Could someone produce my song?

I think your request is above my paygrade.  Sorry.  Good luck!

A New Zelda Twilight Princess Main Theme I made:
 

 

 

 

 

 

 
The New Zelda Enemy Battle Song I made:
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's cool that you have things going on in your head that you want to get out. just keep on going forward with it, and learn something new every day.
 
Cheers

I think this guy is having a lend of us!!! I hope he isn't but I really think he is.  I don't even think the melodies are in the same key, also it seems there are rhythm sections mixed in with the melodies.  Look sorry to be harsh but some of us have been doing this for a very long time and even the ones who haven't have put the effort in to learning their craft, so sorry matt you will have to do the same.

Ben

Noone? Is that a word? (It is "no one", by the way, two words). As it stands I had already offered to take a bite out of it.. soooo (edited to remove angry response).

Granted, I haven't heard this song, yet, but I will say that judging from the above posts, I'm afraid I might end up agreeing. However, I do believe what appears to be the crux of your problem ...

You need to work on the composition/arrangement. Yes, I sound like a hypocrite because I do things this way, too; however, I'm one of those persons who puts everything on the table and then I start taking things off.

So, this is what I suggest:

Treat writing a song like yo would a book/essay, etc.) Just throw down every idea you can think of, then start trimming. The same thing goes with arranging.

Composition = what plays what - Arrangement of Composition = what plays what and when (there is much more to both elements, but these are the main factors.)

This song (Composition) will have 20 tracks. Its arrangement: 10 of them will play at the beginning, the other 10 will play in the middle. All 20 will play at the end. (That's an example).

Work on this part first before you start to mix/produce either by yourself or someone else does it. How will they know what to do if you don't? It's okay, to not know what to do and ask questions on how to mold or shape it, but you need an idea.

I can't (I can, but he and I know better) give GuitarHacker a huge pile of sand and tell him to build Disneyland's castle as he'll have no idea what it looks like (I know he does) and most certainly if I have no idea what it looks like (and I do) I don't know what it'll turn into, but odds are it'll be that same pile of sand as he'll probably say: "Are you freaking kidding me?!" (Even if I tell him to build that particular castle).

Yet, this could happen: He could start to build something and it partly looks like it or maybe he partially builds something else and I view it and go with his idea instead as my initial idea was quite lofty anyway. He'll probably gladly continue until the project is done or he'll collaborate with other - or even me and it'll end up totally different, but something I'm probably more satisfied with then I initially thought.

Therefore, what you need to iron out is, the composition, arrangement and worry about production later; however, there's nothing wrong with experiment in this area. Ultimately, figure out the initial idea and if it changes, so be it. Music adapts, so, too, should the composer/arranger doing such.

Again, it's fine if you don't know what you - I should say - what the music wants/needs want, but if you not willing to figure it out or listen when tells you. Music isn't stubborn - only if the people who creating it are.

Edit: I don't think the above posts meant to be or in fact, are, harmful as I've gotten critiques that I didn't like and took hard initially, but if you step back a bit. I did just that and to me, my pieces are better for it. Nothing wrong with constructive criticism.

Not picking on Ben, but he's very blunt with what he says, doesn't mean it's not helpful. The other thing to is, I hope you didn't come thinking that most if everyone would like it. (Not everybody likes a well-polished piece - in all areas). 

It wouldn't surprise me if you went back (after awhile) and go: "These guys were right! What the hell was I doing/thinking?" This question isn't one of disappointment moreso than it is seeing/hearing what you want to see/hear vs. what you actually see/hear. (This is displayed beyond belief when mixing/producing - ie: Falling in love with the initial mix). 

Composition and/or the arrangement of it isn't excluded either, but this is where trimming things down comes in which can be done very easily.

So, again, gather ideas, organizing them into something cohesive and coherrent (sp?); then do the production stuff later. What, when, then how (and perhaps why).

Don't build the castle before you purchase the sand. (Cart, before horse, you know?) 

Thank you, Rus W, your response is very helpful.  But it's really strange how I can hear the action and that other happy-like tune play together perfectly in my head (both in how they go together in technical terms as well as feel).  It's just that I sung the song with flaws which makes everything completely off.

MattMVS7


Thank you, Rus W, your response is very helpful.  But it's really strange how I can hear the action and that other happy-like tune play together perfectly in my head (both in how they go together in technical terms as well as feel).  It's just that I sung the song with flaws which makes everything completely off.

This is probably the composer's biggest problem. It's slightly easier for the arranger as s/he has something to look at/hear (the tune) and sculpt over, underneath and around it; yet the same process occurs to solve a similar problem; however, as the post above me states, seems as though you're being too hard on yourself and I think this was before you read the "not-so-nice" comments.


