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Copy! Paste! Thank you!
One of my pet peeves with sonar forever is that stupid copy dialog that would come up when I hit control-C and the partner dialog that would come up when I hit control-V. In fact, I remember discussion back around sonar 6 where folks were complaining about it. If I just wanted to do a quick copy/paste it was always -
- select
- control-C
- enter
- move to where I want the copy placed
-control-V
- enter
- finetune placement
Now I just -
-select
-control-C
-control-V
-move the copy where I want it
The old functionality is still there, but this is a time saver for me.
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/10 16:20:25
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Yes, it is a huge time saver!
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/10 16:23:14
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copy/paste is horrible in Sonar and has been forever.
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/10 17:18:40
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mrfitz
One of my pet peeves with sonar forever is that stupid copy dialog that would come up when I hit control-C and the partner dialog that would come up when I hit control-V. In fact, I remember discussion back around sonar 6 where folks were complaining about it. If I just wanted to do a quick copy/paste it was always -
- select
- control-C
- enter
- move to where I want the copy placed
-control-V
- enter
- finetune placement
Now I just -
-select
-control-C
-control-V
-move the copy where I want it
The old functionality is still there, but this is a time saver for me.
One of my pet peeves is with those who don't spend time learning what is and isn't available in a program they use often. For example: this option has existed for as long as I can remember. It is an option as to whether Sonar "asks you every time" or not. You obviously weren't aware of that. Or didn't know how to change the setting. X1 may default to having it NOT ask you, but the option to have it ask or not is still there and has been for many years. Had you known about the option sooner, think of all those times that instead of being annoyed you could have been working the way you now think is something new and good. ;) I'm not trying to be disrespectful, however this is a very good example of why people recommend reading manuals.
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/10 17:35:06
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ba_midi
One of my pet peeves is with those who don't spend time learning what is and isn't available in a program they use often.
For example: this option has existed for as long as I can remember. It is an option as to whether Sonar "asks you every time" or not. You obviously weren't aware of that. Or didn't know how to change the setting.
X1 may default to having it NOT ask you, but the option to have it ask or not is still there and has been for many years.
Had you known about the option sooner, think of all those times that instead of being annoyed you could have been working the way you now think is something new and good.
;)
I'm not trying to be disrespectful, however this is a very good example of why people recommend reading manuals.
So by saying something exists, but not saying where, you are being disrespectful. Where is it? What is the option called? To what purpose was your comment if not to take a slap at me?
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/10 17:39:24
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mrfitz
ba_midi
One of my pet peeves is with those who don't spend time learning what is and isn't available in a program they use often.
For example: this option has existed for as long as I can remember. It is an option as to whether Sonar "asks you every time" or not. You obviously weren't aware of that. Or didn't know how to change the setting.
X1 may default to having it NOT ask you, but the option to have it ask or not is still there and has been for many years.
Had you known about the option sooner, think of all those times that instead of being annoyed you could have been working the way you now think is something new and good.
;)
I'm not trying to be disrespectful, however this is a very good example of why people recommend reading manuals.
So by saying something exists, but not saying where, you are being disrespectful. Where is it? What is the option called? To what purpose was your comment if not to take a slap at me?
Welcome to the X1 forum.
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/10 17:42:39
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lol.
but ba_midi is correct..
In the paste-dialog there's an option field "ask every time..."
I can't remember ever having to press enter while doing copy/paste stuff.. and that's one of the things I've done quite frequent..
check that dialog box once again...
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/10 17:44:17
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ba_midi
One of my pet peeves is with those who don't spend time learning what is and isn't available in a program they use often.
For example: this option has existed for as long as I can remember. It is an option as to whether Sonar "asks you every time" or not. You obviously weren't aware of that. Or didn't know how to change the setting.
X1 may default to having it NOT ask you, but the option to have it ask or not is still there and has been for many years.
Had you known about the option sooner, think of all those times that instead of being annoyed you could have been working the way you now think is something new and good.
;)
I'm not trying to be disrespectful, however this is a very good example of why people recommend reading manuals.
