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Re: Creating a submix track: Pretty impressed with myself :O)
2014/06/13 12:13:47
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but maybe we could unlock this as a feature if we sign a pledge promising to use this power only for good.
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Re: Creating a submix track: Pretty impressed with myself :O)
2014/06/13 13:19:10
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This is why I really wish that Sonar would implement a fader and FX bin on track folders, or simply make track folders into buses. That would meet a lot of the desires that people have for buses.
While this doens't solve the problem, I use Take Lanes to do this when I want to apply an effect with a fader to a lot of tracks. Of course the big limitation is that the tracks have the limitations of take lanes, but if all the parts are the same (e.g., massive stacked vocals for choirs), it can work.
Yeah, unfortunately 95% of what I work with is either synth output or audio I need to heavily process with VSTs first. Doing that on a clip by clip basis is impractical so it has to be 1 track per instrument, which then means bussing everything. Ah well.
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Re: Creating a submix track: Pretty impressed with myself :O)
2014/06/13 13:54:48
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Cool work around and thanks for sharing it Ludwig! I would like to have the flexibility to send a track to a buss or another track. If the bakers could get this done in a future update it would be brilliant. I like the way the buss section is separated from the track section but I wouldn't be against some flexibility there too. my $.02
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Re: Creating a submix track: Pretty impressed with myself :O)
2014/06/13 14:58:24
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I always end up going external and using physical patching.
Can't escape going outside SONAR but VoiceMeeter still keeps everything ITB. Just installed and tested it.
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Re: Creating a submix track: Pretty impressed with myself :O)
2014/12/14 23:34:34
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☄ Helpfulby joel77 2015/01/20 22:35:13
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In addition to whether the plugin acting as a summing amp affects the sound, I wonder what happens if you try to "Freeze" the submixed track?
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Technically the plugin itself isn't doing anything. Sidechaining in SONAR internally uses a bus associated with each sidechain input. Its this bus that does the summing so that aspect is identical to the use of a regular SONAR bus - it handles single/double processing mixing etc. Freezing the track will NOT include the sidechain input here since freeze wasn't designed for that. There really isn't anything very much functionally different about having tracks send to other tracks compared to sending to buses. Its there in PT and people use it because its there and convenient. I'm not opposed to us having that functionality but there have been bigger fish to fry so far :)
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Re: Creating a submix track: Pretty impressed with myself :O)
2015/01/20 18:13:53
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
dcumpian
In addition to whether the plugin acting as a summing amp affects the sound, I wonder what happens if you try to "Freeze" the submixed track?
Regards,
Dan
Technically the plugin itself isn't doing anything. Sidechaining in SONAR internally uses a bus associated with each sidechain input. Its this bus that does the summing so that aspect is identical to the use of a regular SONAR bus - it handles single/double processing mixing etc.
Freezing the track will NOT include the sidechain input here since freeze wasn't designed for that.
There really isn't anything very much functionally different about having tracks send to other tracks compared to sending to buses. Its there in PT and people use it because its there and convenient. I'm not opposed to us having that functionality but there have been bigger fish to fry so far :)
What the to ability to rout a send to another track does for a lot of PT users is open up a means to parallel process a track and blend it back into the mix and have the track in a convenient spot. I usually send to an Aux which can be side by side the source track but routing to a regular audio track allows you to record the result to that track which substitutes for a freeze in PT. It might seem like a non-item to someone who hasn't had it available but when you get used to having it, it's like having your hands tied some times.
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Re: Creating a submix track: Pretty impressed with myself :O)
2015/01/20 20:52:18
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Re: Creating a submix track: Pretty impressed with myself :O)
2015/01/20 21:44:09
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Can't you do what the op was talking about by just bouncing the group of tracks as a submix to a new track? You can also bounce any sub to a track . I ask this in the spirit of learning,not to make light of your discovery. That is exactly how new things are created..
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Re: Creating a submix track: Pretty impressed with myself :O)
2015/01/20 22:08:18
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I have to agree with you on this one, Ludwig. Although this has been offered (side-chaining) in another context, it is certainly useful and even more versatile than using a bus for a submix. I've asked long ago if there were any "innovative" ideas on submixes, but the question went unanswered. Thanks for the perspective, Ludwig.
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Re: Creating a submix track: Pretty impressed with myself :O)
2015/01/20 22:12:15
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There really isn't anything very much functionally different about having tracks send to other tracks compared to sending to buses. Its there in PT and people use it because its there and convenient. I'm not opposed to us having that functionality but there have been bigger fish to fry so far :) Uuuuuugh! Noel, can you please make this happen for MIDI tracks and give them a real audio track in an upcoming SONAR update? That would be pretty cool too! Kind regards, Living Room Rocker
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Re: Creating a submix track: Pretty impressed with myself :O)
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Re: Creating a submix track: Pretty impressed with myself :O)
2015/01/21 00:30:19
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Hmmm. I guess I am just used to doing things a certain way. I like the way busses are right now. I'm with Karyn on this one. But I see a lot of people want to merge busses and track, blurring the distinction between the two. Perhaps if I think about it hard enough I might see value in that.
