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Re:*** Clean installation from the 8.5 DVD makes a big difference! ***
2009/10/29 14:48:38
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Thanks Freddie!
It's great that you put that Clean Sweep link in with your info all in one place.
Helped a bunch!
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Freddie H
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Re:*** Clean installation from the 8.5 DVD makes a big difference! ***
2009/10/30 04:16:16
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You're welcome DaneStewart!
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2009/10/30 06:01:26
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I'm about to do a clean install of SONAR, on a clean install of Win 7 Ultimate, using my 8.5 discs, this weekend... Yes they were finally delivered! And no extra charge! So ... I'll be able to chime in on this debate soon..... I was one of the people who qualified to hold a Windows 7 Launch Party, in return for which I received a free version of Windows 7 Ultimate! I have a removable HDD bay now and have 3 separate installs of Win 7 on 3 different HDDs..... One is for general use. One for SONAR and other music apps. And one is going to be experimental. It is a very nice OS IMHO.
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Freddie H
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2009/10/30 13:28:48
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That's great Fret! =)
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Re:*** Clean installation from the 8.5 DVD makes a big difference! ***
2009/10/30 15:46:02
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Freddie H
Clean installation from the SONAR 8.5 DVD makes a big difference!
I am in no way suggesting your assertion is invalid, but this is really kind of hard to believe. I think it would be extremely helpful if someone from CW could weigh in on this and give their take on what's going on. As I didn't see anything in the upgrade I needed immediately, I was inclined to wait a bit anyway. Now, that "bit" may be until the next major release after hearing what you have to say.
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2009/10/30 16:54:26
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this is really kind of hard to believe. Indeed. I suspect they're all drinking the "clean install" Kool-Aid. The only issues I have with my very "unclean" install from download of 8.5.1 Producer (over 8.3.1 Producer over 7.02 Producer over 7.02 Studio) are all confirmed bugs. I've observed no significant performance or stability differences one way or the other. A clean install of SONAR runs better in the same way that your car runs better after you wash it. 
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Fret Wizz
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2009/10/31 01:26:46
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Clean install has always been the best way to go with preceding versions of SONAR so why not with this version?
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Freddie H
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2009/10/31 02:15:13
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 Funny!
It seems always be the same guy's "always", calling me names like "Kool-Aid", "Fan boy" and so on.... Do what ever you like and use what ever you want...without your "meaningful" comments. Have a nice halloween all! =) Regards Freddie
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Re:*** Clean installation from the 8.5 DVD makes a big difference! ***
2009/10/31 02:58:16
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Clean install has always been the best way to go with preceding versions of SONAR I'm not trying to start a huge kerfuffel here, but what is the evidence for this? AFAIK, Cakewalk don't recommend a clean install. And you can't even do a clean install of 8.5 if you don't buy the disks. Also, since most users want new versions to inherit settings from the old version, don't want to risk not having a working DAW because of a failed install or a compatibility problem, and don't want to spend a lot of time reinstalling all their 3rd-party plugins, I dont think the majority of regular upgraders are in the habit of doing a clean install. At least not right away. The only time I do it is when I'm building a new machine, maybe once every 3-4 years.
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2009/10/31 04:04:23
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Not wanting to start a war here but I can confirm that this worked for me. I already had installed Nomad Factory Producer Pack and recently upgraded this to the Integral Bundle, however after the upgrade only 4 of the Nomad Plugins would show after the plugin scan. I did try uninstalling them and reinstalling but the same thing happened, I also was getting the odd audio click/pop when using some softsynths.
Anyway I saw this thread and thought "what I have to lose?", so I backed up my projects etc just in case, and reinstalled 8.5 from the DVD. I only installed the 64-bit version and now I can see all my Nomad Factory plugins again and those mysterious audio clicks/pops have now also disappeared.
I must add that I only started getting the audio clicks/pops after I had done the download upgrade from 8.31 to 8.5.
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2009/10/31 04:40:32
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Hey al - I've just got the DVD version - turns out there were 4 DVD's in the box.
I assume you install them1 through 4, yet disc 1 is labelled "Guitar Rig 3", Disc 2 is Beatscape, Disc 3 is Dimension Pro, and Disc 4 is Additional Content.
So what's the deal with uninstalling Guitar Rig 3 as mentioned in Freddie's 1st post?
Do I uninstall it from 8.3.1 before installing?
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Freddie H
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2009/11/01 11:46:56
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Guitar Rig 3 LE
Because you install it again on DVD 1 installation disk. Also a "clean sweep" and GR3 VST.dll files and other stuff get wiped out too.
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Re:*** Clean installation from the 8.5 DVD makes a big difference! ***
2009/11/01 12:10:51
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Thanks.
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2009/11/01 12:17:27
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ok - i didnt read every post in this thread - so i might state the obvious here ... BUT: wouldnt it be extremely unprofessional and contarproductive for cakewalk if there was ANY difference between one or the other product (download vs. dvd)
as i ordered the dvds i dont care personally (because i am a fresh install freak anyway) but i just cant imagine how a company would put at risk its reputation by providing different "qualities" (in terms of resulting stability or whatever) for the same thing???
so as demanded by some other guys: it would be interesting to see an official statement ...(but i am sure to know what that would be..."no difference" )
btw: freddie, i just got w7 64 the other day and tried it on my machine - unfortunately the tc drivers still suck for 64 bit so i cant tell aboutthe great benefits of w7 - still (and dont get this personal ;-) ) i didnt see any "better feeling" compared to fiddling around with my xp sp3 32 bit --- i have a pretty decent computer that has good performance in the w7 test - but still xp feels tighter and snappier - maybe all you folks saying that w7 is so fluid and gives this impression of a fast workflow - could it be that you just forgot how xp feels because you wasted some years with vista ??? ;-)
as for my needs id see not a single reason to use w7 right now (still i will - cos i have a fetish for progress)
but i will probably learn more about the w764 paradise the next times - cheers
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Re:*** Clean installation from the 8.5 DVD makes a big difference! ***
2009/11/01 12:24:24
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Fret Wizz
I'm about to do a clean install of SONAR, on a clean install of
Win 7 Ultimate, using my 8.5 discs, this weekend...