So by saying something exists, but not saying where, you are being disrespectful. Where is it? What is the option called? To what purpose was your comment if not to take a slap at me?
I wasn't try to slap you at all. Make you think, perhaps, sure ...but not slap you. Sorry you feel that way. I'm not sitting at my DAW so I don't want to give you misinformation as to the exact steps. However, if for some reason you can't find the answer, I'll be happy to do so for you later this evening. Let me know.
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/10 17:45:59
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Frank Haas
lol.
but ba_midi is correct..
In the paste-dialog there's an option field "ask every time..."
I can't remember ever having to press enter while doing copy/paste stuff.. and that's one of the things I've done quite frequent..
check that dialog box once again...
I press enter every time i paste something because I can't trust Sonar to put it where I want to go.
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/10 17:53:17
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- finetune placement
for that you usually enable the snap to grid option.. my way of doing things was: -select -control-C -move the copy where I want it -control-V if that's still possible in X1, fine.. but it's been there before.. in previous versions of sonar you could config the paste options "blend old with new" "move old.." and that "dont ask me again".. so it would be quite interesting what X1 is doing by default.. I'll check tomorrow or just enable snap to grid (measure) [ctrl]+drag copy the clip whereever you want it to have..
post edited by Frank Haas - 2011/01/10 17:55:12
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/10 17:54:00
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Frank Haas
lol.
but ba_midi is correct..
In the paste-dialog there's an option field "ask every time..."
I can't remember ever having to press enter while doing copy/paste stuff.. and that's one of the things I've done quite frequent..
check that dialog box once again...
I press enter every time i paste something because I can't trust Sonar to put it where I want to go.
I actually prefer to have it ask me every time just so I can double check myself in the heat of the moment, so to speak. It's only and ENTER key away ;)
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/10 17:55:05
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Billy is correct.
I copy and paste all the time without the dialog box appearing. Make sure to uncheck "ask every time".
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/10 18:18:42
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ba_midi
10Ten
Frank Haas
lol.
but ba_midi is correct..
In the paste-dialog there's an option field "ask every time..."
I can't remember ever having to press enter while doing copy/paste stuff.. and that's one of the things I've done quite frequent..
check that dialog box once again...
I press enter every time i paste something because I can't trust Sonar to put it where I want to go.
I actually prefer to have it ask me every time just so I can double check myself in the heat of the moment, so to speak.
It's only and ENTER key away ;)
I would prefer not to do it, but Sonar will send the pasted clip just about anywhere. They really need to make the C/P thing better. AFAIK, Sonar is the only DAW that doesn't automatically assume that you are going to paste the clip on track you copied it from, and the only one that once you paste something on a track it doesn't continue to do it until you change the destination. It's a total waste of time.
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/10 18:30:29
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it doesn't continue to do it until you change the destination i just copied 3 times without changing the destination. maybe i'm not clear on what it is you are trying to accomplish.
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/10 18:35:07
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10Ten
ba_midi
10Ten
Frank Haas
lol.
but ba_midi is correct..
In the paste-dialog there's an option field "ask every time..."
I can't remember ever having to press enter while doing copy/paste stuff.. and that's one of the things I've done quite frequent..
check that dialog box once again...
I press enter every time i paste something because I can't trust Sonar to put it where I want to go.
I actually prefer to have it ask me every time just so I can double check myself in the heat of the moment, so to speak.
It's only and ENTER key away ;)
I would prefer not to do it, but Sonar will send the pasted clip just about anywhere. They really need to make the C/P thing better. AFAIK, Sonar is the only DAW that doesn't automatically assume that you are going to paste the clip on track you copied it from, and the only one that once you paste something on a track it doesn't continue to do it until you change the destination. It's a total waste of time.
I know you've often mentioned your dislike for the C/P function, though I don't have issues with it (usually). That's another reason I prefer it to ask everytime, so I can be sure where I'm putting things. But, it makes me wonder- is it possible you somehow have the "Broadcast Timestamp" setting check on? I just wonder if this has anythign to do with the issues you refer to? If not, then I scratch my head. The only thing I have trouble copying pasting in Sonar is bus envelopes and some other automation envelopes. But general clip copying/pasting always works fine for me personally. That's why I'm curious why it doesn't for you and I bring up the BW timestamp possibility.
