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Re:Crackles and pops nightmare... a story of our time?
2012/11/23 04:49:56
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Well Freddie a great summery. I would add that now what are meant as tweaks as such are for the most part user preference. As you say you really don't need to do much on a modern OS unless you have special needs such as on a laptop.
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Re:Crackles and pops nightmare... a story of our time?
2012/11/23 06:19:01
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Freddie H But you know how it works on the internet. Suddenly everyone thought this koolaid were ment for everyone for every audiocard on any platform. Its because of that we have people disable AERO, graphic and other background service on Windows 7 like it was XP, think they will gain something? It's just the opposite. AERO need to be turned on to function correctly on Windows 7, 8. All graphic you see in Windows 7 and in all the programs & plugins are using the GPU on the graphic card only. So if you use the best quality on the graphic it doesn't matter it will cost you nothing on performance, it will only look better. But if you turned AERO off it will use the CPU instead like in XP behavior. On XP = all graphic are using the CPU instead. On XP, disable all graphic will lower the CPU use on XP platform = performance gain.. So to rap it up, Tweaks that worked on XP is not the same on VISTA, Windows 7 or Windows 8. More or less, there are no TWEAKS on Windows 7 and you don't need to. You can go ahead and disable the UAC. That's it! Good point on AERO. I learned something here! However, I wouldn't be as general as saying no tweaks for win7. Common sense issues like disabling anti-virus, auto updates, unnecessary services that do periodic things for nothing will always apply.
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Re:Crackles and pops nightmare... a story of our time?
2012/11/23 06:21:52
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It's still a good idea in Win 7 to do the basic stuff: 1. Set your computer's power for high performance If your computer is set to conserve energy, the CPU may not be running at full speed all of the time. This can have a detrimental effect on your computer's audio performance. To set your computer's power for high performance: - Go to: Start>Control Panel>Power Options - Choose "High Performance" - Click the "Change plan settings" button. - Make sure both power options are set to "Never" 2. Disable system sounds System sounds can interrupt audio. Ensure that they are disabled by doing the following: - Go to control panel and select "Sound" - Go to the sounds tab - Under sounds scheme, select "No sounds" - Click "Apply" then, "OK" 3. Enable DMA (Direct memory access) on each IDE channel This allows data to be transferred directly into the memory and can improve audio performance. To ensure that DMA is enabled: - Open device manager - Expand the IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers category then double click on each one of the IDE channels - Under the 'Advanced settings' tab, make sure the 'Enable DMA' box is ticked in device properties Please note: this only applies to some hardware and if this option is not available, you should not worry about completing this step. 4. Set processor scheduling to "Background services" This will improve the performance of your audio drivers on your computer. To do this: - In control panel select "system" - Go to "Advanced system settings" and then the "Performance" tab - Set processor scheduling as "Background Services" - Click "Apply" then "OK" 5. Disable Windows Firewall, anti-virus and spyware software These should all be disabled to ensure that no interferences occur during audio recording or playback and to ensure that maximum resources are available. To remain secure while your firewall and antivirus disabled, it is advisable to temporarily disconnect from any internet connections when working with audio.
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Re:Crackles and pops nightmare... a story of our time?
2012/11/23 06:26:55
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Freddie H That is the correct setting on any DAW or program or audiocard on Vista, Windows 7 or 8. Set to "background" comes from XP time and Matthias Carsten founder and owner of RME. RME find that it fixed some problems they had with some older driver and early chips on their cards on XP plattform. It was ONLY with those specific RME cards and ONLY on XP. Audiodriver is not a background task so it doesn't improve nothing. Set the processor scheduling to background task actually can cause dropouts and clicks instead on Windows 7. And there are still some respected people in the DAW world who continue to state that audio drivers are a background task. Sigh. Authority <> accuracy!
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Re:Crackles and pops nightmare... a story of our time?
2012/11/23 10:03:48
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KPerry Freddie H That is the correct setting on any DAW or program or audiocard on Vista, Windows 7 or 8. Set to "background" comes from XP time and Matthias Carsten founder and owner of RME. RME find that it fixed some problems they had with some older driver and early chips on their cards on XP plattform. It was ONLY with those specific RME cards and ONLY on XP. Audiodriver is not a background task so it doesn't improve nothing. Set the processor scheduling to background task actually can cause dropouts and clicks instead on Windows 7. And there are still some respected people in the DAW world who continue to state that audio drivers are a background task. Sigh. Authority <> accuracy! Respected or not wrong is still wrong. Can it be that they doesn't have any real knowledge? Ask someone that really know example Noel at Cakewalk or Mark Russinovich that design Windows 7 and 8 at Microsoft Tech.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Russinovich Mark Russinovich Microsoft Tech. http://www.presonus.com/community/Learn/Optimizing-Windows-Vista-and-Windows-7-for-Music-Production Visual Effects > Adjust for best Performance (this disables all Aero effects). = AERO Look at this page. There countless of wrong tweaks and wrong advice that work on XP only but not on Windows 7. They even suggest you to disable Aero too to make your computer work better and faster with audio? We that know at least a little about this; know that it is just a wrong advice. Next bad advice---> disable Virtual memory (or paging files). Wrong again. No it shall be ON and set to let windows manage it regardless how much RAM you have installed. On XP another story. Advice--->Defrag Often! No! If you use SSD disk that so many do on Windows disk you can even destroy it if you defrag just once. You can make your own conclusions..
