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Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this...

Hi all,

And hopefully some CW'ers.  Forgive me but I must take one last shot at this.  Looking at Panu Mods it would seem it doesn't take very long to manipulate "Colors" in X1.  He's on the ball when an update comes out.  Now I suspect it may be a different level when done by the bakers but here goes...

How about 1 further quick fix that would just give us back color options and indents?  Lets call it a cosmetic update... and any1 not interested and happy as is can ignore it.


With over 35 pages of responses for Panup Mods, I submit that tells its own story.  


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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/17 06:37:48 (permalink)

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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/17 06:43:45 (permalink)
    Is it that Panup's color changes don't/can't go far enough that you ask this of Cakewalk?

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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/17 06:55:02 (permalink)
    For me yes and also I don't like the idea of having to resort to Mods...

    (Though I admire Panup for providing such avenues for us)
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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/17 06:59:11 (permalink)
    It's not going to happend until X2, I'm sure.

    The long awaited update X1c did have that as priority.

    I'm mostly concerned on stability and what is there already really works. Some threads indicate it almost is as a fresh release of a rookie product.

    Cake is learning a lot from user input now - I got two surveys from doing the trial so everybody would say what's important to them I guess.

    I think X2 will be a killer app.
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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/17 07:44:13 (permalink)
    back to waiting if your right (I suspect you are)......
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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/17 08:42:43 (permalink)

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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/17 11:31:15 (permalink)
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    Hi all,

    And hopefully some CW'ers.  Forgive me but I must take one last shot at this.  Looking at Panu Mods it would seem it doesn't take very long to manipulate "Colors" in X1.  He's on the ball when an update comes out.  Now I suspect it may be a different level when done by the bakers but here goes...

    How about 1 further quick fix that would just give us back color options and indents?  Lets call it a cosmetic update... and any1 not interested and happy as is can ignore it.


    With over 35 pages of responses for Panup Mods, I submit that tells its own story.  


    Respect & thanks as always 2 CW as I know you do listen at the very least.
     
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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/17 15:18:55 (permalink)
    I wish they would bring back our colors as well. I did not use X1 until the color mods came. The mods made Sonar usable.

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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/17 15:20:53 (permalink)
    +1 I want also all color options back in SONAR X1.


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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/17 15:25:41 (permalink)
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    http://www.cakewalk.com/support/contact/featurerequest.aspx

    Thanks for the link. Entered a plea.
     
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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/17 17:06:55 (permalink)
    I wonder how many are using Panup's mods just for colors, and how many are using it for buttons...
     

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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/17 17:11:55 (permalink)
    Mostly for colours, but a couple of buttons help too (especially when their on/off differential is small or confusing with other areas of the screen).
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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/17 17:18:40 (permalink)
    Hmm... well I think it is not bad if the colours where more manageable. The mods from Panup sure fills a gap here. I am sure we get more "freedom" in the next version of X1.

    However, you can call me crazy, but I just seem to like the default colours of X1. I tried the Panup colour mods, but keep reverting back to the default colour scheme of X1. Guess I am just a strange guy...
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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/17 21:47:26 (permalink)
    Good idea... EVERYONE who is freaking out about the lack of colors and customization should speak up. Really, if changing the color scheme is important to you... speak up!! Someone start a petition and everyone sign it. I am sure Panup or Benstat.. (I get them mixed up) have a wondeful color scheme mod... but, as for me, I would prefer to use only CW.
    The color scheme is not that important to me but I will sign on in support of those to whom the sun rises and sets on an X1 color scheme.
     
     
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    This has been a regular ongoing request and it hould at least be addressed... perhaps it has and I missed it because I was not interested.
     
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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/17 21:53:55 (permalink)
    I'd like to see more colour customisation too. But MAN, am I bored of these threads.

    So you know, FR it. Has everyone on this thread put in a Feature Request? Just the other day, Willy said that the number of requests for ther same feature was one of the ways things get bumped up the priority list. You don't need a petition.
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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/17 22:33:03 (permalink)
      I think you may be tangling his Mods with Sonar Plus (benstat's button util)... Panu does some great work modifying buttons as well as colors, but Ben's util gives us the toolbar/buttons as we had in earlier versions of Sonar (and then some)... Keni

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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/17 23:14:02 (permalink)
    The combination of Panups mods (he just finished Yellowstone for X1C - HUGE THX as it was my default GUI) and benstats Sonar Plus is unbeatable.