Yes they were finally delivered!
And no extra charge!
So ... I'll be able to chime in on this debate soon.....
I was one of the people who qualified to hold a Windows 7 Launch Party,
in return for which I received a free version of Windows 7 Ultimate!
I have a removable HDD bay now and have 3 separate installs of Win 7
on 3 different HDDs.....
One is for general use.
One for SONAR and other music apps.
And one is going to be experimental.
It is a very nice OS IMHO.
btw. just curious about this:
you say " the discs arrived with no extra charge" what does THAT mean - they sent you the disks for free?
actually it costs me 50 dollars to get those dvd to europe - so (with all respect) i would find it very annoying if others get them for free (nothing personal - man !!! )
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2009/11/01 12:40:59
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so as demanded by some other guys: it would be interesting to see an official statement ...(but i am sure to know what that would be..."no difference" ) Noel Borthwick stated in his "Fine Print" post on 8.5: "There is no difference between an 8.0 install upgraded to 8.5 and a full retail 8.5 box install."
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2009/11/01 14:11:36
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yeah - as i supposed - but then it would mean that this whole thread here is just wrong - and i see no reson why folks should post sort of sensless infos...?
(means that i tend to believe those reports even if they make no sense according to cakewalk)
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2009/11/02 04:18:28
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brundlefly
so as demanded by some other guys: it would be interesting to see an official statement ...(but i am sure to know what that would be..."no difference" )
Noel Borthwick stated in his "Fine Print" post on 8.5:
"There is no difference between an 8.0 install upgraded to 8.5 and a full retail 8.5 box install."
Technical, a clean installation of Windows 7 from a DVD, should be exactly the the same as if you updating your excising OS from----> XP32bit. Is it the same?  Would you update your OS from the Web and believe that's the same? Think about it! Regards Freddie
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2009/11/02 09:49:03
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Just like to say that I installed 8.5 yesterdya morning - with a hangover - and it went like a dream. So far, 8.5 is completely stable - no crashes, no clicks/pops - and I insetred 6 instances of the VX64 vocal strip and after 2 minutes was blown away by the sound. £100 well spent. Thanks Freddie for this thread. 
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2009/11/02 13:32:05
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You're welcome! =)
“Snap to zero crossings” has start working with the split-tool, after I installed 8.5.1 x64bit from the DVD. It has never worked before until now! That's one example what a complete new “clean sweep” 8.5 DVD installation fix!
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2009/11/02 14:04:09
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Just a quick comparison, if you install the download version then you must leave Sonar 8.3.1 installed and you can't uninstall it. I know as I tried and it totally corrupted my 8.5 installation. With the DVD's you can completely wipe previous versions of Sonar and start again with no interference from previous versions.
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2009/11/02 14:04:36
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kinda hard to argue with success.
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2009/11/02 14:46:05
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folks - i am not questioning the truth of your statements - i am just questioning the fact that in accordance to those reports here EVERYONE who bought the download only is a poor moron (not because i say so, but because it looks like they got a little fooled by cakewalk)
as i mentioned before: i will recieve the dvd within days - and also the download works nicely here - but i did no deeper tests...
so freddie - push this forward and theach em to provide us "good" downloads !!!
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2009/11/03 05:21:02
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folks - i am not questioning the truth of your statements - i am just questioning the fact that in accordance to those reports here EVERYONE who bought the download only is a poor moron (not because i say so, but because it looks like they got a little fooled by cakewalk)
as i mentioned before: i will recieve the dvd within days - and also the download works nicely here - but i did no deeper tests...
so freddie - push this forward and theach em to provide us "good" downloads !!!
regards
No one call anyone anything... and that isn't my attention with this thread. +1 you right... better if Cakewalk made a total download version like the 8.5 DVD:s instead, no need to have 8.3.1 before you install. Anyway, I would like to have it on physical DVD's too. Perhaps I'm old fashioned? Regards Freddie
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2009/11/05 02:15:50
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Technical, a clean installation of Windows 7 from a DVD, should be exactly the the same as if you updating your excising OS from----> XP32bit. Is it the same? Would you update your OS from the Web and believe that's the same? Think about it! You can't get anyhitng resembling a clean install when upgrading an O/S, because the new files go into the same paths as the old files, and a lot of the registry has to be preserved for installed apps to continue working. None of this is true of applications in general, and SONAR 8.5 in particular, which gets its own directory, its own application data file, config and initialization files, and registry branch. In short, an O/S is a completely different animal from an application in this regard.
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2009/11/05 02:21:44
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Just a quick comparison, if you install the download version then you must leave Sonar 8.3.1 installed and you can't uninstall it. I know as I tried and it totally corrupted my 8.5 installation. Au contraire. As documented in another thread on this, it can be done, and I did it. It's not rocket science, you just need to preserve a copy of your shared* folders because uninstalling old versions deletes some shared content. Other than that, no damage is done to the 8.5 installation by uninstalling previous versions.
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2009/11/05 04:33:51
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Kind of different it must be? Snap to Zero crossings work now with split tool, has never worked before in any SONAR version + other fixes. Rapture LE64 is missing if you install from the 8.5 DVD. Seem not to be the same to me, because I did use the update version first? Regards Freddie
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