Here's the reason: You're forcing it! Like I said earlier, music isn't some mule you can just kick around or a dog you should kick or keep kicking when he's down. Take a break here and there, so your ears and mind are refreshed and open as this will help you work better.


I hear things all the time and the changes, too and why worry about flaws? Without them, you needn't sculpt and shape and that part should be fun. While the end result is desirable, that should be the only thing. I admire your focus and grit, but don't try so hard.


Pardon the expression, but "Don't rush perfection!" It takes years to cultivate a craft or if you have it already develop it further. Rome wasn't built in a day.

Now, you mentioned that when you sung the song, things were off. What things? Could it be that you were off and didn't realize? Also, what do you mean by off? Timing/Rhythm/Sounds? which leads to composition again.

Most don't like rigid rhythms (and this okay); however, rhythm wise, they certainly frown upon a chaotic sequence, Whether or not you are able to explain to me what is off, it's good that you know something is, but realize that when listening to music, sometimes it's off-its-rocker and there's nothing wrong with that.

Also I would advise re-working the composition/arrangement in tiny fragments. Like a musician practicing a song - play it in fragments. Scan those fragments to find what it is you don't like more importantly, what it is you do even if it's not what you initially hear. There's only one Amadeus Wolfgang Mozart - the rest of us can only attempt to emulate him (ie: pull full songs out of our heads), but unsuccessfully do so.

Music is bound by its creator (no pun intended), but it, too, has its own identity. Don't lose sight of this.

To paraphrase Costner from Field of Dreams: "If you're patient, it'll happen!" or if you prefer the clichè: "Good things come to those who wait!"

Patience is a virtue despite being a very easy thing to lose.

Matt im curious,did you record these samples with sonar ?
and if so,what version ?

Matt- Be prepared to pay if you want to hear this done right. I have worked with people that do not play an instrument and it is the hardest thing in the world to do. There is a real language barrier and for me to work in that situation would take a ton of money just to even get me interested. It can be done but to get good results then like others have said you need to offer someone some real cash for it.

Again as others have said, learn to play an instrument and learn the craft. That is the right way to do things in most people's eyes. There will be a few that disagree but it is the most rewarding way as well as the right way.

Good luck.

No Ben. I was not referring to you. You may be eccentric, but I have not seen any snobbery in you. Maybe the way he can start to learn the craft is exactly what he asked. And with some guidance, he might be able to achieve his goal. I am not saying it will be easy, but others telling him he is disgusting... and that he needs to pay... sickening. Just sickening.

I can only add that music is the language of the soul. It speaks from us in ways we can't control. It speaks of love and loss and things we never knew. Music describes the things we did and did not do? It's something unpredictable but in the end there's life? I hope you had the time of your life...

There are cave paintings in France,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lascaux

"These paintings are estimated to be 17,300 years old." Go back 30,000 years and there was another species of human? (Neanderthal) Think about it, the Pyramids are what? 4500 years ago? Give or take? They are standing, but crumbling... We go back much farther?

They had music? They did not have "farming..." They were hunter gatherers?  Music touches us in ways which other things cannot... I've written music? I hope it lives on beyond me, as the paintings in Lascaux.

Music can be described, yet has intangible qualities... You can describe a tree to someone who has never seen one, but how would you describe music to someone who has never heard it? I'm not sure you could...

Music can make you happy, sad, nostalgic, patriotic? It can evoke a wide range of emotion unlike almost anything else. As artists, we are very special people, very special indeed... Ancient, and yet, at the same time? New. What we do is magical... I have said this many times before, and I say it now? And I will say it again, "what we do is magical." You should all be very proud of your gifts and abilities regardless of what they are, we are all very special.

MattMVS7


This song I created is very powerful to me and came to me in a dream.  I really want this song made, but I don't have the knowledge or experience in music necessary to produce it myself.  I could only imitate it the best I could with my voice, although I have no experience in singing.

This song has a happy heroic tune that has an opening/closing feel to it (like the opening/ending of a commercial).  This opening happy tune leads into the powerful motivational intense action choir and is combined with the intense action near the end of the song (the action tune now feels like it's at its highest point nearing the end, as explained above, that happy tune also has a closing feel to it--taking the action tune to the end of the song where at the very end the happy tune plays by itself to end the song).  But when you hear the action and happy playing together, it may not seem like they go together in technical terms.  They really do go together, it's just my singing flaws making it seem off (I hear them perfectly playing together in my mind).