But if in a later update this happens, I wouldn't have a problem with it as long as I could still have it the way it is now as an option.
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Re: Creating a submix track: Pretty impressed with myself :O)
2015/01/21 00:37:53
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just free up the routing.
allow tracks to receive input from other tracks and allow buses to output to tracks.
from a GUI perspective it would allow you to place the tracks and buses in the same folder in track view and buses next to tracks in console view. Sometimes projects can get pretty big and this wold really help with managing the project especially at record (tracking) and mix level.
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Re: Creating a submix track: Pretty impressed with myself :O)
2015/01/21 00:56:53
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One advantage would be to record the track acting like a bus with out having a bus it out and back thru the interface.
Cool idea!
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Re: Creating a submix track: Pretty impressed with myself :O)
2015/01/21 01:55:44
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I just bounce to track. I am trying hard to understand what is so cool here. Bouncing to track or bus gets me this.
Mixing busses with tracks would make it harder for me to find my busses. To each their own though. It's never bad to have options. I just don't see how bouncing is any different than this routing trick.
But great that you are doing something you like.
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Re: Creating a submix track: Pretty impressed with myself :O)
2015/01/21 02:03:40
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One advantage would be to record the track acting like a bus with out having a bus it out and back thru the interface.
Cool idea!
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You mean like bouncing a submix to a new track? You never have to leave the interface doing that either and you still get your submix. I guess if you change the balance of the submix you would have to re-bounce and that could possibly become tiresome if you work that way. But in that case, I would just use a buss the way they are now. I suppose if I was bent on having busses next to my tracks I would see what is so exciting. But since I like my busses separate for organizing, I am not as excited as others are about that. I can see that it is just a matter of personal work flow. Some like this, some like that. No right or wrong, just taste. That's cool.
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Re: Creating a submix track: Pretty impressed with myself :O)
2015/01/21 02:07:20
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Hi Sylvan,
Yeah, it's really just a matter of preference for me. For example, right now I'm recording a Marshall with a 57 on the grill and an R84 about 18 inches away. It'd be really nice to route those to a track that sits right next to the tracks the clips are on and then put FX on that track. Now, functionally this isn't any different at all from routing those to a bus (and possibly bouncing), I just like the look and organization of it being right next to the tracks instead of in the bus section. From there I would take each of the multi-mic'd destination guitar tracks (because of course there's more than one guitar part) and route them all to a "E.Git" bus in the bus section. Same theory could apply to top and bottom snare mics, inside/outside kick mics etc.
I think the right idea here is to have buses and tracks go to the current mixer sections by default, but then allow them to be moved. That way folks who like things as-is aren't disrupted at all, but if you want to move things you can.
In any case, I think you're correct from a purely functional standpoint...you can do this stuff with busses currently, it's just a look/feel thing.
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Re: Creating a submix track: Pretty impressed with myself :O)
2015/01/21 03:00:26
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Well said Dean. I totally get it. It's truly just a personal preference thing. I wish you good times recording, editing, mixing, and mastering with SONAR.
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Re: Creating a submix track: Pretty impressed with myself :O)
2015/01/21 03:10:44
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I think the reason I really chimed in on this topic is because I was thinking of new or prospective SONAR users getting the wrong idea, that one cannot create submixes. A new or prospective user might be confused with someone's personal preference and core functionality. Busses work just fine, but you cannot set them right next to your tracks. That's all this boils down to in the end.
You know how easy misunderstandings can happen. Have a great evening 😊.
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Re: Creating a submix track: Pretty impressed with myself :O)
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Re: Creating a submix track: Pretty impressed with myself :O)
2015/01/21 11:23:02
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I want it in Track View, because that's where I spend 95% of the time. Having to monitor some instruments on their own audio track but other instruments down in the bus area is a hassle.
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Re: Creating a submix track: Pretty impressed with myself :O)
2015/01/21 12:11:12
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I think the reason I really chimed in on this topic is because I was thinking of new or prospective SONAR users getting the wrong idea, that one cannot create submixes. A new or prospective user might be confused with someone's personal preference and core functionality. Busses work just fine, but you cannot set them right next to your tracks. That's all this boils down to in the end.
You know how easy misunderstandings can happen. Have a great evening 😊.
Hi, Charles. Not to gang up here, but as previously mentioned, there are few functions lost with buses compared to tracks. I would like buses and tracks to share all functionality. Besides, since we cannot route a track or tracks to a single track (or multiple tracks) without using the ingenuity of side-chaining (I'd rather it be "native" as they say), using a bus cuts out those unshared functions. And that's just My Perspective here on 5 News. Now back to you at the station. Kind regards, Living Room Rocker
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