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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you! 2011/01/11 13:09:54 (permalink)
That's the thing Billy, if I'm pasting to a track of snares then there is ALWAYS existing data and confirmation is required.
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you! 2011/01/11 13:19:57 (permalink)
In 8.5 the check box for "Ask Every Time" does not appear to be in the "Copy" or "Paste" dialog. It is however in the options.

Options > Global > Editing Tab
If you set all your options here, then remove the check for "Ask every time" it will use the settings that you entered without question.

I'm with some of the others. I like having the dialog come up so I can review before dropping! But the option is there to get rid of it.
 
EDIT w/UPDATE: I have never turned off the "Ask Every Time" box in 8.5 before so I tried it. It doesn't do anything! It still continues to ask on "copy" and "paste" for everything. Interesting :)

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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you! 2011/01/11 13:29:55 (permalink)
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That's the thing Billy, if I'm pasting to a track of snares then there is ALWAYS existing data and confirmation is required.

Well how is Sonar supposed to know what you want to do in that case if it doesn't ask you?  
 
If you're saying in X1 (not 8.5.3) it doesn't ask -- then what DOES it do?  And how would it know what YOU want it to do?
 
Maybe it's a bug?
 
 

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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you! 2011/01/11 13:32:06 (permalink)
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In 8.5 the check box for "Ask Every Time" does not appear to be in the "Copy" or "Paste" dialog. It is however in the options.

Options > Global > Editing Tab
If you set all your options here, then remove the check for "Ask every time" it will use the settings that you entered without question.

I'm with some of the others. I like having the dialog come up so I can review before dropping! But the option is there to get rid of it.
 
EDIT w/UPDATE: I have never turned off the "Ask Every Time" box in 8.5 before so I tried it. It doesn't do anything! It still continues to ask on "copy" and "paste" for everything. Interesting :)

I'm not at my DAW, but the reason I quoted from the ref guide for 8.x is because Sonar HAS to ask you IF there is existing data in the timeline where copied data will be pasted to.   That's just logical.
 
The drag & drop options play a role there too (and you can turn off the 'ask' there as well).
 
 

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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you! 2011/01/11 13:34:30 (permalink)
Billy:

On my system (I find I need to qualify that) Sonar X1 by default does a "replace with new" without a dialog. But X1 also added a "Paste Special" option (CTL > ALT > V) which brings up the dialog with all questions like we are accustomed to.
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you! 2011/01/11 13:34:54 (permalink)
It should just put the file where you tell it (without confirmation) just like every other DAW does.  Like codamedia just realized-- that option he mentioned does not remove the dialog (in 8.5 anyway). 
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you! 2011/01/11 13:39:16 (permalink)
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It should just put the file where you tell it (without confirmation) just like every other DAW does.  Like codamedia just realized-- that option he mentioned does not remove the dialog (in 8.5 anyway). 

I think, based on what Coda said, X1 is simply giving the user 2 approaches (the paste special being the 2nd one).   So I guess they let the user decide without the need for the dialogue - and that's good.
 
I gotta try to remember to come back to this thread later tonight when I'm at my DAW.   Last night I got carried away on a new track I started, so I didn't follow up.  Maybe I'll put a sticky note up to remind me tonight lol
 
 

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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you! 2011/01/11 13:42:54 (permalink)
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It should just put the file where you tell it (without confirmation) just like every other DAW does.  Like codamedia just realized-- that option he mentioned does not remove the dialog (in 8.5 anyway). 

This entire copy/paste has never been an issue with me since it worked the way I wanted it to, but I can see the frustration. The "Ask Every Time" in 8.5 appears to be for the "drag / drop" not the paste. It does work for that.
 
X1 works the same way, but now the default for "CTL V" is a simple paste without dialog. CTL > ALT > V does it the old way! All good for me, I'll love the quick method when I have confidence in where I am dropping the copy, but still have quick access to the way I am used to.
 
Love it!

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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you! 2011/01/11 13:48:00 (permalink)
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It should just put the file where you tell it (without confirmation) just like every other DAW does.  Like codamedia just realized-- that option he mentioned does not remove the dialog (in 8.5 anyway). 

This entire copy/paste has never been an issue with me since it worked the way I wanted it to, but I can see the frustration. The "Ask Every Time" in 8.5 appears to be for the "drag / drop" not the paste. It does work for that.
 
X1 works the same way, but now the default for "CTL V" is a simple paste without dialog. CTL > ALT > V does it the old way! All good for me, I'll love the quick method when I have confidence in where I am dropping the copy, but still have quick access to the way I am used to.
 
Love it!


there is no reason for you to continue to waste bandwidth telling us whatever Sonar does is perfect and you love it. The fact is that C/P in Sonar is way to complicated and doesn't work as it should. The good news is that if Cake fixed it, you would still love it because Sonar did it and I could love it because it works properly.
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you! 2011/01/11 13:50:13 (permalink)
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It should just put the file where you tell it (without confirmation) just like every other DAW does.  Like codamedia just realized-- that option he mentioned does not remove the dialog (in 8.5 anyway). 

