Like I said, it is no issue to me, play with the numbers any way you wish.

You guys are just bitter NYC barely made the top 10. I mean excuses like "population density" and "murders-per-capita." Why not murders per square mile? It is all in how one chooses to work the figures.

The difference between total shootings and per-capita shootings is not "playing with the numbers," it's a crucial distinction. Per-capita tells you how likely it is that YOU will be shot in one area as opposed to another. I think places like NYC get a reputation purely because when you have so many people crowded into such a small area, you're obviously going to get a lot of messed up stuff happening, which when spread over a larger area of the country wouldn't raise so many eyebrows. 

Yeah certain areas of New York have always been and will always be dangerous. In some neighborhoods you can't let your kids out to play without worrying about them being hit by a stray bullet. It's amazing how stark the contrast is, even between one avenue and another. I'm on Avenue C in Manhattan which is pretty safe (although it wasn't 15 years ago), yet one block over to Avenue D is another matter. I hear shots from the projects over there all the time. The projects are situated in the oddest places in Manhattan, like over on 9th Avenue you have one nestled right between streets containing boutique lofts and luxury doorman buildings. There are murders there all the time. I can't imagine what it must be like to pay $1million+ for an apartment, only to step out of your front door into a project setting every day. 

Incidentally I was on the scene of the ESB shooting this morning, came out of the Herald Square station about 15 minutes after it happened, saw the craziness over on 5th and had to go investigate. It was pretty mad stuff. Nothing gets the adrenaline rushing like a New York "incident" with cops and sirens and people shouting and screaming. 

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Unless those 277 are strictly random bystanders getting shot, there's bound to be husbands killing their wives, domestic violence, gangs and drug dealers fighting each others, and such in there.

I think the vast majority of shootings in New York are of the "one thug shoots another" variety. It seems like in most cases, the victim has a colorful criminal background so the feeling is it was bound to happen to him sooner or later. When I first moved here I was a little perturbed by the shootings and felt a little threatened by it, now I've come to realize that the gangs are just perpetually shooting each other, and as long as I don't get myself involved in any of that crap, I'm going to be pretty safe. 

Per-capita would tell you how likely something would happen within a population not within an area. I would imagine "per square mile" would be a measurement related to area. I suppose you could mash up persons per square mile and get some kind of figure. That what makes stats so much fun. Anecdotes notwithstanding, I still think you guys are bitter about being so unhip.

scook


Per-capita would tell you how likely something would happen within a population not within an area. I would imagine "per square mile" would be a measurement related to area. I suppose you could mash up persons per square mile and get some kind of figure. That what makes stats so much fun. Anecdotes notwithstanding, I still think you guys are bitter about being so unhip.

I'm from Canada, man - how much more unhip does it get? ;)


That being said, I've lived here 6 months last year, 3 and a half this year, and NY is pretty awesome, no matter what the rest of the world thinks. 

I'm from Canada, man - how much more unhip does it get? ;)

 
So is Traynor... YBA-1 was a really cool amp and their new YGM-3 is really cool! Plus Neil Young and IIRC The BAND? Then there are the Ice Road Truckers.... and RUSH. IRT is OK but I never developed a taste for RUSH, I think it is because the first album I bought by them was some awful live thing from the mid/early 70s. Rain is always cool though and of course the Cirque.
 
BTW, going out to dinner tonight, going to give the name Corleone when they ask... heh. Maybe Luciano.. nah, Corleone is better.
 
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Are those the population figures SMSA or political boundaries or what? Bear in mind the FBI numbers are under reported and we would need to do a quite bit more research to really get to the heart of NYC's murder problem.

If such is the case, wouldn't it be the same for every other city we're comparing NY to?

 
Interesting tactic, ignore the first question and ask an unknowable question in response. The easy answer would be no, that would need to be established some way. Alternately one might claim that it would be unfair to assert that everywhere under reports crime at the same rate as NYC.

No a tactic - english is my second language - I have no clue what SMSA means. Feel free to rip on me for getting into an argument w/ you for that. I simply googled up the inhabitants numbers for each city. That was enough for me - as for the rest, from my time in NY, it seems to match my impression - which doesn't date back from 40 years. 


So there you have it - we can't know, there are too many variables, the FBI is hiding the truth from us about how horrible the crime rate is in NY, distorting the facts and playing w/ statistics. No need to discus about it. 


Peace,  I'm out.