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/10 18:38:44
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ba_midi
I know you've often mentioned your dislike for the C/P function, though I don't issues with it (usually). That's another reason I prefer it to ask everytime, so I can be sure where I'm putting things.
But, it makes me wonder- is it possible you somehow have the "Broadcast Timestamp" setting check on? I just wonder if this has anythign to do with the issues you refer to?
If not, then I scratch my head. The only thing I have trouble copying pasting in Sonar is bus envelopes and some other automation envelopes. But general clip copying/pasting always works fine for me personally.
That's why I'm curious why it doesn't for you and I bring up the BW timestamp possibility.
It's a workflow thing. When I copy a clip I expect Sonar to know when I copied the clip from and automatically paste it to that track. If I decide to paste it somewhere else I should be able to click where I want it to go (on the track lane) and it will continue until I change it again. There is entirely too much clicking where the Sonar C/P function is concerned. There are other things that suck about it as well, but I can live with them.
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/10 18:58:06
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ba_midi
I know you've often mentioned your dislike for the C/P function, though I don't issues with it (usually). That's another reason I prefer it to ask everytime, so I can be sure where I'm putting things.
But, it makes me wonder- is it possible you somehow have the "Broadcast Timestamp" setting check on? I just wonder if this has anythign to do with the issues you refer to?
If not, then I scratch my head. The only thing I have trouble copying pasting in Sonar is bus envelopes and some other automation envelopes. But general clip copying/pasting always works fine for me personally.
That's why I'm curious why it doesn't for you and I bring up the BW timestamp possibility.
It's a workflow thing. When I copy a clip I expect Sonar to know when I copied the clip from and automatically paste it to that track. If I decide to paste it somewhere else I should be able to click where I want it to go (on the track lane) and it will continue until I change it again. There is entirely too much clicking where the Sonar C/P function is concerned. There are other things that suck about it as well, but I can live with them.
Hmm, I THINK I may know what you mean now. There is ONE thing that is a main reason for my having "always ask" checked, and that is to insure the track I want the paste to land on is correct. This is especially true in this example: I select ALL, then select a range of time (let's say it's the chorus I want to copy/paste down the timeline). So then I hit CTRL C. Now I move the nowtime to where I want to paste. If I hit CTRL V it almost NEVER does it as I WANT it to because if I had a track "selected", Sonar thinks THAT's the "starting" track # where I want to paste. So if I was to continue, it would do the paste, but all the clips would start at the wrong track. I have to enter the correct "starting" track in the dialogue via the track chooser in the dialogue to insure it goes as I want. So that's the MAIN reason I don't uncheck "ask every time." ;) I suspect this is some of what you mean as well?
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/10 19:01:12
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ba_midi
There are other things that suck about it as well, but I can live with them.
I hope you don't mind me saying this, but would it possible for you to use words like "that I don't like" as opposed to "that suck" ? I only suggest that, not because I'm a language prude, but because I think some words create certain reactions and may sound extreme. IF any of us think we should help make this forum a little more civil, it helps if we all choose our words carefully - ya know what I mean? Just a suggestion, of course.
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/10 19:05:01
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In Sonar 8.5 the "don't ask me again" checkbox affected the way the pasted clips overlapped each other, it had nothing to do with removing the dialog. Glad to hear this was removed in X1.
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/10 19:19:37
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dontletmedrown
In Sonar 8.5 the "don't ask me again" checkbox affected the way the pasted clips overlapped each other, it had nothing to do with removing the dialog. Glad to hear this was removed in X1.
I think you're thinking about the "Blend" vs "Slide Over"? The "ask" question had nothing to do with overlapping clips. And it's not 'removed' from X1. It's still there for those who wish to use those settings.
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/10 19:44:46
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Indeed-- I think you misunderstood my prior post. What I'm saying is in 8.5 there is no way to remove the copy & paste dialogs. You say the option has been there forever, but it is not. I'm staring at it (8.5) right now. It always asks for confirmation twice (once for copy, once for paste).