This entire copy/paste has never been an issue with me since it worked the way I wanted it to, but I can see the frustration. The "Ask Every Time" in 8.5 appears to be for the "drag / drop" not the paste. It does work for that.

X1 works the same way, but now the default for "CTL V" is a simple paste without dialog. CTL > ALT > V does it the old way! All good for me, I'll love the quick method when I have confidence in where I am dropping the copy, but still have quick access to the way I am used to.

Love it!


there is no reason for you to continue to waste bandwidth telling us whatever Sonar does is perfect and you love it. The fact is that C/P in Sonar is way to complicated and doesn't work as it should. The good news is that if Cake fixed it, you would still love it because Sonar did it and I could love it because it works properly.

Ya know, it's one thing to disagree or use something a different way ... but what's wrong with others stating what works for them and what they like?   Why is that less valid than you making your points?
 
 

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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you! 2011/01/11 13:53:14 (permalink)
I also preferred the previous way of having the option of the amount of 'pastes' I wanted, and whether to blend or replace etc.  I often copy one measure and need to instantly paste, say, 4, 8 or16 of them so that default was quicker.  Still, as long as it's in Paste Special, no biggie.  On Ctrl+C it doesn't now ask whether to copy key/meter changes and stuff but it always seemed inconsistent as to whether it actually did that anyway.
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you! 2011/01/11 13:54:53 (permalink)
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Ya know, it's one thing to disagree or use something a different way ... but what's wrong with others stating what works for them and what they like?   Why is that less valid than you making your points?
 
 
Nothing in most cases, but in this case the facts are the facts. We know he loves Sonar and it is perfect. It is a valid opinion, but it really never helps a conversation for it to be repeated over and over. If people didn't think there was a problem, we would bother to discuss it, because we know what happens here when someone says something in Sonar might not be as good as it could be.


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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you! 2011/01/11 13:59:05 (permalink)
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Ya know, it's one thing to disagree or use something a different way ... but what's wrong with others stating what works for them and what they like?   Why is that less valid than you making your points?


Nothing in most cases, but in this case the facts are the facts. We know he loves Sonar and it is perfect. It is a valid opinion, but it really never helps a conversation for it to be repeated over and over. If people didn't think there was a problem, we would bother to discuss it, because we know what happens here when someone says something in Sonar might not be as good as it could be.

Many people reiterate around here, and I think that is somewhat normal as there can be multiple conversations going on so a point made in one thread may need to be reiterated in another thread just because the content is related.
 
After all, you reiterate often the things you don't like.  So I don't really see why one position is more valid than the other.
 
But I doubt this will change anything just by pointing that out to you

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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you! 2011/01/11 14:02:53 (permalink)
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Ya know, it's one thing to disagree or use something a different way ... but what's wrong with others stating what works for them and what they like?   Why is that less valid than you making your points?


Nothing in most cases, but in this case the facts are the facts. We know he loves Sonar and it is perfect. It is a valid opinion, but it really never helps a conversation for it to be repeated over and over. If people didn't think there was a problem, we would bother to discuss it, because we know what happens here when someone says something in Sonar might not be as good as it could be.

Many people reiterate around here, and I think that is somewhat normal as there can be multiple conversations going on so a point made in one thread may need to be reiterated in another thread just because the content is related.
 
After all, you reiterate often the things you don't like.  So I don't really see why one position is more valid than the other.
 
But I doubt this will change anything just by pointing that out to you


How do things get fixed if they are not talked about? Talking about perfect doesn't make things more perfect. I never said one position was more valid than another, just that one is a waste of bandwidth because it can produce no further action.
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you! 2011/01/11 14:12:08 (permalink)
ba_midi

 

BUT, when there is no existing data that may be overwritten (or combined), turning off the following option should do the trick - again from the reference guide:
 
6. Options > Global and open the Editing tab, or right-click in the Clips pane and select Drag &
Drop Options from the menu that appears), and click OK


Thank you.  There it is!

However with "Ask every time" deselected and trying to paste something into a new blank track, it nevertheless asks me twice what to do -- once when copying and again when pasting. Not quite the expected effect.  I'll go back to not thinking about it any more.

Thanks again.

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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you! 2011/01/11 14:16:31 (permalink)
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Ya know, it's one thing to disagree or use something a different way ... but what's wrong with others stating what works for them and what they like?   Why is that less valid than you making your points?


Nothing in most cases, but in this case the facts are the facts. We know he loves Sonar and it is perfect. It is a valid opinion, but it really never helps a conversation for it to be repeated over and over. If people didn't think there was a problem, we would bother to discuss it, because we know what happens here when someone says something in Sonar might not be as good as it could be.

Many people reiterate around here, and I think that is somewhat normal as there can be multiple conversations going on so a point made in one thread may need to be reiterated in another thread just because the content is related.

After all, you reiterate often the things you don't like.  So I don't really see why one position is more valid than the other.

