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2017/05/12 13:33:27 (permalink)

Copy, Paste, Split MADNESS!!!!!!!

Any time I use these functions, I get 5-100 iterations pasted ALL OVER my project. A song 120 measures long within minutes becomes 10,000 measures long.
 
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My customer wants to know why I need an hour and a half to delete the trash (WITHOUT DELETENG NEEDED STUFF!!!)
Very embarrassing with him looking over my shoulder.
A one hour project is taking days to complete.
 
Any ideas why this is occurring?
 
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Re: Copy, Paste, Split MADNESS!!!!!!! 2017/05/12 13:51:22 (permalink)
My only guess would be that you may be selecting more than just the clip you want to copy.
I've never experienced what I think you're dealing with.

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Re: Copy, Paste, Split MADNESS!!!!!!! 2017/05/12 13:51:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby karhide 2017/05/12 14:11:52
My guess is Preferences > Customization > Editing "What to do with existing material:" is set to "Slide Over Old to Make Room." If this is the case, change the value to one of the other two options. This is a very old bug.
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Re: Copy, Paste, Split MADNESS!!!!!!! 2017/05/12 15:04:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Slugbaby 2017/05/12 15:45:36
FWIW
Sometimes it pays to sit down with sample projects and just explore things with and or without the manual at hand , when you have downtime (no clients present). It's a form of mix engineer practice which cost "you" nothing but time.
No offence intended, but there is a difference between DAW error and user error. And the client rightfully so should be asking why this is taking so long, without it being blamed on the DAW. That's why it pays to practice what seems like mundane or trivial functions. 
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Re: Copy, Paste, Split MADNESS!!!!!!! 2017/05/15 14:38:20 (permalink)
Been using Cakewalk products for 10 years.
 
Thank you all for the help and support.
 
Moving to Protools.
 
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Re: Copy, Paste, Split MADNESS!!!!!!! 2017/05/15 14:46:06 (permalink)
wow!
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Re: Copy, Paste, Split MADNESS!!!!!!! 2017/05/15 14:58:54 (permalink)
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Moving to Protools.
 
Bye.


Good idea, that won't have a learning curve at all.

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Re: Copy, Paste, Split MADNESS!!!!!!! 2017/05/15 15:52:23 (permalink)
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Moving to Protools.
 
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Good idea, that won't have a learning curve at all.




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Re: Copy, Paste, Split MADNESS!!!!!!! 2017/05/15 18:53:45 (permalink)
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Been using Cakewalk products for 10 years.
 
Thank you all for the help and support.
 
Moving to Protools.
 
Bye.




If what scook said isn't the issue and only you experience a problem, others can't help you because the problem is specific to you. As to Pro Tools, you might want to do some due diligence.

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Re: Copy, Paste, Split MADNESS!!!!!!! 2017/05/17 21:01:42 (permalink)
What a douche
 
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Re: Copy, Paste, Split MADNESS!!!!!!! 2017/05/17 22:08:22 (permalink)
Actually in support of the OP, editing is often buggy for me, simple cut and paste goes sideways in a hurry if you are not careful. The default settings basically suck and until you do sort things out it is a PITA to do in SPLAT what was once easy in the older versions before X 
That said, I would never hire myself out until I master my tools no matter what the job. 
I would have sent the client home and told them "I'll work on this and have it ready for you tomorrow". 

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Re: Copy, Paste, Split MADNESS!!!!!!! 2017/05/18 13:19:19 (permalink)
Only time anything similar happened to me it was the paste function. If you paste special and paste multiple repetitions of a clip, say 123 repetitions of a bar of drums, then later paste non-specially - the paste will still paste 123 repetitions even though you are not special pasting. In other words - if you special-paste with repetitions then you have to special-paste the next time you just want a singular-paste to set it back to one. Only then will regular paste paste one again as you would expect.
Perhaps I should enter a feature request that special paste repetition NOT be persistent to subsequent regular paste??

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Re: Copy, Paste, Split MADNESS!!!!!!! 2017/05/18 18:34:24 (permalink)
Wow.
I'm pasting, deleting and copying clips for over 20 years 250 times per day.
Splitting clips over 500 times per day.
Never had any issue in over 20 years.
 

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Re: Copy, Paste, Split MADNESS!!!!!!! 2017/05/18 19:17:42 (permalink)
By that point in the session, I'm curious how many times the customer had asked why the OP wasn't using pro-tools. His response to the suggestion that he learn his tools more fully (always good advice no matter how experienced you are) was likely anger and frustration talking. I'd give him a pass on any perceived forum protocol violations. 

