[Clarified] What are the build number differences between X1 Expanded and X1C?

I'm told in Help -> About In Producer Expandeded shows:
Sonar X1 Producer Expanded (build 425) - x64

In my vanilla X1 Producer it shows:
Sonar X1C Producer (X1c Build 319) - x64

So what's the difference in codebase between vanilla and expanded (other than 106 builds)?
Why doesn't X1 Producer Expanded show X1C or even X1D?
 
Is this a "fork" in codebase?

If an X1D patch comes out will there be seperate versions for Expanded?
Or does Expanded include X1D? (Just not indicated as such).

I would place my bets that some bug fixes have been included by stealth with Expanded leaving people who don't have expanded as second class citizens.

In effect Expanded includes X1D.... i.e. Expanded Customers have more bug fixes that vanilla customers.
(That's a speculation though, as I don't own a copy of Expanded.)

I hope Cakewalk can clear up this confusion, as they haven't announced anything on X1D yet.
 
Thanks for listening.

Aaah... ok, now it makes sense. Where you were going with this, that is. Carry on.

You forgot the "expanded" in your first post above, as in:

Sonar X1 Producer Expanded (build 425) - x64

Alex :

is this REALLY important ? Or is the bee in the bonnet ?

Shouldn't you be making music rather than bothering about minor details like the build number ?

You remind me (and please don't take this as an insult) of a sort of Witch-finder General, looking for bugs , some legitimate others, well, "anomalies".

Cheers,
Jerry

In case it helps, Willy Jones from CW said on this thread:
 http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2402546

"Hi John (and John ;),
I don't know the exact plan as far as the next update, e.g. will it be one update that handles X1C and X1 Expanded or two seperate installers - but I can say that there will be a free update for both X1C and X1 Expanded owners.
As John points out there a few flavors of SONAR X1 (Studio and Essential) that we will continue to support as well."
 
John

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In case it helps, Willy Jones from CW said on this thread:
 http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2402546

"Hi John (and John ;),
I don't know the exact plan as far as the next update, e.g. will it be one update that handles X1C and X1 Expanded or two seperate installers - but I can say that there will be a free update for both X1C and X1 Expanded owners.
As John points out there a few flavors of SONAR X1 (Studio and Essential) that we will continue to support as well."
 
John

Thanks John. That's indeed helpful, although it doesn't confirm how Cakewalk is built. Upgrade might just be supplying the extra DLL's needed (to avoid large downloads), or they may be supplying different versions of the DLL's that do the same thing.

By not owning Expanded - Does this make me a second class customer?

No - there is no such thing as a second class customer.  This thread title has been corrected.

So what's the difference in codebase between vanilla and expanded (other than 106 builds)?

Well 106 builds and a new feature set, see: http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/X1-Producer/about.aspx/SONAR-X1-Producer-Expanded for what is in X1 Expanded
 

Why doesn't X1 Producer Expanded show X1C or even X1D?

Because it is neither X1C or X1D, it is X1 Expanded.
 

Is this a "fork" in codebase?

Well technically speaking we fork (branch) and merge the SONAR codebase practically every day so I guess it could be construed as a "fork".  For all intent purposes this is a new version

If an X1D patch comes out will there be seperate versions for Expanded?

We've already addressed this in multiple threads - the next free update will be available for both X1 Expanded and X1C owners.

Or does Expanded include X1D?

No there is no such thing as X1D at the moment and the only fixes in X1 Expanded were to support the new feature set.  IOW - you are not getting bug fixes for X1C in X1 Expanded

Post n° 7 : Sorry Alex, but what is telling ? I just think you're maybe reading too much into the whole thing.

Its X1 Expanded, not X1E or X1e. Who cares ? The point is there are improvements (for most people), no ?

But hey, that's my 2 Euro cents. And sorry, but I still think you're chasing shadows.

Post n° 8 : Here I'm lost with your statement - if you watch the files being loaded during installation not only are dll files replaced but also the .exe file, so can't we assume that there are some code changes in said exe file, possible improvements  ?

Post n°9 : I may be wrong, but, a build doesn't only contain dll files. It can also contain an exe file, therefore improvements, no ? Normally when you build a code base its because something has changed, not just for the fun of it !!!

Cheers,
jerry

Edit : damn, Willy got there first !

Sheesh...   Willy is everywhere these days.  
 

Willy is doing his job well, I suspect he's looking for customer reports of bugs in public forums while at the same time preventing us from getting too excited (after reading expanded blurbs from the marketing dept). That's what he should be doing and I totally applaud it.

Wish somebody from Cakewalk could be around here all the time, but I can understand that post-release dates are of more of interest - esp when there's a support dept to handle things.

Yeah I thought that at first, and normally I would protest - but Willy's thread title is better.... so nothing ventured nothing gained.
I agree normally changing thread titles should be totally off limits unless it is really offensive.

Willy, I've noticed that a lot of title editing has been going on. While the [Answered] [Clarified] etc are nice, completely changing a thread title seems a bit off to me. You might as well "correct" someone's post by editing it directly. 

Well to be blunt - it's our forum our rules this isn't a vehicle for free speech its a place for users to get help and answers. 

I do understand where you're coming from and this isn't some major policy shift in moderation or anything, with this launch the usual suspects Brandon and Seth aren't available to help out on the forum so I got the gig.  There is a lot of topics, questions and general activity marking threads makes it easy for myself or Noel or whoever to quickly identify where they can jump in and help folks out. 

As per this thread itself - well I run our Customer Service and Tech Support groups so I will not tolerate any speculation that would leave potential users to believe we treat our customers badly; so fair enough - I'm probably biased I'll admit that much.  However that aside I do think the thread title was misleading relevant to the content and questions that it contained, changing it to a clear title is not only accurate it helps other forum visitors find answers if they have the same questions Alex did.  I think (or at least hope) that Alex understood that as well, my intention wasn't to silence but to provide clear and accurate information.

All My Best,

So Alex, I was kind of following your thought process on the release/build numbers.  The reasoning falls apart when you look at Music Creator 6 (at build 50) and X1 Enhanced at build 425, then look at how much of the X1 code is included in MC6.  Obviously Cake has a much more complicated release schema than I have ever worked with.  Their configuration guy must be a genius.

I don't think we can make any inferences about the code tree from the release numbers here.

Putting together code is indeed compicated... Having DLL's and namespaces between builds are a way of making things less complicated.