That's right rip on an old man.
BTW your English is plenty good enough.
I would have been very surprised if you knew what a Standard Metropolitan Statistical Area was. I would not know had I been exposed to this junk in a deep dark past. It isn't that what we have been talking about is unknowable but is complex and difficult to know. At least well beyond my understanding and I freely admit it. But as I said before, numbers can be massaged many ways.

scook


That's right rip on an old man.
BTW your English is plenty good enough.
I would have been very surprised if you knew what a Standard Metropolitan Statistical Area was. I would not know had I been exposed to this junk in a deep dark past. It isn't that what we have been talking about is unknowable but is complex and difficult to know. At least well beyond my understanding and I freely admit it. But as I said before, numbers can be massaged many ways.

Maybe that sounded harsh - my apologies for that.


One's perception of NY is linked to his expectation. I love music, shows, museums - and music stores. 


I work at home so I don't have to deal w/ MTA and their unreliable busses. That would probably affect my perception of the city if I had to rely on them daily. Though my wife does and she still adores NY just as much as I.


The place where we live is clean and nice w/ good security - which does taint my judgement. I might not have the same appreciation if I lived elsewhere. 


Though I feel more at home in East Village than in Manhattan, I dig this part of the city too.


More than anything, even if I'm not a people's person, I have to say that the majority of the people I meet in NY are actually surprisingly nice. Every one remembered us from last year - even the guy in that shop where I bought a suit once last year. 

Really, the things that bug me are tourists in Time Square, cab drivers and the wheater. That's about it.


So that's MY New York. Someone else's may be different.

Rain

scook


Per-capita would tell you how likely something would happen within a population not within an area. I would imagine "per square mile" would be a measurement related to area. I suppose you could mash up persons per square mile and get some kind of figure. That what makes stats so much fun. Anecdotes notwithstanding, I still think you guys are bitter about being so unhip.

I'm from Canada, man - how much more unhip does it get? ;)


That being said, I've lived here 6 months last year, 3 and a half this year, and NY is pretty awesome, no matter what the rest of the world thinks. 

I love Canada.  It is America's hat. 


 Used to work for Royal Bank.  Been to Toronto, Montreal, Windsor, Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver, Victoria... some others

Plus you gave us Justin Bieber, Paul Anka, Celine Dion, Nickleback, Jim West, ...
Oh and Neil Young and Rush. 

And the great Canadian movies, like Videodrome, and uh, did I mention Videodrome?  And that movie with Deborah Harry - wait that was Videodrome wasn't it? 

IMDB lists Kissed - a movie about a Necrophiliac as a great Canadian movie.  I must have missed that one.  

I too have enjoyed my time in Canada but my kindergarten French did not go very far in Montreal or Toronto (I was in my teens at the time). Public school kindergarden what a let down.

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Rain

scook


Per-capita would tell you how likely something would happen within a population not within an area. I would imagine "per square mile" would be a measurement related to area. I suppose you could mash up persons per square mile and get some kind of figure. That what makes stats so much fun. Anecdotes notwithstanding, I still think you guys are bitter about being so unhip.

I'm from Canada, man - how much more unhip does it get? ;)


That being said, I've lived here 6 months last year, 3 and a half this year, and NY is pretty awesome, no matter what the rest of the world thinks. 

I love Canada.  It is America's hat. 


Used to work for Royal Bank.  Been to Toronto, Montreal, Windsor, Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver, Victoria... some others

Plus you gave us Justin Bieber, Paul Anka, Celine Dion, Nickleback, Jim West, ...
Oh and Neil Young and Rush. 

And the great Canadian movies, like Videodrome, and uh, did I mention Videodrome?  And that movie with Deborah Harry - wait that was Videodrome wasn't it? 

IMDB lists Kissed - a movie about a Necrophiliac as a great Canadian movie.  I must have missed that one.  

I apologized profusely and publicly on several occasions for Celine Dion and Bieber. I know it was cruel to unleash them upon you guys w/o a warning. 


Didn't see Kissed? If you like independent movies and the subject doesn't repulse you, you must put it on your playlist. It's actually treated pretty poetically. I've lifted tons of samples off that movie for one of my projects. ;)

And "Suck" too. Awesome independent rock vampire comedy, featuring Alex Lifeson of Rush as a US immigration agent, Iggy Pop, Alice Cooper and many more. Probably my favorite Canadian movie. :)

Me and Spacey just happen to live in one of the coolest (and also hottest this year) places on Earth but (and my apologies if you don't concur Spacey,  ol pal) we'd just as soon that nobody else knew about it at all.  Why'nt yall all go to Houston or New York City or one a them other cool places.  Nothin ta see down heah.  Ya'll don't come back now, ya heah:-)

Apology accepted. I too apologize that you had the impression that I attended kindergarten at a teenager.