    Sorta amazed both haven't been quietly inticed into Cake.  Seriosuly,the work is that good.
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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/18 00:39:42 (permalink)
    Yeah, thanks for reminding me about the feature request John T. I'm one of the ones that has been crying about the colors as well as having "customize" brought back for the control bar. I loved it when I could put what *I* wanted in my tool bars.

    I love everything that Panu and Ben have done, but I sincerely feel some of these options should exist by default in X1. The skin thing they have looks great, but I really don't want to go that far. I just want the ability to adjust the colors on everything so Sonar looks the way I want it to and I'd love to be able to have the tool bar set up for me and what I use all the time. I really don't think that's too much to ask and hope that it gets implemented without having to buy X2.

    Though X1 has worked pretty well for me and a few others, I have to confess that without these mods that have been given to us, I'd probably not use X1 as much due to how I just don't like how it looks. I know that sounds lame....but it would be like having a Ferarri that was willed to me that was the ugliest color brown you could dream up. I'd drive it and enjoy it, but that color would make me cringe each time I got into it and I sure would feel a better about it if it were a color I really loved.

    I don't know about you, but when I have to look at something for hours and hours that just doesn't appeal to me, it sort of puts me in an uninspiring mood. Would ya date or marry a chick you weren't physically attracted to? That's kinda how I feel about Sonar. If I have to wake up with a face for the rest of my life that I'm not crazy about, it's definitely going to be a problem for me. I work with Sonar for over 12 hours per day most of the time. I'd really like it to look the way *I* want it to look as well as have the options I've grown fond of over the years. :)

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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/18 01:24:19 (permalink)
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    I'd like to see more colour customisation too. But MAN, am I bored of these threads.

    So you know, FR it. Has everyone on this thread put in a Feature Request? Just the other day, Willy said that the number of requests for ther same feature was one of the ways things get bumped up the priority list. You don't need a petition.

    Me, too.  Hopefully it won't be necessary sooner than later, because it's of importance to me too.  Filing a Feature Request is the most important thing I agree, but getting attention on the forum is hopefully covering all bets. 
     
    A lot of people don't frequent the forums, so the constant attention hopefully pulls them in as well.  I usually don't visit the forums that much, but when I take the time to peruse prior posts that go back a few days I'm surprised at just how much had occurred between visits -- especially when the issue directly affects something of interest to me.  So for my rare visits, I'm more likely to bump into an issue if it is repeated.
     
    The squeaky wheel, however unwelcome or annoying, often gets the grease.  If the topic is not relevant to someone then I can understand why it would be annoying, but this one clearly has a lot of attention.  More than just the number of people posting, but the number of posts and visits to the threads on "Sonar mods" could be considered as significant -- perhaps statistically significant, who knows?
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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/18 01:33:43 (permalink)
    No malice intended but how often do we paint our outboard gear? I think we have to focus on the software for  what it is designed for, to create and record pro quality music with minimal glitches. this is IMHO.
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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/18 02:36:27 (permalink)
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    No malice intended but how often do we paint our outboard gear? I think we have to focus on the software for  what it is designed for, to create and record pro quality music with minimal glitches. this is IMHO.

    No malice taken.  The assumption there is that we paint our outboard gear for fun or to look cool or to have a vibe with our gear.


    Imagine, instead, if your outboard gear had all its LED indicators removed or the button labels were hard to read from a distance, or whatever you can imagine occurred such that you found yourself having to check and re-check values when previously you merely had to glance.


    Further imagine that a lot of other people agreed with you.  But many others didn't.  You'd still feel that it was important to you.
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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/18 04:09:51 (permalink)
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    No malice intended but how often do we paint our outboard gear? I think we have to focus on the software for  what it is designed for, to create and record pro quality music with minimal glitches. this is IMHO.

    Not really the same thing there, annie. You don't stare at your outboard gear for hours....you glance at it, set it and move on, ya know? There are some incredible recording consoles out there today. Some, incredibly UGLY and no matter how good they are, I'd not buy one for that reason. Orange amps and cabs to me are ugly....I'd never buy one no matter how good they sound. Parker Fly guitars are hideous to me...I'd never buy one no matter how great they supposedly sound.
     