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Re: Copy, Paste, Split MADNESS!!!!!!! 2017/05/18 21:14:29 (permalink)
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Wow.
I'm pasting, deleting and copying clips for over 20 years 250 times per day.
Splitting clips over 500 times per day.
Never had any issue in over 20 years.
 




But there you go, you have come up with a way that always works. Like I said, once you figure it out it is no problem.. The issue is it's not exactly user friendly and it is easy to make a big mess. 

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Re: Copy, Paste, Split MADNESS!!!!!!! 2017/05/20 16:11:12 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2017/05/20 17:51:14
A user with 10 years of experience should know SONAR copy-paste and drag-drop functionality inside and out, including that 'Slide Over to Make Room has been broken for years, and that 'Paste Special' choices persist for subsequent 'normal' Paste operations. 'Paste Special' just gives you the Paste options dialog, where 'normal' paste allows you to paste using the last-selected options without having to OK the Options dialog when you don't need to change anything.

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Re: Copy, Paste, Split MADNESS!!!!!!! 2017/05/22 21:25:02 (permalink)
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Actually in support of the OP, editing is often buggy for me, simple cut and paste goes sideways in a hurry if you are not careful. The default settings basically suck and until you do sort things out it is a PITA to do in SPLAT what was once easy in the older versions before X 
That said, I would never hire myself out until I master my tools no matter what the job. 
I would have sent the client home and told them "I'll work on this and have it ready for you tomorrow". 


I've had similar issues with Paste that, regardless of how seasoned you are with Sonar, will still crop up, and I'm embarrassed that it's not doing what I've come to expect it to do. I don't think Paste is working perfectly. I just think people have just found other ways to accomplish the same thing--or they don't do enough conventional editing to see the symptoms.

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Re: Copy, Paste, Split MADNESS!!!!!!! 2017/05/23 00:36:27 (permalink)
This guy never wanted to ask for help, he wanted to leave with the ole dramatic exit.
He asked the same thing a year or so ago. I tried answering him. With his 10 years of experience he doesn't know the correct terminology ... http://forum.cakewalk.com/MASSIVE-copies-when-using-snip-edit-m3514537.aspx
saying the scissor tool is not working ?
 
Sonar isn't perfect on the editing die of things. it needs some help. Im able to work smoothly because I have a method and I have a madness. as long as I don't walk outside when its dark im fine. but the second I try to turn a flashlight on or get an idea/try something new, editing can go all "Sir Wonks A lot" on me.
 
But there's no need for help here. This guy was leaving years ago.
 
However what he was trying to do is very easy. When you split a clip (with sonars default preferences), the clip is not truly split, All the data is still there for slip editing purposes. the clip only truly splits when you "Bounce to clips".
So you either change preferences/ what to do with material or you bounce your clips, then clean the audio folder. Done !

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Re: Copy, Paste, Split MADNESS!!!!!!! 2017/05/23 13:36:17 (permalink)
Perhaps he posts similar exits in Avid's forum, too. I've been to the point of jumping ship, too (looong time ago), but when I discovered how poorly implemented PT is on Windows (feels like it was developed with Flash), and how totally non-intuitive it is, made me quickly realize why I didn't go their route in the first place.

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Re: Copy, Paste, Split MADNESS!!!!!!! 2017/05/23 13:59:50 (permalink)
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Perhaps he posts similar exits in Avid's forum, too. I've been to the point of jumping ship, too (looong time ago), but when I discovered how poorly implemented PT is on Windows (feels like it was developed with Flash), and how totally non-intuitive it is, made me quickly realize why I didn't go their route in the first place.


good point.
I've look for alternatives in the past (if just for certain things like editing, exc) but somehow find myself back here in Sonar because, while it isn't perfect, it does what I want it to. We are creatures of habit, some of us more daring than others but I typically work in a way which I always do. Sure I dabble in other features.
I use probably 80-90% of the programs features with the only exception "Staff view".
 
I also don't use copy paste as a multi-paste copier, instead I choose the route to copy 1 in to 2, then 2 in to 4, 4 in to 8 and so on.

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Re: Copy, Paste, Split MADNESS!!!!!!! 2017/05/23 14:05:28 (permalink)
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good point.
I've look for alternatives in the past (if just for certain things like editing, exc) but somehow find myself back here in Sonar because, while it isn't perfect, it does what I want it to. ...



