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2017/12/20 07:13:00 (permalink)

Cubase is genuinely impressing me...

...especially its midi implementation, which is first rate. I know it has its quirks -- like every other DAW out there -- and I'm sure there is a ton of improvements that could be made. But I'm enjoying using it, and throughout this two week demo process, I've been very productive with it. 
 
One thing that has impressed me, in particular: when it comes to running synths, Cubase seems way more efficient than any other DAW I've tried. I can pile on more synths in Cubase without freezing or rendering tracks than I ever could in Sonar or Studio One. 
 
Is anyone else finding this to be the case?

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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/20 08:47:39 (permalink)
I took the plunge and bought Cubase 9 Pro, and I'm very impressed so far. I recently had a health scare so haven't been as busy as I'd like with it, but I agree with you Amicus, it's very engine friendly. I like the look too and it's undockable panes. The built in effects and instruments are cool too.

The only gripe I have is the bloody e-licencer. I have my studio computer, but also take a laptop or with me. Having to remember that key is annoying!

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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/20 12:59:06 (permalink)
I too went to Cubase. Sadly my PC is broken at the moment but I’ve been checking out a lot of the online videos. I’m impressed by the Steinberg video efforts on YouTube. Very high quality and the program looks great. Can’t wait to really get into it.

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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/20 13:23:45 (permalink)
Me too - I only do audio recording + VST instruments (mostly AD2, Kontakt, East West), no synths,  and I'm just feeling my way without the manual and following the rookie questions now appearing on the Cubase forum. (I usually find manuals tend to tell you what menu items do, rather than explain specific processes). So I haven't done anything too demanding. Mostly it's a case of getting the mind-set of the workflow, and that's fairly similar to Sonar.
 
I've redefined a load of keyboard shortcuts. Cubase seems to have a a great reliance on remembering the difference between ctrl, shift and alt keys for shortcuts. I use PRV a lot for VST instruments and I miss the smart (star) tool Sonar had.
 
There's also the audio recording over/following an existing audio take issue - that seems to be getting some airplay from Sonar refugees on the Cubase forum. There's already a feature request submitted for a Sonar approach to that;  even so, it's not a huge issue.
 
I do enjoy using Cubase, and even the dongle doesn't really matter.  If I'd invested that amount of technical development, I'd want to protect it too. 
 
Sir William - I hope the health scare works out well. 
Mike - I hope the PC gets sorted.
 
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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/20 13:27:17 (permalink)
p.s. - at least learning Cubase is taking my mind of the Ashes series at the moment. Your team's really taken us to the cleaners this time, Mike!
 
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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/20 13:35:23 (permalink)
Cubase was my choice too and yes I think its pretty impressive and certainly proving some of my misconceptions wrong. Still finding my way around and learning how to do things. Setting up my Novation Launch Control was a lot easier than Sonar, once I stopped and read the manual, and last night I configured the Control Room. Mixed feelings on this as part of me thinks its a bit much for a small setup like mine but on the other hand it does seem to simplify a few things and expand some options for what is really is a one off task.
 
I quickly formed the opinion that neither Sonar or Cakewalk were better it's just that where they are different they seem to be very different. Definitely interesting to see some of the different choices each has made over the years especially on third party integration. 

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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/20 13:36:54 (permalink)
Thanks jdf. I had a minor stroke, but all is well. I'll be back in the saddle after the holidays.

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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/20 13:44:56 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jerrydf 2017/12/20 19:24:40
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... I'm just feeling my way without the manual and following the rookie questions now appearing on the Cubase forum. (I usually find manuals tend to tell you what menu items do, rather than explain specific processes). So I haven't done anything too demanding. Mostly it's a case of getting the mind-set of the workflow, and that's fairly similar to Sonar.
 
 ...
 
 



This book has been recommended elsewhere as a learning aid:
 
http://www.lulu.com/shop/darren-jones/the-complete-guide-to-music-technology-using-cubase-9/paperback/product-23048745.html  
 
They have a 20% discount advertised for the current version.
 
Note that an update for Cubase 9.5 is being published next month so personally I'm trying to figure out whether to wait or get it earlier and svne a few £s.
 
PS - please don't mention the cricket...
post edited by anydmusic - 2017/12/20 14:17:05

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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/20 14:26:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bodhi65 2017/12/21 12:11:39
I'm trying out the demo, tube, and while I was initially leaning toward purchasing it, after getting the Magix deal with Samplitude I'm kind of on the fence to add another. 
 
