Crash after crash after crash after crash

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2014/03/17 17:13:24 (permalink)

Crash after crash after crash after crash

Rough day in Sonar land for me. :( Never had a problem with X3 - even when I recorded a 7 piece band recently with lots of plugs enabled. Today I've crashed non-stop.
 
So today I decided to put together all the different ideas I've had and it's not going well. I turned off ALL plugins accept the item sin the list below.
 
  • So first up, BFD3. I laid out a drum track in the Groove Editor and wrote this out as a MIDI into a Sonar track. Turned it into a groove clip and drug it out for a few minutes
  • Next up was recording a rhythm guitar in Amplitube. I am LOVING this plugin but I'm afraid it might be the stability problem.
  • Recorded another track with guitar for lead using Amplitube.
  • Recorded a bass track direct and using Amplitube for that
  • Another guitar - this time clean through Amplitube.
  • Now I'm trying to do keyboards into audio ins in Sonar.
 
I have been crashing, and it's getting worse and worse. The weird thing is, I'm getting it when I have the project stopped and I'm not doing ANYTHING. I might be tuning a guitar or something, and it just locks up. If I am playing the tracks or recording, it hasn't locked up yet. Very frustrating and very confusing. I've got 64bit Windows 7 with 16GB of RAM and a Mackie firewire interface. I've got my buffers rather low for the Amplitube latency and everything sounds good - no crackles. Again, it locks up when sitting IDLE, not when recording.
 
Any ideas? I LOVE this workflow and I think I could get very creative with it, but it just ain't work'n. :(
 
 
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    cowboydan
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    Re: Crash after crash after crash after crash 2014/03/17 17:21:36 (permalink)
    If you have the 64 bit double driver engine setting checked in preferences, maybe unchecking this may help.
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    Re: Crash after crash after crash after crash 2014/03/17 17:23:27 (permalink)
    Hmmm... lots of hits on Googling:
     
    amplitube crash site:forum.cakewalk.com
     
    You might want to check out some of the more recent posts for suggestions.

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    Re: Crash after crash after crash after crash 2014/03/17 17:59:54 (permalink)
    thanks guys. This got me thinking about drivers and I went and uninstalled ASIO4All and the driver for my Sonuus (neither of which were being used) and changed the setting to not share audio devices.
     
    So far so good...
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    Re: Crash after crash after crash after crash 2014/03/17 18:16:14 (permalink)
    crud. no problems when playing or recording, but leave the project opened and Sonar just locks up randomly. Not even stressing the CPU or coming close to maxing memory.
     
    What would cause a project to lock up Sonar when sitting completely idle?
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    Re: Crash after crash after crash after crash 2014/03/17 18:26:34 (permalink)
    What version of Amplitude are you running? Have you checked to make sure you have all of the updates? Craig made a comment in a thread linked above about Amplitude 2 being okay.
     
    An amp sim, if enabled, is running even with X3 "idle." I have never used Amplitude, but if that is indeed the culprit, what you may want to try is bouncing those tracks to new ones to embed Amplitude into the wav file. I do not freeze things often (another option available), so with a situation like yours I would be prone to bounce to new tracks and archive the original tracks (so they are there "in case" of modification later, but removed from being processed). It may be worth trying that just to verify if Amplitude is the true issue.

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    Re: Crash after crash after crash after crash 2014/03/17 20:20:42 (permalink)
    It may be one or more 32-bit plugins not playing nice in 64-bit Sonar, or possibly your Windows is not current in its maintenance, or perhaps an access violation, due to not launching the Sonar install with Run As Administrator, pr maybe a Sample Rate mismatch between Sonar and your audio interface, and possibly a few other things.
     
    1.  Do you have any 32-bit plugins loaded?
     
    2.  Is Windows up to date with maintenance?
     
    3.  Have you checked your Windows Event Viewer for recent errors?
     
    4.  Is there any sort of message when it crashes?  Mini-dump?
     
    5.  Do you happen to have any other audio applications running at the same time Sonar is running?
     
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    Re: Crash after crash after crash after crash 2014/03/17 23:40:25 (permalink)
    smallstonefan
    crud. no problems when playing or recording, but leave the project opened and Sonar just locks up randomly. Not even stressing the CPU or coming close to maxing memory.
     
    What would cause a project to lock up Sonar when sitting completely idle?


    Autosave every X minutes?
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    Re: Crash after crash after crash after crash 2014/03/17 23:53:07 (permalink)
    Graphics card or CPU throttling down ?
     
    I've had issues before with GPU's throttling down the clock speed when under no load.
     
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    Re: Crash after crash after crash after crash 2014/03/18 01:24:33 (permalink)
    OP says this in first post: "Never had a problem with X3 - even when I recorded a 7 piece band recently with lots of plugs enabled. Today I've crashed non-stop"...
     
    So the problem has started recently.  What changed?  I would troubleshoot keeping that in mind (If it's down to plugs, use process of elimination).

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    Re: Crash after crash after crash after crash 2014/03/18 07:23:53 (permalink)
    It's also possible that there is a corrupt file somewhere important. I'm not sure if a "save as", to a create a new instance of your project may help, but this has worked for me when a project has started crashing for no reason. I haven't been able to tell whether this is happening with only this project, or others as well, you don't specify.

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    Re: Crash after crash after crash after crash 2014/03/18 08:06:29 (permalink)
    have you tried starting a new project and replicating this ?
    or is it one project specific ?

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    Re: Crash after crash after crash after crash 2014/03/18 08:58:59 (permalink)
    Your best bet would be to open a support ticket with Cakewalk and send them your minidump. They'll be able to quickly identify which plugin caused your crash and you can proceed from there. 


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    Re: Crash after crash after crash after crash 2014/03/18 09:24:02 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the help everyone!
     
    I decided to dig in. Forced a few windows updates that hadn't taken place, updated my video driver, uninstalled some free VSTs I don't use, and did some trouble-shooting on Waves. I was having an issue adding C4 to a project. A Waves tech has been feeding me some things to try. Throughout all this I realized I had my 32bit VST folder in my scan as well as my 64bit VST folder (hence two Waveshell files). I don't think I actually use any 32bit VST files, so I removed that folder and rescanned.
     
    Project is running great (and Sonar is loading a lot faster), but I need to let it idle again tonight and see what happens.
     
    Again, thanks for all the pointers!
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    Re: Crash after crash after crash after crash 2014/03/18 10:08:40 (permalink)
    If it is freezing when idle, have you checked that you have turned all sleep options off on the usb devices that you need to stay active? If not, this could be your issue.
     

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    Re: Crash after crash after crash after crash 2014/03/18 10:16:54 (permalink)
    I have not checked that but I will, thanks!
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    Re: Crash after crash after crash after crash 2014/03/18 10:25:06 (permalink)
    That is USB Selective Suspend.  If you select the high-performance power plan, then edit it, expand the USB settings, you should see that in there somewhere.
     
    I also set my min CPU to 100%, so my CPU is always running at 100%.
     
    Lastly, 'Green' disk drives can cause problems due to something with the variable speed.
     
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    Re: Crash after crash after crash after crash 2014/03/18 11:10:22 (permalink)
    Make sure you have the latest, 64-bit version of Amplitube. Amplitube takes a lot of CPU. There have been a lot of optimizations starting with Version 3.7; I think the latest is 3.10.

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    Re: Crash after crash after crash after crash 2014/03/18 11:15:04 (permalink)
    if it matters the 64bit version I run is 3.11.2
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    Re: Crash after crash after crash after crash 2014/03/18 11:17:32 (permalink)
    Ditch ASIO4ALL if you haven't already. 

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