Thanks for the tip Bitflipper. I'll give that a whirl. There's definitely something strange going on......

Thanks for the reply GlennKay. There is something strange with the handles but I've made a few discoveries (for me at least)

It seems that the ghosted data in the 'wrong' lane may be by design. It can be turned on & off using the PRV Controllers menu and deselecting it. The  controllers menu seems to be lane sensitive and only affects and reflects the current active lane.
 
It would also appear that "show velocity" under the notes menu is lane specific as well, but doesn't always reflect the true state when switching lanes.
 
I guess this might come in handy if one is trying to line up control changes of different types.
 
I am now at least starting to see some consistency with the cc in lane display issue, it appears to be buggy but reasonably logical.
 
Still stumped by finding a 'recipe' for the handles issue though. It seems to me at least completely random.

I do a great deal of CC editing - mostly pitch and mod wheel -, so when this problem comes up it's quite annoying. The "show controller handles" option is checked, but no handles. I'm sure it's a bug, but I haven't been able to reproduce it at will. Most of the time, the handles follow the option.

However, I've always been able to get the handles back by un-checking the option, closing the PRV, re-opening the PRV and re-checking the option. Or maybe it's un-check, re-check, close and reopen, I forget.

Update for anyone searching for a solution to this problem and finding this thread..........

CWBRN-6172 View Controller handles option not working............ has been confirmed and "submitted to development".

The problem doesn't manifest itself if you have a non-floating, non-docked PRV. If you have a floating or multi-docked PRV the "Show Controller Handles" does not work consistently, or at all for me most of the time.........

The workround is to undock and disable floating on the PRV then make the option change.

Here's hoping for a fix.

My controller handles don't work worth a flip.

The handles can be shown while docked and floating, it's just the state can't be changed without un-docking and disabling float.

That's the same problem we had earlier with the option to enable Grid Resolution > Follow Snap Settings in the PRV. IIRC, a window that is undocked and unfloated is in "MDA Mode". I should have remembered this. 

I have seen this problem under 8.5, and my PRV is always undocked and floating.

I've had that ghosting of data ever since I can remember - I mean where velocity, or a controller will show up in another pane. But it's ghosted, not fully opaque, and since that ghosted data can't be edited, I've always just shrugged it off. It doesn't interfere with editing, and often goes away when more panes/lanes are added. But I'm saying, I've had that for several versions back in Sonar - way before X1. RB

I'm glad I found this thread!
 
This issue is still there. I couldn't edit negative values for pitch wheel data because you can only see anything (for values below zero) if handles are enabled. Of course I couldn't enable handles - because as you know, I enabled them in the menu, bu tnothing happened!
 
FBB's fix is still appropriate - and although it's a nuisance, it works. Like some others, I don't normally like to see the handles on controller data - but for pitch wheel data, this is the only way you can edit them in the PRV. Above zero values (for pitch wheel) are normal, so this is doubly bizarre!
 
Anyway - thanks a lot fastbikerboy for discovering this obscure fix!

browser,
 
You definitely cannot see anything. For positive values, everything is normal, for zero you get a black dot on the center line and for negative values you get empty screen. They are there - you can see them on the clips in Track View and the inline PRV.
 
I can do a screen shot - but can't be bothered right now ;-)
 
If you look at p696 in the X2 reference manual - that is exactly what I see. Handles show me the negative pitch wheel values (handles only with no stems), while positive (above zero) looks normal.
 
It's weird...

Thanks for looking in rbowser. You know I'm not a newbie - I do know what I'm doing here ;-)
 
The annoying thing is that this issue with the handles has been around since at least X1 (as can be seen in this thread) - and now, not only is it not fixed - there is a new added dimension to it! ;-)
 
I do like SONAR - but things like this just make me despair ;-)
 
Still, it's nice to have the guys in the forum to help out - because Cakewalk support is going nowhere. I don't even bother filing those defect reports because when they eventually get back to you, the problem has either evolved, or you've moved on - and probably discovered new problems ;-)
 
I only discovered this because I have a bass line with somw pitch bends going down. I don't normally do this - so I haven't come across it before. Then I also got a new slide guitar for Kontakt - and that is going to use a lot of pitch bend info - hence my newfound interest in this ;-)
 
 

Oh yeah, I forgot about the forum sucks too. I set Firefox to automatically throw me into IE when I go to this forum 

It's an add-on. I forgot what it's called (I'm on the iPad) - just query IE in the add ons you'll find it ;-)
 
EDIT - the addon is called "IE View". You can set certain urls to always launch IE. It's good for these forums.