While I do prefer the superior MIDI capabilities of Cubase, there are just certain things I find totally unintuitive. For example, I can't for the life of me figure out how to get rid of the the areas of the screen I don't want to see (i.e., the mix sections, the VST sections, etc. I Sonar I can just "roll them off" to the side. I can't figure out how to do that in Cubase. Another thing is the learning curve for setting up audio inputs. I still can't figure out how to add more than "Input 1 and 2" for my audio card. Maybe this is the Studio set up thing?
 
Also, one main reason I wanted to get it was because, like Sonar, it has a "search and replace" style Event filter. But the "Logical Editor" Cubase uses is completely imcomprehensible to me. Yes, I could spend hours learning its language, but I just don't have the time to watch videos and reading manuals to learning how to set up relatively straightforward things.
 
I think somewhere in Cubase there is an absolutely fantastically powerful DAW stuck inside a Gordian knot of unintuive and complicated GUI programming. 
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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/20 14:36:18 (permalink)
I have bought Cubase 9.5 pro on the crossgrade deal as it looks like it will best meet my requirements.

So far I have only set it up and watched a few videos. I will start to learn it after the holidays. There are some impressive features I want to get to grips with.

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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/20 14:37:03 (permalink)
Hi Raisindot. Go to the top right hand corner of the screen. There's a little icon you can use to turn off the zones in Cubase. HTH

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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/20 14:38:01 (permalink)
Hi Raisindot. Go to the top right hand corner of the screen. There's a little icon you can use to turn off the zones in Cubase. HTH

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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/20 16:20:21 (permalink)
The audio setup in Cubase works that for each in and out on your Interface you can either add them in Stereo busses two at a time, or mono busses one at a time, or both.  You can then type in a custom name for your setup and save it as a preset.  It's different than a lot of other DAW's I've seen, but let's say you have an 8x8 audio interface and you are only seeing stereo bus 1 input 1 and 2, you just need to hit the Add stereo buss 3 more times and add stereo pairs 3/4, 5/6, 7/8  and/or add mono bus 1 - input 1, mono bus 2 - input 2, etc.  just  keep adding mono buses to add the devices.  Same thing on the output tab, you add busses for the number of outs, either in stereo or mono, or both.  it's tedious at first, but save your preset, so you can recall it at any time.
 
And for the "zones" as Cubase calls them, just do as Sir William said, the 3 icons in the upper right hand corner.  One confusing thing that I found is the mix zone doesn't detach, you just hit F3 to bring up a separate mixer pane.  So you can actually have a mixer pane and the mixer zone up at the same time, which is actually kind of cool if you run two monitors and could come in handy.

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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/20 17:29:05 (permalink)
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Hi Raisindot. Go to the top right hand corner of the screen. There's a little icon you can use to turn off the zones in Cubase. HTH


The "X"??

(Sorry, couldn't resist)

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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/20 17:53:45 (permalink)
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Hi Raisindot. Go to the top right hand corner of the screen. There's a little icon you can use to turn off the zones in Cubase. HTH


The "X"??

(Sorry, couldn't resist)


😂😂 d'oh!!

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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/20 18:10:12 (permalink)
Someone pls remind me when the Cubase special offer ends? (My apologies..)
I'm was planning on getting the EV 15" PLX I believe, powered monitor about 449.00 but don't want to miss the Cubase offer. I think I'm sold on Cubase.....but wife may not appreciate both right now. She's great about these things but at Christmas it may not be a great thing....😊

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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/20 18:15:21 (permalink)
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Someone pls remind me when the Cubase special offer ends? (My apologies..)
I'm was planning on getting the EV 15" PLX I believe, powered monitor about 449.00 but don't want to miss the Cubase offer. I think I'm sold on Cubase.....but wife may not appreciate both right now. She's great about these things but at Christmas it may not be a great thing....😊

The end of the year so 31st December...

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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/20 19:01:28 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jerrydf 2017/12/20 19:25:11
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I use PRV a lot for VST instruments and I miss the smart (star) tool Sonar had.
 
jdf



If you right-click a menu pops up. That's sorta their smart tool. I did read on the Cubase forums that they are going to get a smart tool. Didn't say when.
 
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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/20 19:27:23 (permalink)
Thanks for the book recommendation, Andy, seems like a must-get.
Brian - yes I found the right click menu, it's just not quite as convenient at Sonar's. It's so near that I feel lazy in admitting it, but it's just that right-wrist fine control to select the appropriate tool.
 
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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/20 19:29:16 (permalink)
Oh I agree, but it's better than having to move the mouse all over the place. 

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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/20 20:11:04 (permalink)
Nice to see some newer user thoughts on Cubase.  I've not been able to give advice from that perspective for quite some time since I've been using it and it has been my main DAW choice for tracking and composing for a very very long time.  I can see how some things may be counter intuitive for newer users, that's a fair assessment IMHO.
 
