)
    What happens when you select Catanya 1/2/3 - OMNI for each MIDI input. Each track still should only record MIDI from the selected Catanya port.
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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/17 19:21:10 (permalink)
    Actually, here is an even better test:
     
    Using your original configuration with 3 Catanya instances and having the inputs selected for the individual MIDI channels like you did originally, add another MIDI track and configure it to record from an external MIDI keyboard. Start recording from the MIDI keyboard. Make sure to play some of the same note values as what the Catanya plugins are sending out. Hold the keys on the keyboard down for a bar or two to make sure you will notice any cut off notes.
     
    Does it still cut off MIDI notes recorded from the external MIDI keyboard?
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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/17 19:29:17 (permalink)
    Midi Omni is the same recorded data as Midi channel 1.  If I select midi channel 2....nothing records.  Exactly as it should.
     
    FYI...I never use midi Omni, I always jsut use channel 1.
     
    I will try the test you mention above.  When we test sub sea fiber optic cables, we call these signal independence tests !

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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/17 20:32:33 (permalink)
    Just tried it a few times....midi keyboard on 4th midi track does not show up on any other midi recorded channel.
     
    Nor does it cut off or overwrite any of the ARP notes coming from Catanya on other midi channels.
     
    Looking good !!  Signal independence seems to be working !!

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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/18 03:59:17 (permalink)
    Awesome stuff, thank you Cake indeed !
     
    I don't have Catanya, but it's working quite well so far with the musiclab stuff and others.
     
    There are a few other really good fixes too.
     
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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/18 07:10:32 (permalink)
    On this post I have bought Catanya Arp and dare i say so far all good -Awesome .:) 

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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/18 08:04:53 (permalink)
    Can one of you guys help !!!! Ins and outs explained with Catanya as Im still having teething problems -ie I have 3 instances of Catanyta routed fine but then when I add say a 4 th synth (Sylenth for a Bass riff i want to record ) it plays the first Catanya midi even with input echo off so I must be doing something in error  .
     
    Many Thanx in advance :) 

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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/18 08:09:51 (permalink)
    Not sure I follow...
     
    Are you trying to trigger Sylenth, (the 4th synth), from one of the three Catanya instances mentioned, or a 4th instance of catanya ?
     
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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/18 08:31:18 (permalink)
    Sorry yes I wasn't clear ,the bass is separate not triggered by Catanya . Also opened True Piano and that was the same . I think I need to put these on seperate Midi channels ? 

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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/18 08:55:58 (permalink)
    if it was my project i would add sylenth and true pianos as virtual instrument tracks and make sure the midi input is your keyboard and not midi-omni or Catanya.
     
    As long as the input to these virtual istrument tracks is none or keyboard, than Catanya should not trigger them. 
     
    I use virtual instrument tracks whenever possible so as to not lose track of which midi track is triggering which synth.

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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/18 09:06:53 (permalink)
    Ok thank you for the tip and Happy Holidays :) 

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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/18 14:13:21 (permalink)
    So Foster - All working for you now? Keep us updated... Cheers...

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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/18 14:22:44 (permalink)
    Ok will do thanks :) 

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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/18 20:36:42 (permalink)
    Wow!  I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry.  We first encountered the multiple MIDI sequencers bug with Catanya on 8-22-2009 and reported it then.  I'm delighted to hear it's fixed, but...
     
    I would love to hear a layman's version of how the issue was ultimately resolved.  Given all the heat it generated many of us speculated that it must be so deeply integral to Sonar's code that nothing short of a complete rewrite would reach it.  Glad to hear we were wrong!
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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/19 00:20:32 (permalink)
    No the issues were relatively straightforward but required some time and testing to identify the issues troubleshoot and test. 
    One was a MIDI routing/echo issue and the other was a multithreading issue. 

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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/19 01:06:01 (permalink)
    Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
    No the issues were relatively straightforward but required some time and testing to identify the issues troubleshoot and test. 
    One was a MIDI routing/echo issue and the other was a multithreading issue. 


     
    Not to be petulant, but FOUR years of testing and troubleshooting?  And this fix could not have been made in X2 or X3 on initial release?  I gotta admit, this was one issue that really bugged me too.  Well, whatever is motivating you guys to get at these long term bugs and point releases is a good thing, I guess.
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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/19 11:05:24 (permalink)
    I'm really surprised that so many people actually know about and were affected by this issue. It really felt sometimes like it was only me and a few other people that kept complaining about it. I was certainly raked over the coals many times for bringing it up repeatedly (recent posts claiming that it is "bizarre MIDI chaining requirements" and "obscure routing" to require this functionality to work properly).
     
    Well the good thing is that it has finally been fixed. I'm still trying to sort out a $99 credit I got in 2011 due to this very same issue because "the next release is still some time away". Hope there is no expiration on credits, but I can only verify the fix for myself once I get that sorted out and then upgrade to X3d.
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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/19 11:27:53 (permalink)
     
    This is great news.  I'm now eyeing Catanya for myself...
     
     

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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/19 12:04:08 (permalink)
    Well I think the important thing to realize here is that it isn't just Catanya that will now work properly, but any other plugin that works by sending MIDI events out (Out as in "back into Sonar", not out as in "out to the MIDI driver"). Basically any ARP type plugin or something like Jamstix driving a different drum plugin.
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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/19 14:23:30 (permalink)
    can anyone confirm this fixed with kirnu cream? tia
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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/19 14:44:19 (permalink)
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    can anyone confirm this fixed with kirnu cream? tia



    I'm not familiar with Kirnu Cream so I just checked it out. They mention in addition to being a VST plugin, that it is also a MIDI FX plugin. AFAIC, MFX plugins didn't suffer from this bug (MusicLab SlicyDrummer, for instance), so is it possible to use it as an MFX plugin in Sonar? Even if you can though, I think its functionality might be limited by the MFX spec. But as a workaround until you can get on X3d maybe?
     
    I did notice the Kirnu Cream forum on KVR mentions the Sonar bug multiple times.
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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/19 15:50:04 (permalink)
    thanks for replying, it's not mfx, the midi fx version is a lpx thing, see http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=394138
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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/19 16:04:44 (permalink)
    lawp are you able to update your footer like mine? It would be nice to know your system and software specs when you are asking these sorts of questions... Thanks
     
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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/19 16:17:04 (permalink)
    well I'm not at the box x1d is on right now, and your sig doesn't show on my phone, but it's a q6600/8g/win7x64/3HDs the audio interface is a esi wavetrrminal 192m hw wise, solid workhorse, software being all the usual stuff, music only, all updated, blah
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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/19 16:29:22 (permalink)
    Ah OK... Well hopefully a X3D demo will be along shortly. Cake have hinted... Thanks...

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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/20 05:35:06 (permalink)
    noone's using kirnu cream?
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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/20 11:21:43 (permalink)
    Lawp could you update your signature please with your hardware and software specs :)
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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/20 11:29:45 (permalink)
    hi alex, it's not relevant to this, i'll provide the specs if necessary :)
    i will add that i do appreciate your efforts in sorting out the forum rabble, good work sir :)
    maybe someone with specs could try the demo?
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    Re: Catanya Works - X3d Thank You 2013/12/20 11:33:49 (permalink)
    OK good luck....

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