I think that's an important thing to mention - DAWs are usually designed to appeal to the masses, so they will each have benefits and drawbacks for us depending on our workflows and plans.  I find myself using Sonar because it fits better; the downsides and flaws don't really affect me, while I appreciate what it DOES provide.
Then again, 90% of my personal recording has been done with CW products, so my workflows have evolved with heavy Sonar influence.   
I try other DAWs, and can't get past the learning curve.

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Re: Copy, Paste, Split MADNESS!!!!!!! 2017/05/24 14:49:28 (permalink)
This may not be the place for yet another Pro Tools v Cakewalk thing, but I will say the one thing that troubles me as a long-time Cakewalk user, is how many products list their compatibility as Pro Tools, Logic Pro, Cubase, Studio One, Ableton, etc. but no Sonar.
 
Sonar is conspicuously absent from a lot of the lists, and I am not sure why.  Surely there is a large user base.  Is the architecture radically different?  Is Cakewalk hard to work with?
 
So far, no product I needed urgently had this problem, but it is odd.

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Re: Copy, Paste, Split MADNESS!!!!!!! 2017/05/24 15:22:07 (permalink)
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This may not be the place for yet another Pro Tools v Cakewalk thing

you are right about that.
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Re: Copy, Paste, Split MADNESS!!!!!!! 2017/05/24 16:52:50 (permalink)
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This may not be the place for yet another Pro Tools v Cakewalk thing, but I will say the one thing that troubles me as a long-time Cakewalk user, is how many products list their compatibility as Pro Tools, Logic Pro, Cubase, Studio One, Ableton, etc. but no Sonar.
 
Sonar is conspicuously absent from a lot of the lists, and I am not sure why.  Surely there is a large user base.  Is the architecture radically different?  Is Cakewalk hard to work with?
 
So far, no product I needed urgently had this problem, but it is odd.


Sadly, at least in the Nashville area, the industry is still clinging to Macs with white-knuckled fists and foaming mouths. I think Windows 10 and the super high-performing hardware available is all working hard to perhaps change that. Until they succeed the reality is, what people are taught on or exposed to in studios tends to remain the hard-core standard. I've not seen one person in this area at any studio use Windows, other than me.

I was at a Waves SoundGrid demo last night, and one thing echoed, as much as presenters wanted to beat up on PT.
Most studios just don't have anything else, aside from Logic. If you produce a song or album in another DAW, and you want to bring it to a studio to mix or add to, get ready for mass exporting/importing work.

Waves came up with a brilliant solution to that, where, you can simply use SoundGrid to create output and input audio interfaces on two different types of DAWs simultaneously. You can export audio in real time from one (Ableton, for example), and have a PT rig recording that output (as its own input), not even aware the audio is coming from another DAW. However, the theme remained that this was necessary because the at-home producer uses different DAW's, but studios use PT.

Obviously, this can all be argued, but several DAW's were mentioned a few times during the demo, but there was absolutely no mention or even hint of Sonar the whole time I was there.

Sonar has serious capability, and perhaps adaptability to pretty much anything useful out there. They're just foreshadowed by the foray of Mac-clingers, unfortunately.

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Re: Copy, Paste, Split MADNESS!!!!!!! 2017/05/24 17:58:33 (permalink)
I've been copying/pasting for fifteen years and never had this happen.

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Re: Copy, Paste, Split MADNESS!!!!!!! 2017/05/25 21:21:57 (permalink)
Lots of reasonable and unreasonable answers above.   One thing that I didn't see, which might contribute to the difference between those who see errors in paste and those who don't:   CUT in Sonar is NOT the same as COPY.   A cut is going to change the selection range, while a copy will not.   Imo a lot of the paste difficulties can be traced to this difference.  
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Re: Copy, Paste, Split MADNESS!!!!!!! 2017/05/25 22:32:25 (permalink)
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A cut is going to change the selection range, while a copy will not.


What do you mean by changing the selection range?

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Re: Copy, Paste, Split MADNESS!!!!!!! 2017/05/25 22:44:26 (permalink)
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This guy never wanted to ask for help, he wanted to leave with the ole dramatic exit.
He asked the same thing a year or so ago. I tried answering him. With his 10 years of experience he doesn't know the correct terminology ... http://forum.cakewalk.com/MASSIVE-copies-when-using-snip-edit-m3514537.aspx
saying the scissor tool is not working ?

Ha! I saw this thread, and I don't know why, but I remembered that previous thread. I always figure, if people can't be bothered to come back and read replies and talk over a thing, they really can't be helped, so there's no point bothering.

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