The audio setup is something I really like in Cubase - once you get a handle on it, that is.  It is quite useful for me as I've set up three MR816 interfaces daisy-chained so having some flexibility in handling just the 24 channels of analog in and out would otherwise be a chore even with the nice integration they've built in.  This is also why I like Control Room quite a bit but feel that it can be a bit much for some setups as mentioned above and can be a bit of a bear to set up initially.   It is indeed great if you record groups and need talkback and several cue mixes, etc for sure.
 
I did just start using v9 though, I wonder if I'd benefit much from reading that book.  At that price it might not be a bad idea to pick it up regardless, perhaps when I get the odd helper in here (rare, and usually my daughter who doesn't like this side of the recording process anyway so she's a resistant teenager throughout) it could help me teach them how to do things in a way that is easily understood - or in a way I could send them off to read while I do other things
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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/20 20:58:31 (permalink)
Cubase has track setups which is like, but even more extensive than sonar's track templates... it really is a time saver and creative flow accelerator.  Haven't set up my new studio yet but am really enjoying learning about this DAW and am quite impressed.  

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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/20 21:08:25 (permalink)
Something else that's nice with Cubase is GPU accelerated UI. Doesn't seem like it should matter much, but it really makes things look and feel smoother. Just helps the overall thing feel more responsive.
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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/20 21:55:10 (permalink)
jerrydf
Thanks for the book recommendation, Andy, seems like a must-get.
Brian - yes I found the right click menu, it's just not quite as convenient at Sonar's. It's so near that I feel lazy in admitting it, but it's just that right-wrist fine control to select the appropriate tool.
 
jdf
 


After watching the 9.5 What's New videos for second time I decided to get the current version 9 book so ordered today. It's supposed to be one used in an A Level course here in the UK to teach recording minus some of the content.
 
I'm expecting it to arrive after Christmas so will post more about it once I have had a chance to check it out.

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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/20 23:27:26 (permalink)
Today Cubase is not producing any sound. Did all the normal checks but nothing. All other DAWs work.
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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/20 23:36:42 (permalink)
 
Andy said -
 
I'm expecting it to arrive after Christmas so will post more about it once I have had a chance to check it out.


Thanks Andy
Jerry
 
Edit - sorry - I've just spotted that Andymusic  is actually Graham.
 
Cheers Graham
Jerry
 
 

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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/21 02:51:57 (permalink)
I also got Cubase 9.5, just to start learning it while gradually transitioning from Sonar Platinum.
I really do like a lot of the features, but being such a long time Cakewalk user, I find myself trying to make it behave just like Sonar.
 
Firstly, I programmed all my FAV Sonar keyboard shortcuts, so I can keep a similar workflow that I've been accustomed to. Then, I found a way to import track stems from a few Sonar projects, in order to learn on the fly.
 
It's going well, but there are a few things that really bug me about Cubase that I haven't figured out yet:
 
How do you remove, or even replace VST instruments ?
Also, trying to clean up things . . . there are channels (from a Cubase template) that I want to remove.
I have spent a lot of time studying this, but can't find any menus where these can be removed.
 
I've attempted to integrate into the Cubase forum, but it's kind of stiff compared to the good old Sonar forum, where creativity, ideas and opinions flow so freely.

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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/21 09:30:00 (permalink)
noynekker
 
How do you remove, or even replace VST instruments ?
Also, trying to clean up things . . . there are channels (from a Cubase template) that I want to remove.
I have spent a lot of time studying this, but can't find any menus where these can be removed.
 
I've attempted to integrate into the Cubase forum, but it's kind of stiff compared to the good old Sonar forum, where creativity, ideas and opinions flow so freely.




Remove or exchange instruments: You can click in the VSTi-Rack on the Instrument (let's say Halion Sonic SE) and a pop up appear. Here you can choose either a different instrument or "non" which than removes it.
Or you delete the Instrument track. Deleting tracks you do easily with "right click" on the track/channel and choose out of the pop up "delete track".
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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/21 10:37:19 (permalink)
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Andy said -
 
I'm expecting it to arrive after Christmas so will post more about it once I have had a chance to check it out.


Thanks Andy
Jerry
 
Edit - sorry - I've just spotted that Andymusic  is actually Graham.
 
Cheers Graham
Jerry
 
 


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Re: Cubase is genuinely impressing me... 2017/12/21 11:49:05 (permalink)
Greg who does Cubase live and tutorials on YouTube is one of Cubases largest assets. It reminds of the good old days of cakewalk.. le sigh...

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