The instrument that plays the happy tune in my mind is a whiny type of instrument (whiny in a positive way).  I don't know what this instrument is.  The instrument that plays the intense action I think is some sort of orchestral instrument.

Now I have sung this happy tune the best I could get it.  However, when I combined the action part with it, it doesn't go together hardly at all because the action part was sung sort of flat with not much increase in pitch over time to match the happy part (that's my opinion on why I think so).

But I have also sung this happy part in a different way (practically the same as the previous version), and when combined with the intense action, I can actually see how they go together.

This version of the song has me singing the intense choir.  The choir is in another language with words that sound like "cholly jolly energy" which is just my take on what those words sound like, but are actually not those words.

http://soundcloud.com/mat...w-zelda-opening-song-1

Now this version of the song is the sung instrumentation with the happy tune sung most accurate (though it doesn't seem to go with the intense action):

http://soundcloud.com/mattmvs7/the-new-zelda-ope

And although the instrument does sound whiny, it does not sound like how it was portrayed in that song.

And here's this version of the song with that happy tune sung not as accurate, but seems to go with the intense action.  I'm showing you this version of the song as well because perhaps you will also see how they are supposed to go together, and based off of knowing that, produce the song how it should be.

http://soundcloud.com/mat...new-zelda-opening-song

And this song I made is not just random stuff put together--it's an actual song. When the opening happy tune leads into the action and the action is over, the happy tune plays again to close the action and open up into the other part of the action.


I would really appreciate it if someone could produce this song for me.  I have made many more songs (sung) on my SoundCloud page, but this is the one and only best song I absolutely want to be produced.  If someone could produce this, I would be grateful.  Thank you.

LMFAO!!!!




Man those links is funny .....bad ...how could you not laugh 


Far out funny stuff .... If its a joke it's funny ....if its not a joke ...it's still funny ...win win 








This is funnier than Bapu going down the water slide at the bachelor party singing splish splash I was taking a bath 


Best thread ever!!!

In this I agree with you Robby. But, I did listen, and I could make out what he was trying to sing. But more importantly, its not terribly difficult to trial and error it out until he finds something to bring him closer to what he hears in his head.

foxwolfen


In this I agree with you Robby. But, I did listen, and I could make out what he was trying to sing. But more importantly, its not terribly difficult to trial and error it out until he finds something to bring him closer to what he hears in his head.

yes,its called practice,something in the old day that we used to do before someone would agree to make songs out of our hums.
 
so mooch calls it bad and i call it discusting but you wont say anything to him will you ?
there you go again picking and choosing who you decide to put down.
not because of what someone says,but who the person is who says it.
 
your the one who should be ashamed shad.
Hey look...theres another person who suggests that hes going to have to pay to have it done...
so what are you going to say to that person ?
nothing,thats what your going to do,nothing.but yet youll even have the gall to print my name on this page.
well so will i....
 
your just like everyone else said you were in the coffee house..your shallow shad.not standing up for what is right but picking out one person to make an example out of, to make yourself look like a hero.
 
still curious though why Matt hasnt answered us what he used to record those samples with.
was it sonar sonar matt ?
it sound like you did an overdub,is that correct?
 
this is the thing matt,if you came on this forum and asked for some direction...
i probably would have laughed a little inside but respected the fact you were looking for help and how to get started in the field.
but to throw around.."can someone produce this song for me"
is ignorant and i know a thing or two about being ignorant..so i should know.
see for me,to only record the music and vocals of my songs,it takes a few days.
so when someone thinks its easy to just produce someones song,it offends me.
theres alot that goes into it....days..days..then mixing..days..mastering..days.
 
my ideas start very similar to your believe it or not.
i sometimes start with a mic and a blank track and hum out my songs as well..its a starting point right?
yes it is but that doesnt mean i would posting it asking someone to produce it for me.
if im going into something i know nothing about...well i do some homework first.
as you should have...as you should do now.
get your self a keyboard and learn  a little bit about playing an instrument.
because if you want to be a good songwritter your going to need to learn an instrument and not rely on others to take your ideas and turn them into something that is not what you want.
 
if i posted something like my scratch tracks on here(my hums)
i would expect to be laughed at,rediculed and belittled.
 
now maybe you can understand why people putting in hours everyday for 20+years find it strange when someone
asks so much of someones tallents.
just like i get paid 40.00 hour to do studio work.
just like ive paid 40.00 an hour here in boston to have studio musicians come in and do tracks for projects ive gone over my deadlines on.
you cant possibly,seriously think someone would take on your project free of charge.
unless your shad.
which he has indeed offered to help you.not everyone will do that.
i look forward to hearing the end result.