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Re:Crackles and pops nightmare... a story of our time?
2012/11/23 10:06:28
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> 5. Disable Windows Firewall, anti-virus and spyware software. Absolutely not. Configure it so it is optimal so it does not get in the way of your DAW. Unless you are running a really low powered PC or you are permanently disconnected and never import anything, there is no need for this and it should not be done.
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Re:Crackles and pops nightmare... a story of our time?
2012/11/23 10:14:31
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CakeAlexS > 5. Disable Windows Firewall, anti-virus and spyware software. Absolutely not. Configure it so it is optimal so it does not get in the way of your DAW. Unless you are running a really low powered PC or you are permanently disconnected and never import anything, there is no need for this and it should not be done. Yes agree! Use this. Its FREE & safe and no bad impact on the computer. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/security-essentials-download
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Re:Crackles and pops nightmare... a story of our time?
2012/11/23 14:47:57
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This was a good thread !!
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Re:Crackles and pops nightmare... a story of our time?
2012/11/23 17:49:08
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"Just wanted to let you know that it is your Focusrite..." Lol. Focusrite rocks, even with the firewire interface . Stable as a rock here. However... That was after I went back to the 2.2 driver... Too many midi glitches with 3.0. FWIW...While I agree with what's already been discussed, when it comes to pops and clicks I always start with my audio interface driver - either update or re-install. V
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Re:Crackles and pops nightmare... a story of our time?
2012/11/24 07:44:19
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I've just run DPC and have no spikes at all. Latency hovers between 115 and 130. All drivers updated and all BIOS options (On-board Audio, Controllers, Lan) disabled. Only issue I had going to 64bit was Nvidia drivers. Had to use an older driver to avoid BSOD in 64bit. Studio PC only. Not for any other use. Still pops with 2ms Latency???? (Just 6 audio tracks with FX with 1 softsynth running - no issue on XP32bit) Win 7 64bit, Intel 2.66ghz Dualcore, Asus P5k, 8gb ram, Nvidia Geforce 7300, Sata OS HDD & Sata Audio HDD.
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Re:Crackles and pops nightmare... a story of our time?
2012/11/24 08:03:35
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quibb "Just wanted to let you know that it is your Focusrite..." Lol. Focusrite rocks, even with the firewire interface . Stable as a rock here. However... That was after I went back to the 2.2 driver... Too many midi glitches with 3.0. FWIW...While I agree with what's already been discussed, when it comes to pops and clicks I always start with my audio interface driver - either update or re-install. V Totally agree 2 Focusrite interfaces here- one uses Firewire, the other USB. Never had a single problem with either of them
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Re:Crackles and pops nightmare... a story of our time?
2012/11/24 12:17:01
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Colin, I'm going to be a pain here, but didn't Noel once state that setting the processor scheduling to background services was no longer necessary with W7 ? I have mine unchecked and am running a with zero problems. Cheers, Jerry
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Re:Crackles and pops nightmare... a story of our time?
2012/11/26 08:48:38
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guylemec I have reverted to non-legacy drivers and all seems ok; I have emailed Focusrite for their advice on which way I should go in this matter. Reply from Focusrite: The legacy FireWire drivers were only required for MixControl 2.4. Now that MixControl 3.0 is released, this should not be necessary. If you can connect using the standard FireWire driver, then please use it, as MixControl 3.0 is not designed for use with the legacy driver.
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Re:Crackles and pops nightmare... a story of our time?
2012/11/26 09:29:05
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joakes Colin, I'm going to be a pain here, but didn't Noel once state that setting the processor scheduling to background services was no longer necessary with W7 ? I have mine unchecked and am running a with zero problems. Cheers, Jerry You might be right Jerry - this was as communicated to me by Focusrite As you say, if you don't have any problems, leave well alone
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Re:Crackles and pops nightmare... a story of our time?
2012/11/26 14:31:35
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John Well Freddie a great summery. I would add that now what are meant as tweaks as such are for the most part user preference. As you say you really don't need to do much on a modern OS unless you have special needs such as on a laptop. Thanks my friend!
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Re:Crackles and pops nightmare... a story of our time?
2012/11/26 14:38:48
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The process scheduler algorithm- Once for all I will attempt to set this straight! It shall be set to PROGRAM in Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8 and later... In XP and NT the kernel may change the priority level of a thread depending on its I/O and CPU usage and whether it is interactive (i.e. accepts and responds to input from humans), raising the priority of interactive and I/O bounded processes and lowering that of CPU bound processes, to increase the responsiveness of interactive applications. The scheduler was modified in Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8 to use the cyckle counter register of modern processors to keep track of exactly how many CPU cycles a thread has executed, rather than just using an interval-timer interrupt routine. Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8 also uses a priority scheduler for the I/O queue so that disk defragmenters and other such programs don't interfere with foreground operations. Dispatch lock has also been fixed that improve multitasking and multimedia in Windows 7 and later... But that is another story.
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Re:Crackles and pops nightmare... a story of our time?
2012/11/26 14:47:54
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Re:Crackles and pops nightmare... a story of our time?
2012/11/26 16:16:23
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So guylemec, after all that, Focusrite says DON'T use the legacy driver? OK.
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