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Who spoke to the people 17,000 years ago in France? About their chops? They were pork chops BTW...

hahaha! No ... 

quantumeffect


OK ... this is just for fun.

http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=12002945&q=hi&newref=1

Nice, but see even silly songs work (which many have categorized current mainstream music) if they have a sense of going somewhere! Deep and Meaningful to be honest is overrated.


Speaking of which, it may be beneficial for the OP to get together with some people and just jam. Nothing wrong with that. Some very good tunes musically and lyrically arise from absolute tom foolery; yet, there's a difference between fooling around, but knowing what you're doing (though folks can still tell) vs, not knowing what you're doing. QE, you knew what you had in mind.

quantumeffect

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quantumeffect


OK ... this is just for fun.

http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=12002945&q=hi&newref=1

Nice, but see even silly songs work (which many have categorized current mainstream music) if they have a sense of going somewhere! Deep and Meaningful to be honest is overrated.


Speaking of which, it may be beneficial for the OP to get together with some people and just jam. Nothing wrong with that. Some very good tunes musically and lyrically arise from absolute tom foolery; yet, there's a difference between fooling around, but knowing what you're doing (though folks can still tell) vs, not knowing what you're doing. QE, you knew what you had in mind.

It was actually quite a bit of work and a little tricky.  Starting with the OP’s original piece, I was unable to find a meter or tempo so, I used a combination of audio snap and slip editing to force the thing fit into a 4/4 framework at a given tempo.

Once I lined up all of the vocal “sounds” so they rhythmically made sense in 4/4 … I just added drums.

I didn't mean as if you "pushed a button and poof!" I'm sure it took a bit of effort, but (to the OP) do you see that this is what most are getting at. This may not be how you want, but hopefully, it'll start you on your path.


I think the issue is, trying to give the collaborator less to do. This is said so vehemently (in a good way) regarding production. Don't do so much to bind the MEs hands, but don't do so little that the ME has no idea what you want. (Send him or her a blueprint of the desired sound. Obviously, it's not gonna sound like your reference as the ME has better ears, but preferably you want things to sound better (as we all know things could be worse. I'm sure few folks here can attest to such experiences)


My point is, I think collaborating might be the best option for the OP at this point - not brushing off his effort; I just think he jumped the gun.

I think you did a great job with what you had to work with!

Do do do doot dooooo
Do do do doot dooooo

MattMVS7


I guess I'm just having a hard time understanding how others perceive my song.  I'm glad that quantumeffect at least had fun doing something (and that's what this topic is about--it is completely open and for the select few that actually choose to use their spare time and wish to make a song with this and/or work with me in getting the desired song--though as stated by others here, this just might not be possible and will have to pay or produce this myself years later).  And if it happens to be the incorrect song made like the one above, you can decide from there if this just isn't worth your time or is something to actually be perceived in a positive way.

But now I shared my song with a friend, he thought it was catchy and hummed it exactly as it was (he is a skilled singer, so the song was sung as it was with the fixed flaws).  And that's what the song is--what is already there I posted up.  There is no splitting up into separate pieces or such modifications (like how it sung "acholly jolly mustaveel" with a slowed tempo on "mustaveel," then there was a pause and then it sung the rest of the part).  The song is supposed to be what it is (just with the fixed flaws) and is supposed to have the feel of an epic movie trailer with a positive opening/closing heroic tune with it (like a hero who wishes to make others happy while at the same time intense in fighting villans).

Now if you forget everything else that's in my song and just focus on one part (the action part that plays after you first hear this happy tune).  And then from there create a tune (a string) that goes along with that action piece that plays, that happy tune would be it (it's again, my singing flaws making it seem completely off).  That string is added in with the action piece near the end of the song to indicate that the action (in this case, a movie trailer) has the feel of nearing the end of the trailer (when the action is most intense near the end, after which leading into a calm view of the movie's title/when it will be released).  I really do hear this action piece and that tune playing together perfectly in both technical terms and feel in my mind.

What I'm getting is that you have a picture, but can't get it on paper? That's what experimenting is for: to iron out all what the flaws and warts. Work on one part a time. What's happening is analyzing it before writing it instead of just putting and seeing if it works. I also think you're letting the lofty idea get in the way. (ie: This has to definitely be the end result) No, it does not.


And you're think way too big! Nothing wrong it that, but that causes unnecessary stress. I doubt music either listening or creating it was meant to be stressful. If you can't think of anything else, leave and come back (although, I bet you've had this happen. You hear the idea once you leave, but it escapes yo when you come back)


I know it's easy to ask oneself: "How can I make this piece bigger?" OTOH, you ignore the smaller pieces that make up what you currently have. In this case, (as this isn't a sight-reading course), you can and should look back as that can help jog your memory. Do jot things down though while still looking at things in fragments (ie: What you've done, what you doing, what you wanna do next). 


Another thing I've experienced is getting too focused on the notes themselves while there are other aspects that can help determine what they'll be.


A simple broken chord (aka arpeggio). IMO, it's best to figure out the rhythm/pulse, first. Then, worry about the melodic flow (notes) IOW, decide on the rhythm using a single note. If this rhythm is satisfactory or what you heard, then manipulate the remaining notes.


You have to crawl, before you can walk. But get rid of the descriptions as they will write themselves as you write the song. Deciding on its arrangement. 