    You also have to keep in mind that for many years, Sonar/Cakewalk allowed for loads of customized options. When you take that away from those that welcome that stuff, it can really bother those individuals. Though quality recording and minimal glitches are of the utmost importance, the last thing I want to do is look at something all day that is not appealing to me when in the past, I had the options to make the changes I so desired.
     
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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/18 06:07:54 (permalink)
    I'm not a big one for bothering with customisation at all, and I actually like the default look of X1. But even given that, I think there are some really odd choices in X1 that can't be changed. My pet one is the fact that the separator strip in the console view is the same colour as the console itself, which makes it totally unfit for purpose. And there are people with even worse eyesight than mine who could come up with a dozen such things no doubt. So I think while there are lots of people who just want to be able to mess around with for aesthetic reasons there are also practical reasons why lots of people want colour changes too. I think it probably feels fairly low priority for the developers, because you'd generally guess that people are asking for the former reason, rather than the latter. Nothing wrong with the former, but it's becoming apparent that the latter group have a fairly real difficulty.

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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/18 06:23:52 (permalink)
    You can still of course Import a colour scheme from previous Sonar versions.

    But in order to do this you need to Export said colour scheme from 8.5 or whatever.

    It won't replace everything in X1 but goes a long way towards it.

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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/18 06:30:50 (permalink)
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    Nothing wrong with the former, but it's becoming apparent that the latter group have a fairly real difficulty.
    You know John, for me it's not as much a difficulty as it is an annoyance. LOL! I'm just so used to being able to make a change when there is something I'm not down with...that not having that ability now drives me crazy. I remember when I first started using PT, I just couldn't get over how bad it looked. It was so Windows 3.1 to me. I knew how powerful it was, but I just couldn't take it seriously. Almost as bad as a rocker with hair that cuts it all off, and then tries to bang his head on stage with a guitar and there ain't no hair moving with him. Hahaha! Believe it or not, the only DAW I've ever used that I just liked out of the box, was the old Paris Audio. I couldn't handle those colors now, but years ago they never seemed to bother me. I guess the older versions of Sonar spoiled me. :)
     
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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/18 06:33:52 (permalink)
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    You can still of course Import a colour scheme from previous Sonar versions.

    But in order to do this you need to Export said colour scheme from 8.5 or whatever.

    It won't replace everything in X1 but goes a long way towards it.

    That's exactly what I did man, but it didn't correct console view which is where I spend a majority of my mixing. I got it where I need it for editing, but that bright silver console just doesn't sit well with me when I can change it in 8.5 to whatever I want, ya know? :)
     
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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/18 06:51:44 (permalink)
    Hey Danny - try coupling that with one of Panups mods - I think it was Lighthouse I used. It really brightens the console up.

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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/18 07:10:14 (permalink)
    Yeah...without Panup's Mods I'd be lost in my DAW. My eyesight is such that really dark on dark GUI's just make it more difficult for me to see what I am doing..I'm usually working about a foot or so from my flatscreen as it is..the reason? I cannot read the font as it is sometimes a little too blurry...when I use my DAW I like a more brighter( OK..more 'neutral') colour. I like me a little more contrast in the background/font mix...

    The other FR I place in the mix is one for full customization...this way the bellowfests about the keyboard vs mouse will be voided...

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    Re:Colors X1c: Obliged to take 1 last shot at this... 2011/08/18 07:36:08 (permalink)
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    Hey Danny - try coupling that with one of Panups mods - I think it was Lighthouse I used. It really brightens the console up.

    I do already. :) Dark Side...which he pretty much made for me when I begged for a dark theme that looked more like this:
     

     
    LOL! Without it though...I'd be going nuts. He actually made me a random theme changer for X1 that loaded up a different theme for me each time. It was really cool. I was using Orfeus, Dark Side and something else...and I jokingly said "Hey Panu, it would really be cool if there was a randomize feature" the next thing you know, he says "hey Danny, try this". LOL! That guy is something else I tell ya. He and Ben are always here for us making an incredible difference.

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