But I doubt this will change anything just by pointing that out to you


How do things get fixed if they are not talked about? Talking about perfect doesn't make things more perfect. I never said one position was more valid than another, just that one is a waste of bandwidth because it can produce no further action.

In general I agree that forums serve a good purpose by allowing for the discussion of problems.   To decide what is a waste of bandwidth seems a bit harsh and judgemental for no purpose.
 
I'm not jealous of those who really like X1 and think it's great.  As you probably know, I'm not using it now (after weeks of heavily using it) until there are some bug fixes.  But I don't resent those who have a different feeling/use for it.  Why should I mind if someone feels good about the tool they are using?
 
As for bandwidth -- is there some limit you would like to see imposed on people ?   You do have the option to skip a message or ignore a user... that is your choice.   But to make a comment about another person wasting bandwidth is truly judgemental, in my opinion.
 
I think it'd be more productive if we just debate the issues (good or bad) and not make judgements on each other.
 
I'm guilty of it at times too, but I try to remind myself after I do so that it's not a good thing and tell myself to do better next time.
 
I don't think you waste bandwidth by ****ing about what you don't like -- and I don't think anyone in this thread is wasting bandwidth stating what they like.   Even if they overstate it, it's not helpful to judge them in such a way -- or you.  Debate, sure.  Discuss, sure.  Have opposing views, sure.   But there's no harm being done when it's done in a civil way.
 
I guess I just don't get that judgemental approach.  And when I do it, I would hope someone calls me out on it too.
 
But you be you -- I'll be me.  And the world will be what it is, I suppose.
 
 

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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you! 2011/01/11 15:15:17 (permalink)
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It should just put the file where you tell it (without confirmation) just like every other DAW does.  Like codamedia just realized-- that option he mentioned does not remove the dialog (in 8.5 anyway). 

This entire copy/paste has never been an issue with me since it worked the way I wanted it to, but I can see the frustration. The "Ask Every Time" in 8.5 appears to be for the "drag / drop" not the paste. It does work for that.

X1 works the same way, but now the default for "CTL V" is a simple paste without dialog. CTL > ALT > V does it the old way! All good for me, I'll love the quick method when I have confidence in where I am dropping the copy, but still have quick access to the way I am used to.

Love it!


there is no reason for you to continue to waste bandwidth telling us whatever Sonar does is perfect and you love it. The fact is that C/P in Sonar is way to complicated and doesn't work as it should. The good news is that if Cake fixed it, you would still love it because Sonar did it and I could love it because it works properly.
 
Why is this getting personal 10Ten? I don't believe that post was toward you in any way?

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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you! 2011/01/11 15:26:15 (permalink)
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Ya know, it's one thing to disagree or use something a different way ... but what's wrong with others stating what works for them and what they like?   Why is that less valid than you making your points?


Nothing in most cases, but in this case the facts are the facts. We know he loves Sonar and it is perfect. It is a valid opinion, but it really never helps a conversation for it to be repeated over and over. If people didn't think there was a problem, we would bother to discuss it, because we know what happens here when someone says something in Sonar might not be as good as it could be.

Many people reiterate around here, and I think that is somewhat normal as there can be multiple conversations going on so a point made in one thread may need to be reiterated in another thread just because the content is related.

After all, you reiterate often the things you don't like.  So I don't really see why one position is more valid than the other.

But I doubt this will change anything just by pointing that out to you


How do things get fixed if they are not talked about? Talking about perfect doesn't make things more perfect. I never said one position was more valid than another, just that one is a waste of bandwidth because it can produce no further action.
So my opinion is only valid if I keep it to myself? This was not a post about loving Sonar X1 - it was a post about liking the 2 options for Cut/Paste. Sorry it offended you so much!
 
I'm sorry if you find C/P so complicated and that I don't. It's not a case of "I'm right / your wrong" or vice-versa! It's simply a difference of workflow and opinion! Let's just agree to disagree and move on!

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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you! 2011/01/11 16:43:28 (permalink)
In good faith, and in the spirit of good will, I have to admit I was wrong.

I'm at my DAW now, and it seems one cannot turn off the paste option dialogue when copying clips.   That only applies to drag and drop.

So I was terribly mistaken, and apologize for that.   I guess because I use the ctrl-drag to copy often I had not thought it through that the actual "paste" command always brings up that dialogue.

So again I apologize to everyone.

And I do think it's good X1 has a better approach to that function (ie, the Paste Special command).



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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you! 2011/01/11 19:45:40 (permalink)
And I've re-hotkeyed the default command in X1 to bring up the "Paste Special" dialog...cause I likes it that way;-)

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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you! 2011/01/11 22:21:11 (permalink)
You can simply highlight and split the clip part that you want to copy .....make sure the "SNAP TO"  tool is set to move by...Whole Measure.
Now while holding down the control button ..drag  the highlighted clip or clips section to the measure and track you want it on..do not release the control key until the clip or clips are in place.....if you mess up press undo..and try it again til you get it right.....and voila..the new clip or clips are copied to the new measure or where ever you want them placed. You can do this with individual clips or even whole sections of songs, no confirmation required. I've been doing it this way since forever~

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