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/10 19:49:00
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dontletmedrown
I think you misunderstood my prior post. What I'm saying is in 8.5 there is no way to remove the copy & paste dialogs. You say the option has been there forever, but it is not. I'm staring at it (8.5) right now. It always asks for confirmation twice (once for copy, once for paste).
ARggh, I'm not at my DAW until later, but if I remember, I'll come back to this thread and try to see what you mean. I seem to remember there was a right click option somewhere beyond that actual dialogue that comes up... but I'll try to get it later.
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/11 07:51:32
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To ba_midi:
Since you have made a fairly vigorous point of this, it would be kind if you would let us know where this setting is. I would be grateful to find it.
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/11 09:38:12
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Frank Haas
- finetune placement for that you usually enable the snap to grid option..
my way of doing things was:
It's easier for me to tell where a clip is than a line. So I paste the clip close to where I want it, sometimes I hit, sometimes I miss, I have old eyes that need better glasses. That's why I do it that way. I do use the snap to grid, if I don't hit where I want I finetune. Maybe my old eyes are why I could never find this phantom option to turn off the dialog in earlier versions of sonar. I'm really looking forward to another bamidi video showing us how to do that.
post edited by mrfitz - 2011/01/11 09:40:40
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/11 10:12:23
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Have you tried copy/pasting with smart tools? It's tons easier than what you described! Just select a clip or region, CTRL + Click and drag it any where and wha-la, instant copy....Probably my favorite feature of X1. Before selecting regions w/in a clip then copy/pasting was a real pain!
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/11 10:17:14
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superdan54
Have you tried copy/pasting with smart tools? It's tons easier than what you described! Just select a clip or region, CTRL + Click and drag it any where and wha-la, instant copy....Probably my favorite feature of X1. Before selecting regions w/in a clip then copy/pasting was a real pain!
Sonar has always done that as do most Windows programs.
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/11 10:18:35
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Well, I'm like Billy, I prefer to have the dialog pop up. This is because it lets me define exactly what and how (and how many) I'm going to paste. But I'm pretty sure he's right that the ability to "turn of" the dialog has been there forever. In X1 I've been getting this dialog "intermittently". Mostly it pops up...but sometimes it doesn't. That's just ol X1 joshin me again. It enjoys it.
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/11 12:36:17
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/11 13:02:06
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lallis
To ba_midi:
Since you have made a fairly vigorous point of this, it would be kind if you would let us know where this setting is. I would be grateful to find it.
I was referring to 8.5.3 options which may be different than X1. But in 8.5.3, open the reference guide and review pages 304 through 309 and you'll see all the details about this. It should be noted that if there is "existing" data in the time space that data will be copied to, the dialogue will always open to ask how you want to handle the copied data with the existing data. But here's a snippet: Moving and Copying Clips You can copy or move clips using drag-and-drop editing or the Cut, Copy, and Paste commands. If you copy or move clips into tracks that contain existing material, you need to let SONAR know how to combine the two.
The point of the above is that if you turn off the drag/drop options in 8.x or the copy dialogue in 8.x, you will still get one dialogue out of necessity (if there is existing data in the paste area). IOW, this is required.
BUT, when there is no existing data that may be overwritten (or combined), turning off the following option should do the trick - again from the reference guide:
6. If necessary, choose the options you want from the Drag and Drop Options dialog box (use Options > Global and open the Editing tab, or right-click in the Clips pane and select Drag & Drop Options from the menu that appears), and click OK
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Re:Copy! Paste! Thank you!
2011/01/11 13:05:51
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dontletmedrown
Indeed-- I think you misunderstood my prior post. What I'm saying is in 8.5 there is no way to remove the copy & paste dialogs. You say the option has been there forever, but it is not. I'm staring at it (8.5) right now. It always asks for confirmation twice (once for copy, once for paste).
I'm not sure what you mean. If you turn off the "ask every time" option, AND if the copy/paste will not be pasted to an area where data already exists, I don't see the double confirmation happen.
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