mumpcake
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Countrybaggers
I heard this term not long ago and I thought I should share it.
Basically a countrybagger is a rock or pop artist who decides to make a country song or album as a cheap ploy for cash or attention.
For example, "that single by Steven Tyler would be the worst example of countrybagging I have ever heard. "
or "Lionel Richie just released a country album. I would never expected him to be a countrybagger."
Obviously this is open to interpretation as to who qualifies or not. If you are a rock star with heavy folk influences, then you wouldn't be one. If you are a "hair metal" band from New Jersey that releases a country track, you just might be a countrybagger.
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/03 18:26:33
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/03 18:26:59
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The democratization of the music market makes all those narratives (and poly ticks) moot. You can be whatever you want to be with authenticity. I don't need to be Spanish to play guitar do I?
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/03 18:35:42
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2017/11/03 21:49:19
I can think of a few bluesbaggers who should have stuck with what they know.
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/03 20:25:44
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/11/03 21:57:03
There are some who would claim the entire Garth Brooks catalog qualifies for such distinction.
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/03 20:52:47
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eph221
The democratization of the music market makes all those narratives (and poly ticks) moot. You can be whatever you want to be with authenticity. I don't need to be Spanish to play guitar do I?
The thing about countrybagging is that it is precisely about inauthenticity. It's about doing something not because you love it, but because you want to cash in. Authenticity comes more from effort and understanding than anything else. There are a lot of pantheon-level rock players, for example, that think that just because they are talented in that field they can make an authentic blues album. More often than not, it ends up as an embarrassment. Or as James said above, "bluesbagging".
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/03 20:59:11
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Well, the critics be damned. It is a business, so why wouldn't they make money doing whatever they do? There are snobs everywhere and frankly, they're not fun to be around. They suck the oxygen out of the room during performances. Music is about letting go and letting the muse take over. If you can write a note, you can compose. Your compositions will be much better, and you'll be happier being *authentic* (maybe.) And the only way to do that is to study the genre. I agree, if some new yorker were throwing around Hank Williams name or dropping other names it'd be downright annoying. In the Jazz world everyone is a freakin pretender and a name dropper. It don't bother me a bit. Fake it till ya make it. :D:D
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/03 20:59:23
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There are some who would claim the entire Garth Brooks catalog qualifies for such distinction.
I'm not a fan, but I would not call him that. I might call him a grungebagger, though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Gaines
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/03 21:21:53
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After enduring the music business's forced steady diet of Divabaggers , Ga Ga Swift Perry , Shredbaggers fill in the blank , & Beatbangerbaggers Why Should I even Care ?  Kenny
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/03 21:52:31
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eph221
I don't need to be Spanish to play guitar do I?
It would certainly help  eph221
The democratization of the music market makes all those narratives (and poly ticks) moot. You can be whatever you want to be with authenticity.
Amen I'm gonna give it to you  Kenny
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/03 21:59:54
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I'm a banalbassbagger (purveyor of sub par sterile pastiche according to some).
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/03 22:00:44
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2017/11/04 02:46:37
But, I be consistently authentistical.
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/03 22:17:54
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/03 22:20:02
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Now that is def Sterile Pastiche is I ever heard it.
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/03 22:36:45
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2017/11/04 02:46:57
mumpcake
Basically a countrybagger is a rock or pop artist who decides to make a country song or album as a cheap ploy for cash or attention.
Isn't putting out a country album more an admission of failure than anything else.....? My girl left me.... My dog died...... My truck went and broke down on me...... I gosh darn broke my geetar when I slipped off the porch step...
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/04 00:19:45
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Country is the 3rd biggest market for music consumption in the US (just under rock and pop) so it's not surprising that non-country artists have tried to tap into it.
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/04 01:08:04
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2017/11/04 02:47:08
Also, shania twain is hot, no? was mark twain her father?
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/04 02:14:09
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I was all indignant when Johnny Cash did all those covers of modern songs at the end of his career. It just seemed like soooo disrespectful to the man (I mean... JC covering YOUR lame arse emo crud?!).
But really, JC's cover of Hurt is just shattering.
Oh crap. I just remembered. I played that track for my mom once and she literally started tearing up.
#sorrymom
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/04 04:32:51
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paulo
Isn't putting out a country album more an admission of failure than anything else.....?
My girl left me....
My dog died......
My truck went and broke down on me......
I gosh darn broke my geetar when I slipped off the porch step...
These days its more about drinking beer with girls in the back of pickup trucks.
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/05 03:34:47
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Beepster
I was all indignant when Johnny Cash did all those covers of modern songs at the end of his career. ...
But really, JC's cover of Hurt is just shattering.
Pretty sure Rick Rubin picked that for him.
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/05 11:09:07
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☄ Helpfulby jamesg1213 2017/11/05 11:17:02
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paulo
Isn't putting out a country album more an admission of failure than anything else.....?
My girl left me....
My dog died......
My truck went and broke down on me......
I gosh darn broke my geetar when I slipped off the porch step...
These days its more about drinking beer with girls in the back of pickup trucks.
Oh, so it's kinda like country music, the prequel, now..... The days before the girl left and the truck broke down.
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/05 16:08:55
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I always remember hearing that if you played a country song backwards, the girlfriend returns, the truck runs and the dog isn't dead.
Now, if you've heard one country song, you've heard them all.
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/05 17:22:23
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/05 17:51:31
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mumpcake
I'm not a fan, but I would not call him that.
I might call him a grungebagger, though:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Gaines
mumpcake
The thing about countrybagging is that it is precisely about inauthenticity. It's about doing something not because you love it, but because you want to cash in.
Exactly. GB was pretty proud of having sold more records than anybody except the Beatles but the blatantly bogus persona of 'Chris Gaines' was viewed as a pathetic attempt to increase the depth of his crossover market to beat that. Sure, it's only opinion and all props to anyone who can sell that many records but can't think of a single "authentic country artist" that would have even considered such a move.
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/05 20:50:55
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/05 20:53:38
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Sure, it's only opinion and all props to anyone who can sell that many records but can't think of a single "authentic country artist" that would have even considered such a move.
Does that mean that Taylor Swift is a preemptive countrybagger?
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/05 22:35:30
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jackson white
Sure, it's only opinion and all props to anyone who can sell that many records but can't think of a single "authentic country artist" that would have even considered such a move.
Does that mean that Taylor Swift is a preemptive countrybagger?
We;ve always known that music was a universal language. Now the walls are coming crashing down. All those ridiculous ratings and genre descriptions are passe. Oui, Oui.
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/05 22:52:19
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Required Comedic Country Listening  NSFW or even here for all I know Kenny
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/08 04:07:58
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Always considered Taylor Swift to be a pop singer-songwriter, but never country.
Wondering what that makes Ryan Adams since he covered an entire album of hers?
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Re: Countrybaggers
2017/11/08 04:48:16
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Well she was marketed as country, even though you or I might not have considered her as such.
As for Ryan Adams, I guess it comes down to what you think his motives were. Maybe it was a publicity stunt, maybe he lost a bet, maybe he was trying to work through writers block, maybe he was just following a crazy idea. Who knows, maybe he really does like her music.
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