It's frequently said on the iBM forums that I am apart of, is that in order for one to write a song, one must listen to/study songs in general. How does a baby learn to clap its hands? By studying how you are accomplishing this or other people it may be watching and trying to mimic.

Film composers (since this is what you liken your track to) or just in the general sense, while having alot to think about (moreso than the performer/listener) - needn't stress him/herself and wouldn't if the composition was done in small fragments. Heck, take the fragments and make them into their own songs. I don't mean quite like sonata form (Beet, Haydn, Mozart), but even the entirely of those pieces are fragmented (ie: Beet's No. 5 is divided into four movements, but there's still the overall main idea usually re-occurring in the latter segments).

That's also what you need to do. Develop some kind of form. What will this part be? What was that part? Will I reuse some part? Will I add new ones? Will they connect to previous parts? How will they sound in context to the parts already established? Whether these are arrangements or composition from scratch, these questions need to be asked and answered by the composer or its aid if assisted.

There's so much that goes into this and this could be just the relatively simple pieces, but certainly as they get more and more elaborate. Many if not, everyone wishes he or she could just push the "easy" button, unfortunately; yet, doing such would ruin the fun- of course, one needs to have the right attitude about it. since the problem isn't the problem, but one's attitude towards it.

I don't have the time or inclination to do anything with this......

However, Dave (aka Quantumeffect)  did the hard work already. 

Now... auto tune the vox, throw down a bass groove, some sampled strings and  a wawa guitar, and you would have something...... 

perhaps not what the OP hears in his head as "powerful" but something none the less.


I can not count the times when I have started writing something I hear in my head, and as I go through the process of getting it out of my head and down to paper or the DAW..... the end result is NOTHING like what I heard BUT..... it still ends up being an enjoyable song and writing experience. 

This thread is gettin on my nerve 

http://youtu.be/tMwhl4IrPNc

That's it bro.

Scottytunes


Do do do doot dooooo
Do do do doot dooooo

See? Catchy, no?

I really want to take these tracks and wrap a song around them meme style but I don't have the time or patience at the moment. I feel bad laughing but good lord that is some funny stuff. I'm not convinced this is serious.

Well then he definitely needs to get a controller, a sequencer and learn how to use them because this is just not gonna work and will open him up to the scorn and ridicule of the internet. This is probably one of the nicest places you'll find on the tubes and he still got carved up. It's like asking someone to build you a house by handing them a model made out of toothpicks and used bubblegum. 

Harsh perhaps but true. Best of luck to ya, Challa walla guy.

Beepster


Well then he definitely needs to get a controller, a sequencer and learn how to use them because this is just not gonna work and will open him up to the scorn and ridicule of the internet. This is probably one of the nicest places you'll find on the tubes and he still got carved up. It's like asking someone to build you a house by handing them a model made out of toothpicks and used bubblegum. 

Harsh perhaps but true. Best of luck to ya, Challa walla guy.

Let's be fair here. Maybe it's his blueprint. Remember the sand/castle with GH's help analogy? However, if the blueprint is nothing but scribbles ... 

A child's drawing or painting could be this, but obviously people realize to not expect Picasso given hey know his paintings; however, it does the child's self-esteem wonders to let it know you liked it. (Go a step further and say it's better than what you could/would've done) I'm not saying the OP is childish by any means, but I'm also not telling the other posters to beat around the bush either.


What I am saying is that he should have at least done some tidying up/organization even if he doesn't fully know where to go with it. I agree that the carving into him wasn't helpful, but he choose to see it that way - at least initially.

And the uploaded track count. If one's gonna put up 10-20 tracks with every minor improvement; you're better off sending it to someone who knows what they're doing and send it raw or nothing to hard boiled or baked in IMO). I had asked Danny this question earlier and he says it depends on the person you've put your song's hands in because everybody's different; however, there may be MEs that can handle every situation. Yet, they do advise you not to bind their hands (at least not so tightly) It's also why I proposed the feature to upload tracks (if only partial) to this forum (given that he seems to be self-conscience about what he creates)


Having said this, I wonder what his thoughts were on the user (I forget who) who made the effort to give the song some direction? Btw, I've gotten: "I didn't like what you did/That wasn't what I wanted" collaboration comments, too and that is okay.

Export the file as WAV preferably and import back into your DAW. Hopefully, you can keep the tracks separate before exporting (I have Audacity and well and haven't seen it)

Edot: I just found it. Here's how to Import it into your DAW:

1) Record each individual track (Make sure you mute the previous tracks, so they won't be picked up/recorded

2) Label each track (There's a dropdown up above the sample rate (44.1k by default) Once label, the titles should appears in the waveforms' headers.

3) File>Export Multiple ... 

Here, a dialog box will pop up.

Choose the desired file type to be exported. 
Choose the folder (Programs (x86/Audacity is the default).

There's a option to "Split files based on" - (if not grayed out (it is for me) you can, but don't have to check the box, but if you do, you'll have the choice to split them based on labels (whatever you named the tracks). I see no need for this (yet)

On the right side, it's asking about naming the files either by:

Label/Track Name (Recommend)
Numbering Before Track Name (if you have alot of tracks - ie: Exporting to make a CD)
Numbering after filename prefix (don't bother with this one)

The Tracks radio button should be lit automatically.

4) Click Export

5) Another dialog box will pop up, so you can essentially put in any other information (Title/Author/Artist/Year, etc.) Skip all of this (unless you don't want to) and click OK.

Repeat step 5.

6) Go into your DAW and import the files. (File>Import ...)

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